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Ever feel helpless about our collective problems? With everything going on in our world today, it’s easy to feel overwhelmed and powerless. In fact, over the holidays I read a book that — at first — made me mad as hell.

I was on an airplane and had to practice being a responsible adult and not throw the damn thing against the wall. Those first 120 pages unleashed a fiery mix of devastation, outrage, and bewilderment. (Picture me SMH and making wild hand movements.)

Thankfully around page 122, things turned around. My heartbreak transformed into hope.

The book is called Tightrope: Americans Reaching for Hope, and is written by two Pulitzer prize-winning journalists, Nicholas Kristof and Sheryl WuDunn. It’s riveting and devastating and inspiring. 

Nick and Sheryl have written about lots of humanitarian crises during their career, but Tightrope is about the problems facing the American working class. Those same problems, by the way, are appearing across our planet.

Ultimately, Tightrope offers clear steps for how everyday people like you and me can help create a more equitable, just world. Because as Nick and Sheryl share,

“A country cannot reach its potential when so many of its citizens are not reaching theirs.”

A country cannot reach its potential when so many of its citizens are not reaching theirs. @NickKristof & @WuDunn Click To Tweet

They are my guests today on The Marie Forleo Podcast because rather than just highlighting the heartbreaking issues — they share cost-effective, research-based solutions that move us toward positive, collective outcomes. 

Like their other books, A Path Appears and Half the Sky, Tightrope will inspire you to take more action to help those in need — both personally and collectively. 

If you’ve ever wondered how you can play a part in helping our world heal, this episode is for you.

You’ll be reminded that you’re more powerful than you think and that, together, we do have the ability to solve some of our biggest, most devastating collective issues.

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Audio excerpted courtesy Penguin Random House Audio from TIGHTROPE
by Nicholas D. Kristof and Sheryl WuDunn, read by Jennifer Garner.

Now we’d love to hear from you. What’s the biggest insight you received from this conversation? Did you feel inspired to take a specific action? Let me know in the comments below.

Share as much detail as you can. Hundreds of thousands of souls come here for insight and inspiration. Your story may be just what someone needs to see things from a fresh perspective. Important: please share your thoughts and ideas directly in the comments. Links to other posts, videos, etc. may be removed.

You were born with an innate power to create change, both in your life and in the lives of others.

Your voice matters.

Your actions matter. 

No matter how dark and difficult things get, don’t look away. Allow your kindness and compassion to light the way.  

With SO much love ❤️,


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  1. Thank you Marie for inviting this bright couple again.
    I try to take the time to listen to people’s stories and struggle.
    For me it starts at the bakery (yes I’m French and my baker’s plays a social role in the neighborhood: she knows who’s is sick, grieving, looking for a job, etc. and introduced us to each other!).
    We are losing social connection and not trusting each other anymore. I’ve been traveling for a few years now and humans are a very generous and caring species.
    So instead of watching the news, I chat with my neighbors and complete strangers.
    Another thing is that I’m less intimidated to share my story of burn-out recovery with people who are battling it at the moment. We need each other’s support.
    I might also make the time to go back to high schools where I’ve shared my traveling experience in the past. There was always a great exchange with the students.
    Thanks for the great episode again.
    Will look up iMentor too 🙂

    • Revital

      Perrine, Good for you! I too speak with my neighbors and strangers all the time. Sometimes I get strange looks from the strangers when I start a conversation while waiting in line…People are suspicious of something we used to do so naturally. I think if we just talk with each other, we will be more connected, and less fearful. Keep it up. Blessings.

      • You too Revital.
        Indeed people might be suspicious but usually it doesn’t last for long 😉

  2. Thank you for sharing this!

  3. Chinwe

    Nice one

  4. I love how enthusiastic these people are, and some of their ideas on how to change thing’s.
    The issue this country had are getting worse every day, and so many people just don’t seem to care. People get fired for giving children food in our schools. I hope that people really do get involved in helping others, because as someone who has lived on the streets I know how hard it is to get out of those situations, and yes housing is a huge problem.

  5. I have every plans to move forward but the capital to start the business is the problem.In Ghana its very very difficult even to start something small.

  6. I found their first two books a huge inspiration to social justice action for me, and I’m so glad you brought awareness to this next one. It’s on my reading list! Thank you for not shying away from the hard stuff, Marie!

