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This Doughnut can save humanity — and the planet. For real.

The UN knows it. Pope Francis knows it. And major cities like Amsterdam, Portland, and Glasgow have already put “Doughnut Economics” at the center of their economic strategy.

Before you let the word “economics” scare you away, here’s the deal.

Kate Raworth, a renegade economist I’ve been obsessed with for years, redrew the picture of economic success in her internationally best-selling book, Doughnut Economics: Seven Ways to Think Like a 21st-Century Economist. It’s so simple, intuitive, and profound, you’ll think, “DUH! Why didn’t we see this before!?!”

For hundreds of years western economics has touted that, “growth equals progress!”

But that assumption isn’t just wrong — it’s dangerous.

Don't be an optimist. Don't be a pessimist. Be in action. @KateRaworth Click To Tweet

Doughnut Economics puts a new goal at the center. It’s a success model that focuses on human thriving without depleting our spirits or destroying the earth that sustains us.

And it may be the most world-changing idea I’ve heard in my lifetime.

Watch now and learn:

  • What economics even means — and why you should care.
  • The origin of burnout, consumer marketing, and “retail therapy.”
  • Why Kate hid her world-changing idea in her bottom drawer.
  • The #1 factor that influences human behavior.
  • How to apply Doughnut Economics in your home and community.

If you ever get discouraged or feel hopeless about the future of our planet, watch this MarieTV all the way through. You’ll see why.

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DIVE DEEPER: Here’s why big dreams aren’t necessarily better dreams, plus 3 ways you can change the world right now.

Now you’ve made it to my favorite part of MarieTV Tuesday. It’s time to turn your insights into action!

As Kate says, “Don’t be an optimist. Don’t be a pessimist. Be in action.”

So in a comment below, please answer these two questions as honestly and thoroughly as possible:

  • What’s one insight, idea, or aha you had from this conversation?
  • How can you apply this idea to your life, community, or business? Get practical here!

Ideas really can and do change the world — when we take action on them. And Doughnut Economics is the most world-changing idea I’ve come across in a loooong time.

Until next time, stay on your game and keep going for your dreams!

XO

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  1. Thank you so much! This IS the diagram I’ve been missing! What a great idea to save the planet and keep the people in it too.
    I work away at my business and it creates economic stability (it artfully maintains a few households) in my community here in Colombia. Those are my goals: economic justice and meaning. I intuitively felt that it fit into the bigger picture of planetary sustainability but I couldn’t explain how.
    I’m SO INSPIRED!!! Thanks for this extra fuel. Lightbulbs are just bursting right now. I really love working on my little piece of the puzzle and it feels so good to see where it fits in the big picture.

    • teamforleo

      WOOO! Go Emily! Also know that it is truly inspiring for us to hear the work you are dedicating your life and career to. Thank you for sharing! -Jeremy, Team Forleo

      • Emily Maher

        Thanks Jeremy! In Colombia it would be roscon economics. 🙂 yummmmm

  2. It takes in during life challenges in order to have a greater spiritual understanding about life and why certain things happen.

  3. Great episode! Kate Raworth is inspiring. She’s opened my eyes and ears to a problem that I didn’t quite understand with such simplicity. The Doughnut 🍩 is brilliant. I find it interesting that intuitively this model makes my body feel good and excited to make change. Vs the growth model which instantly brings up feelings of burnout. This is powerful work. I will be doing more research and exploring ways in which I can take action — in my home, business and community. Thank you for having Late on your show. Brilliant episode.

    • teamforleo

      Hi Tasha! We’re so glad you enjoyed this episode. Thanks for being a part of the community! -Jeremy, Team Forleo

  4. JoAnn Janke

    2 of my nieces are extremely environmentally conscious. I am sharing this episode with them. I also gifted my 24 year old niece with a copy of Everything is Figureoutable. She is trying to find her path and I knew she would relate to Marie’s story. Can’t wait to see what she discovers !

  5. Janelle

    I got so excited when I saw Kate!!! I’m currently reading her book and have been obsessing over her ideas since last year. I’m aiming to finish the book before the year ends because I want to align my goals and plans for 2022 with the Doughnut! “Don’t be optimistic if it makes you relax. Don’t be pessimistic if it makes you give up. Be in action.” This is the exact motivation and reminder I need to keep believing in my cause and to strive to live better. Super inspiring. Thank you so much!