    • Renee – Team Forleo

      Thank you so much, Celeste! So glad you enjoyed this episode, and we agree –– they’re pretty inspiring and we were honored to have them on the Podcast. Thank you for being in our world, Celeste!

  7. Great job, Marie. LOVE this episode. What screamed at me was solving these issues. This is not male bashing (I love men) but let’s look at reality. Most of the globe and certainly the US is ruled by men. Patriarchy dominates. And we can see the results. So, I would suggest that they don’t have the answers. Studies show that when women get involved or are included, outcomes are very different. Businesses that have women in positions of authority, in decision-making positions are businesses that are more profitable and have healthier employees. Not a coincidence. Women tend to make children and health priorities. We are at a tipping point; now is the time to support women in politics, women in business, women entrepreneurs, more women everywhere.

    • I so agree with you Deborah. Things have changed and it’s now time to try a different approach! We need a balance between men and female, we need underrepresented groups to be heard and be part of decisions as well. We need cooperation vs. competition.
      Let’s do this!!

  8. YES!!!! One person, with passion, dedication, and drive can make all the difference in the world. As a former detective specializing in domestic violence, stalking, sexual assault, and threat assessment and management, I retired to start my own business focusing on these issues because the pace of change needed to intensify. There are too many examples of “why” around us to list. But there are also dedicated, devoted, energetic change makers around all of us, as well. People who change lives one at a time and who change the world in great, sweeping leaps. There are opportunities around all of us to practice kindness, courage, and connection. That is why we started our volunteer thought leaders’ group “Changemaker” to discuss, strategize, and support how each person will be taking on “the way it has always been.” THANK YOU for being the message of change and connection. Well done!!

  9. Jet

    Nicholas K.: I would emphasize jobs. I think that one mistake that the US made, and I count myself as fairly liberal, and I think it’s a blind spot that liberals have is that, we tend to see unemployment in terms of economic metrics, and we look at the income lost and think how we can compensate for that with unemployment compensation or with disability, whatever. And one of the things that I think is becoming clearer is that for many Americans, a job is not only a source of income, but above all, a source of dignity, it’s a source of meaning. And an income stream from the government benefits don’t don’t compensate for that loss of dignity when you lose that job.

    I’ve been saying this for years. Not saying that to pat myself on the back, but it’s wonderful to see it in print and “out there.” Biggest takeaway by far!
    Thanks, Marie, for being you so visibly!

    • Mik

      Jet, I couldn’t agree more. Years ago, when my father was forced into an earlier retirement…well, I felt for him because I knew his work gave him purpose, meaning, and dignity. It pained me that his family wasn’t enough to provide meaning but as I grow older, I know PAID meaningful work means something , especially to men.

  10. Marie you are precious,. Thanks for a much needed conversation on the American Tightrope. I missed the part about the demise of American classrooms, and what our children are being taught about how to succeed in and after school. Who’s writes the message kids learn, and who approves it? Ask most High School students to define Ambition and wait in silence. So how are students going to succeed if they don’t understand what’s required of them?
    The mention of Amazon not paying taxes didn’t not include conversations with the people who wrote the legislation, paid for its path through Congress. The American Press must share some of the blame, for turning a blind eye to the gradual decay of our culture.
    You may not want to publish my opinion, but please write another book about unknotting this Tightrope before its too late. Marie, please keep asking questions.

  11. Mary Enright-Olson

    Soooooo glad for today’s chat with this extraordinary couple. My copy is “Out for delivery” today as it’s just been released. Marie – glad you got an early copy and responded the way only you can.
    A close action is to participate Sat. Jan. 18 Womens March. Just this weekend there was an article in the weekly paper about “checking on homeless in our town.” The sheriff placed a notice requesting us citizens to be involved (rather than law enforcement) to determine who’s in our community and what they need. I’m in a small town of 3000 – I was unaware we had homeless here. I got my flip chart out and began two lists 1) things to learn more about and 2) short and long term action plans. Onward.

  12. Sandy Rocourt

    Thank you for an eye-opener and game-changing episode. Continue on fighting on getting solutions to the humanitarian crisis. Great number valuations on some particular corporation. The discussion of capitalism is a living thing and we can rewrite the rules. I am grateful for the work you present to the world and progress through those obstacles. Happy Tuesday

    • Renee – Team Forleo

      Happy Tuesday to you too, Sandy! So glad this episode resonated with and inspired you. Keep fighting for the change and progress you wish to see in the world –– the world needs your work & stories, too! Thank you for being in our community. ?