    • teamforleo

      Janelle, we’re so glad the stars aligned while you’re in the process of reading Kate’s book! Thanks for stopping by! -Jeremy, Team Forleo

  6. Very inspiring episode, thank you Kate and Marie. The one key thing I’m taking from this is that instead of trying to write a book about my ideas, I can DRAW a book about my ideas. Because, I’ve been finding it hard to verbally explain how I’ve been able to make accurate long range weather forecasts, weeks ahead of the Meteorological Office’s £33 million supercomputer, which keep coming true. I want this to be accessible for all, so, better to draw it. Watch this space!!!

  7. Katrine Floegel

    Great conversation! I really like the encouragement to change towards global sustainable living environmentally as well as socially! So important!!! I wanted to offer an extrapolation from the donut model- what if climate change is not as proposed? What if there is a bigger picture which includes the cycles of the earth’s climate?? Think about the weather in the 70’s, then 80’s etc and how it circles back. Are we affecting it? Yes. Can we have an impact on change? Yes. But let’s not buy into the Climate Change Model as the only concept to consider. The earth is like the human body: super resilient as well as super fragile but all the time adapting to new changes-organic and dynamic if you will. We just need to nurture it well and it will serve us much longer than it has been given credit to be able to do. Thanks Marie!

  8. Elizabeth

    So inspiring, am leaving here to immediately go onto the doughnut economics.org webpage…. Thanks you for bringing such inspirational people on to your show!! Kate was not the first… Loved it!

  9. T Diaz

    This is my very. favorite. Marie. TV. EVER! I’d never heard of Kate Raeworth, and I am just floored with how well she articulates this vision of a new economics. She has such a beautiful energy about her, and I can’t wait to watch her TED talk. Thank you for interviewing her on Marie TV!

    • teamforleo

      Hi there T,

      We’re so glad you loved this episode. We were so honored to talk with her and share her message out in the world. Sending you all the best! – Monauar, Team Forleo

  10. Barbara Spikes

    I love that she said just get into action. I am guilty of talking the talk. But as one of my friend’s said, it’s time to walk the walk. Just brilliant. My plan is to help a neighbor feed her goats with “extras” from my house. A little hassle since I can’t just put things in the garbage like I have. But all around better. I’m going to the website to see what it’s about. Thanks as always Team Forleo. Barbara

    • teamforleo

      Hi Barbara,

      We love your action step! We’re sure that your neighbor’s goats will be thrilled 🙂 We’re rooting for you! – Monauar, Team Forleo

  11. Thanks so much for sharing the doughnut – this is everything that has been on my mind as well. Growth cannot be sustainable as it currently is.

  12. I really love this discussion because it hits on an issue I’ve been struggling with for more than a decade. I’ve long questioned the “bigger is better,” “if you’re not growing your dying” paradigm.

    I’ve been supporting myself/my family (in various businesses) for more than 30 years and never saw endless income growth as the goal. That’s been challenging because all the “gurus” endlessly talk about “crushing it” and brag about their millions in sales or followings. I found myself always thinking, “what for?” Once you’ve made enough money to sustain yourself, why do you need more (except to give it away to others)?

    Also, going into client’s homes as a home stager and designer, I’ve been struck by how almost everyone is drowning in their excess possessions. Yet, they keep shopping.

    “Less is more” has always appealed to me.

    I don’t understand why we continue to glamorize conspicuous consumption while personal debt levels climb ever higher. And I’ve always thought “where does this end?”

    So happy to discover Kate’s ideas. I too studied economics back in the day and often thought the concepts ignored so much of what is happening in the real world.

    Thanks Marie for introducing us to this book and these ideas!

    • I respect and resonate with your perspective… and it strikes me how odd and distorted it is that the dominant path we’ve been on seems to be exacerbating economic divides.

      That is, we have individuals and group and nations with either far too much materially OR far too little, rather than a more equitable distribution that supports thriving for all.

      It’s just bizarre and kind of tragic that both starvation / food deficits and excessive food waste can exist at the same time, and likewise, as you point out – people who are ‘drowning in excess’ (sometimes even renting storage for belonging they can’t fit or store at home!!!) while others are denied the most essential and basic needs.