    In this unjust world we all equal in humanity , after the great information revolution world become as a small village , there was a new generation youth people become angry , many governments wants to know why they are angry ,even thought they are in a great civilization ,they protest , burn ,act violence and finely some of them left their countries to criminal organization as Daeesh fight with them ,I say that they sow at the moment the hungry people ,unemployment ,blood every were ,……….ets, we must spread peace all over world fore our adult sake fiend more jobs , fight huger ,fight weapon seller to make food instead of , this a great problem to this unjust world.

  14. Leslie

    Thank you for reading this book and introducing me to the authors. They are so real. I mean going back to Oregon, and then sharing their stories that are real about real people. What struck me the most was the story of the guidance counselor who helped a student really reach her potentional and the pre-K teacher who really was instrumental in turning the child around in a positive way. It’s what the world needs – human interaction.

  15. Jan 14, 2020
    Just listened to your blog with Tightrope author’s and It is so encouraging to hear these observations from influential people like yourself and Nick and Sheryl.
    The dignity of work and the security of a warm and safe home to shelter after a tough day are so important.
    There are so many things you touched on today that are so basic to a “decent” society which are largely ignored by media seemingly hypnotized by gossip, greed and bad behaviour. You are a beacon of hope.
    I am totally in on building from the bottom up and bringing recognition and dignity to everyone.
    The recognition of the “dignified” bus driver who is a great parent and mentor to their colleagues and passengers. The respected mason, electrician and doctor. We are all part of the lasagna of life. Each part makes the whole better.
    I hope the book sells like crazy and people can offer their hand in friendship to all who need it ( we all do).
    To paraphrase someone we all know, “Let’s take the time to make the world great again”.
    Keep up the great work.
    ps I passed this to all my kids for a listen and inspiration.

  16. This is probably the fourth podcast I’ve listened to by Marie, I learned about her through David Bach, who I think is amazing, also bought her book, that I’m planning on reading soon.
    It was an interesting listen, I’m probably going to check out the book, though some on the statistics said were kind of a, duh. I grew up in extreme poverty, and even now I see extreme poverty around me, it’s serious right now in Sacramento.
    My only complaint is two quotes “so she didn’t just work in a donut shop and become a but driver” and they end up as bus drivers and not as presidents of the federal reserve”
    It talks about empathy, and dignity of jobs, while knocking another person’s lively hood. Bus drivers are needed, I appreciate the ones that get my kids to school and back (public transit, no school buses here, budget cuts). Personally, I work in retail, and am treated like a second class citizen, regularly, so I’ve taught my kids to see the person and not just their station in life, that’s empathy.
    If you have kids, instead of trying to mentor other kids, practice active listening to yours, practice active listening and empathy with you neighbors, coworkers, and people that cross your path throughout the day, one small change can make a difference.

    • Marie

      Hi Dawn, thanks for what you shared. I felt similarly about that part too. But when I’m interviewing folks, I strive to practice deep listening (i.e. not interrupting) them so they can fully express themselves.
      While I won’t speak for Sheryl, I do know that sometimes during interviews like this, we humans can say things in a way that doesn’t necessarily reflect what is truly in our hearts. Lord knows I’ve said things that didn’t come out the way I intended many times. Regardless, I agree with you and appreciate what you shared. XO M.

  17. Kathryn

    Such an amazing conversation! Thank you for sharing! I cannot wait to read/or listen most likely via Audible while moving to Tightrope! For a person who works in H.R. and knows we can do better – this is totally up my alley! My life was influenced by first generation Korean Americans who shared with my rural self all of the opportunities available once I knew the “how to’s”. Looking at iMentor now! Thank you All for your work!

  18. Elaine Dolan

    I am getting a lot of insight on why lots of men are losing their grasp of present reality… in the book by Donna Zuckerman titled *Not All Dead White Men*. There is a lack of trust in one’s own ability to fail and learn from it, without SHAME—Instead men have defaulted to framing and conceptually justifying their choices and lives around *Classical Greek and Roman* domination concepts. Hence-misogyny, rape, proliferation of assault weapons, War, gerrymandering, Citizen’s United, toxic spraying, destruction of the environment… the justification of TAKING, DOMINATION and GREED. Good book, for a look at online blog sites at *what’s going on there*.

    • Beth

      Ugh!!! This is so not true! When are we going to stop men-bashing!! Isn’t the point really to be looking inward at our own actions? We can’t always blame others until we are willing to look at our own actions!

  19. I haven’t watched yet. I want to say thank you, Marie and Team Forleo, for writing this in your email today:
    “Annie, you were born with an innate power to create change, both in your life and in the lives of others. ”
    I know this is a ‘form letter’ email. But, I want you to know that it is the exact message I needed reminding of today. So, thank you.
    I look forward to listening to the podcast of this episode and responding later.

    • Renee – Team Forleo

      So glad Marie’s letter resonated with you, Annie. It’s true – you have a deep power in you to create the change you wish to see in the world. Keep going! We’re honored to have you in our community. ✨

  20. Revital

    Marie, this was a great episode. Very upsetting about the taxes and how they are set up. I have a long story about it, but I won’t get into it. Also, there is a great documentary about the prison system that is eye opening and infuriating! The prison system – as it is set up today, is a thriving BUSINESS. (i don’t recall the name of the documentary, but will add it when I do)
    I don’t know why people are more likely to feed a starving child in a different country, but refuse to help a child in their own communities. I think we should start locally, and then take care of the rest of the world. I am probably pissing off many people right now…I have a lot to say, but I will keep it at this for now. Food for thoughts…

    • Revital

      The name of the documentary was ’13th’ in case anyone wants to watch it.

  21. Ciao Marie!
    It’s almost 20 years that I say that we can change the world one person at a time, and we are that person we can change… saying it better, we can change our choices and it’s one of those cases in which it’s easier done than said. At least, if you care about the planet.
    I’ve always loved so much animals and plants that I decided to become vegetarian (then vegan) almost 20 years ago, when I was 16 years old.
    I was living in Italy at that time and you can imagine the situation here, convinced as Italians are that theirs is the best cuisine in the world…
    What can I say? Maybe! But for the sake of all of us we could go vegan and at the same time – as many scientific studies proved – being healthier and living longer.
    Personally I chose mainly second hand shops (yes I know, Italy means fashion too… I swear I’m Italian…) and I avoid plastic as much as I can.
    I buy organic whenever is possible and I buy soaps that are 100% natural and without chemicals.
    What I’m saying here is… we can make a lot of difference!
    We always have a choice! We just need to make the right one having in mind the whole planet, not only our ego.
    So if Australia, the Amazon and Siberia are burning, we can’t just watch and think “it’s far from where I live, I won’t be affected”, because indeed every action has a reaction.
    There is an impact. On all of us.
    It’s like looking at our bathroom burning and think that we can only get worried when the fire will be let’s say in the kitchen…
    Well, no. The planet is one big house! Wherever we are we need to think and rethink about our personal responsibility in our lives and change according to the best outcome possible for the life on Earth.
    Education is a pivotal key.
    And of course, compassion.

    • Renee – Team Forleo

      You’re absolutely right, Laura. When one part of the world is suffering, we *all* suffer. You should be very proud of the lifestyle changes you’ve created that supports people and the planet –– well done! Thank you so much for sharing your insights, heart, and story with us. Ciao! ?

    • Revital

      I agree with you. We are all connected. When something happens to one person we are all affected in one way or another. There is actually science experiments that proves it.
      I also agree that anything we can do to leave a minimal foot print is essential to the health of this planet which directly affects us all.

  22. I’m moderating a talkback discussion in my local city at the end of the month. We’re screening a documentary about homelessness and having a discussion afterward about the small things people can do to combat the challenges of homelessness on a daily basis. Listening to this particular podcast inspired me to brainstorm different ways entrepreneurs can get involved!

    • Marie

      Brilliant!! Thank you Lauren. If it’s helpful — share this podcast/book with your group too. More good food for thought. ???

  23. My take away is that by being informed through podcast like this one is way more effective than listening to TV news channel to find solutions. I let go of watching TV thirty years ago and won’t go back to it now that “I’m retiring” (March 2020) from my working life. By this date, I’ll continue, with more time to do so, to develop and work on a project began two years ago called (in French) “Passez au suivant”.