      As I type to you, it makes me think about how much of our humanity can be restored as we move towards realizing doughnut economies and models or working and living – one of true belonging and responsibility to one another and our living home.

      Anyway, thank you for sharing and cheering on your instincts and wisdom!

      • You bring up a good point re: the haves vs have nots… I was enjoying the video up to the point where she told about destroying her perfectly serviceable car,, just bc she no longer needed it.. WHAT WASTE !! Why not donate it to someone who could really use it ?! Like it or not, there is a whole rest of the world out there and MANY NEED vehicles – especially the more suburban and rural you get.
        It just kinda put a whole damper on the rest of it for me… and highlighted the attitude of many climate change fueled do-gooders re: can’t see how the policies, etc can cause more like harm than just inconvenience

    • teamforleo

      Hi Debra,

      You bring up a lot of great points. There’s some reframing around consumption, business, and economics that we’re going to have to explore and work on. We can do this! – Monauar, Team Forleo

  13. Paul M Bauer

    Excellent. Next can you interview Stephanie Kelton, author of The Deficit Myth?

    • teamforleo

      Thanks for sharing that suggestion with us, Paul! – Heather

  14. I have appreciated Kate and her model / ideas for a while – and I cherished this conversation.

    I so resonate with the framing that endless growth is not the goal – but THRIVING (through justice and equitable sustainability for Mama Earth, for all species and life forms, including humanity) is what we deserve to work towards.

    It’s such a mind-blowing shift in metrics!!! (Growth > thriving)

    I also loved the notion of collective evolution and that humanity is now needing to scale ‘economy’ to management of the ultimate, universal home for all.

    Finally, this talk also sparked insights and connections for my first book – I’m so excited to add Kate and her resources to my rough notes, so thank you for inspiring synergistic ideas.

    YES to each of us exerting our own little influence and contribution, and not underestimating any step of committed action.

    Many, many thanks.

    • teamforleo

      Hi Nicola,

      These shifts of thought are really simple but super powerful. We loved the change in metrics from Growing to Thriving too. We’re so honored that this interview sparked insights for your first book. Keep up the great work. Happy writing! – Monauar, Team Forleo

  15. A big thank you for sharing this wonderful conversation.

  16. I love how adding doughnut helps take away the fear of economics – language really does shape our entire world! And learning about the roots of words and how much we have changed the meaning of words through our common use is so interesting as a reflection of our culture.
    I was also thinking about that song from Frozen II telling us to “just do the next right thing” when thinking about the small steps we can all take to make a difference.
    Technically everything I do feels small, but I know it adds up across a lifetime – be that my writing, coaching, recycling or helping someone in the street find their way.

    • teamforleo

      Hi there Katy-Rose,

      You’re so right! You can’t be scared of economics if it also involves doughnuts right? 🙂 Every action, whether big or small, always count. No effort ever goes to waste. All the best! – Monauar, Team Forleo

  17. Finally, Thank You!
    I have missed the environmental consciousness coming out of such highly influential personalities as Marie, Brendon, Amy and Tony on our view of the digital business world, who at least in my world and surroundings inspire many people.
    “Achieve your dreams” is a strong pitfall sentence when it makes people work extremely hard to get rich for themselves and their families, while contributing to push the limitations for our sustainability as a human race on this planet.
    What does a simple life financially and materialistically full of vibrancy, meaning, love and contribution look like? Can you reach it directly, without first having to go through the developmental stage of wealth, prosperity, competition, fame and eternal growth? We lack role models for this in the public sphere.
    This is an inspiring step. Thank you!
    (I am working hard together with a few colleagues to make the green shift a central part of our new business, trying to bring my part to the table.)

    • teamforleo

      Hi there Sonia!

      These are great questions you bring up! These are things we’ve been pondering too and were so glad to have Kate sharing her insights with us. We’re so glad to hear that you’re working to make a green shift an essential part of your new business. We’re rooting for you! – Monauar, Team Forleo

  18. Michael Mills

    Welfare state …Communes…Growth = Health ,,, works for the the UN …try running a business …read Ayn Rand …we suffer from crony capitalism ….the is suffering from ‘fake money’ ..printed by governments …should we stop the growth of technology …should we stop the growth of inventions …controlled growth is achieved by a free economy ..free from government regulation… free from fake money …our money needs to be based on GOLD ..in decentralized privately owned banks ..

    Cells in your body needs to grow ..else you die ..problem is uncontrolled growth

    Systems based on need are always government controlled ..this lay is a communist

    Who is going to decide who gets their needs met ..a totalitarian government …this is communism

    who is going to control the climate …the community …the collective …. economies grow healthily when the growth is earned by production not the unearned government printing press

    Gold is produced

    An economy that is not growing is headed for death

    How can you take this as real …we replace freedom with control

    Belonging and connection is an individual right not to be determined by the government

    Climate control is a weapon of Marxism

    Needs based systems lead to slavery and poverty …this is total rubbish and as a business person I thought you would realise you get paid for your ability not your need

    a free society

  19. George

    The best way to save our planet is to go Vegan! With being Vegan comes so many other truths like caring for animals, caring for our planet and caring for others.

  20. Michael Mills

    You have no car! You have lost some of your freedom.. knock yourself out …back to the primitive ..caves and candles
    I choose to have a car and a house and power and I want to keep my wealth not have it redistributed

    What have you produced?
    What business have you run?

    Change is headed to free market capitalism .. not crony capitalism…not feudal over lords or mystics … Reason and rational self interest …any problems with air will be solved by science …my biggest insight is that Maree should stick to business expertise as she has put her foot in her mouth

  21. Nora

    Wow wow I loved this conversation! I have been following Kate’s work for a while but I never get tired of listening to her. You were wonderful Marie as always thank you for bringing these beautiful conversations.

  22. I too studied economics at tertiary level. It was interesting at the time, and I got great marks in it; yet the education was quite shallow at best. Case in point, and it makes zero sense…why do negative environmental effects such as oil spills add to the GDP? Take Bhutan’s example, and have Gross National Happiness instead. The aim is to grow, yet constant economic growth hampers the environment and people’s mental health. The pandemic is flipping consumerism on its head. The constant money printing is not healthy either.

  23. Oleg Yakuba

    Amazing article! Love it! com

  24. Thank you both!
    I’ve been looking for a structure to follow to help make my “leave the planet better than I found it” goal a reality. This is an excellent base! Thanks!

  25. Wow, Thank you both. This is a good conversation to start 2022. hehe

  26. Hi Marie,

    What a great share! I really loved learning about Doughnut Economics, and I think everyone should too. It was such a great resource, and I gained a lot of insights from this. I have seen many people classify themselves as optimist or pessimist, but being in action sounds so much better. I think Doughnut Economics is a great idea, and I am so thankful that you shared it with us. It was amazing, and I will definitely let others know about this as well.

    • teamforleo

      Hi John,

      So glad you enjoyed this episode and learning about Doughnut Economics! More importantly, thank you for being a part of our community and sharing your feedback.
      -Antoinette, Team Forleo

  27. This Marie TV episode left me feeling emotionally charged and passionately joining team Doughnut. I was crying throughout this interview. It’s my first time hearing about Kate Raworth and her concept of Doughnut Economics. Wow! I studied Environmental Studies in college and continuously got frustrated and defeated about our Global environmental crisis. I wish I could have taken a class with the Doughnut Economic theory at its theme. I believe Kate will change the way humans view economics, policy, and growth around the world. I’m so grateful for this Marie TV Episode. Amazing! I’m feeling so inspired into action!

    • teamforleo

      Hi Jayleen, thanks for sharing! Kate’s theory of economics is certainly inspiring and refreshing to see, and we were thrilled to have her join. We’re so grateful to have you check it out. -Jeremy, Team Forleo

  28. The only conversation that truly matters right now. Thank you for bringing Kate’s genius to us Marie!

    • teamforleo

      Sara, we’re so happy to hear you enjoyed this conversation with Kate. It’s one of our favorites for sure! Thanks for stopping by! – Jeremy, Team Forleo

  29. It is great when more and more people are trying to save the planet and shift their lives towards sustainability goals. Even B2B world is now trying to go paperless through digital transformation, paperless documentation. Only by following this path we are able to prevent environmental disasters to save our children’s well-being, cause overall humanity is only a part of the enormous Earth ecosystem.

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