    This Podcast offered me an idea about something I was pounding on in the last few months. That is to say, how to get wealthy elderly retired people to take action, according to their capacity. That is to say, the ones I am seeing (I work in one of these residencies) being bored and making themselves sick for a lack of knowing what to do, or even worst whom are thinking that they cannot be of service anymore because they now live in a retirement home. Many of them have a potential to do something good for someone else, but a minority is doing so. I want to change that. And this Podcast gave me a possible solution. I’ll develop and apply it in the next few months and will let you know how it goes.

    Thanks to the 3 of you!!!

    • Renee – Team Forleo

      Thank you so much for sharing this with us, Monique. I’m a fan of getting my news through podcasts and trusted sources, too, rather than watching TV and getting the “breaking updates.” Your vision for inspiring wealthy retirees to take action is truly beautiful and very much needed. Keep going! We’re so glad this episode helped you brainstorm further ideas. All of us on Team Forleo are cheering you on! ?

      • Thank you and continue the beautiful work you are all doing!

  24. Thank you for this enlightening, yet heartbreaking, podcast. Several years ago, I was at a talk about poverty in the US, and the speaker said that companies that build prisons would take specific zip codes (as mentioned in your podcast) and convince those communities that they would need future prisons. They would compile statistics to show the failure in these communities, which would lead to a rise in crime. How backwards is that?

  25. This discussion brings more awareness of the problems in our society. I am a deep believer that we must start from ourselves first.
    What do I do to make the situation better? On my level, I can work on my emotions and stay content with my life. I can be a caring mother and help my child to believe in his dreams. I can be a loving and understanding wife and work things out communicating clearly. I can be a devoted friend and make myself available for others. I can grow food thinking that I will be able to share it.
    When I am called to the school to be a sub teacher I can show my compassion and kindness in the face of disrespect and harassment.
    I can do lots of things because I have a choice. I believe in family, in the dignity of jobs and the choice to create the life I am happy to live.

    • Renee – Team Forleo

      Very true, Lena! We must put our own oxygen mask on first, and once we’re taking care of ourselves, it will naturally ripple out to serve others. I love these goals you’ve set for yourself, and all of us on Team Forleo are cheering you on! ?

  26. Hey Marie, I feel such despair that so many people are suffering. Then I look at good-intentioned people doing really important work to improve the situation in our world, and I feel a bit better. But my real despair is that everyone is dealing with the symptoms and not with the underlying causes of our world’s problems. People’s behavior, which is based on their thoughts, and choices, are the fundamental causes of the problems people face in our world. If we change the way we think and empower people to make better choices, we will change their behavior; thus, we change our world together. If we change the way we raise our children we change the world in a few generations. We have been raised in pyramid-schemes with fear-based values and beliefs. If we change those values and beliefs to Love, Balance, and Harmony and the natural wisdom of life, we would live in a totally different sustainable world. If we fix the causes of our problem and replace them with solutions we will thrive. If not we will not. It is time to break out of the bubble and see the truth and change; very quickly before it’s too late.

  27. Thank you for these insights and a reminder that while our government continues to waste billions and point fingers way too much we can do something from the grass roots level. The power of mentoring. In addition, Women need to continue taking over the reins and reform our government. Look forward to reading the book and having it in an upcoming book club.

    • Renee – Team Forleo

      You’re so right, Cheri. There’s a lot we can do at the grassroots level. Mentoring is hugely powerful! Thank you for sharing your heart and thoughts with us.

  28. Anayansi Konrad

    Whenever you wonder why, follow the money. Incarceration is a business, specially in LA and TX. I feel that the main element to make things happen, above all others, is empathy. It’s very hard to find in the world we live in. A small kindness has a wondrous impact.

  29. I think the program was great, Tightrope well needed. Special to highlight the idea of mentoring women – huge – in a culture where the focus for national identity has been on men’s values, ideas, choices to track results, with women’s roles being to support men, cook for them, prepare homes – not skills they can use in a workplace. The whole scale is designed by white men’s values and styles, so mentoring and follow through for women and excluded groups – working class, African American, children of parents with substance abuse issues, children of parents who never attended college, children whose families moved many times – all have different needs, from students for which our education systems were designed in the past. A major issue is follow through, for with everyone starting new businesses and programs, there varied opportunities available, but as someone who has taken so many courses over time, I know that eventually, it becomes depressing and negatively impacting – that some students get connections and supports, while others who struggle are left behind, and the competing organizations have no protocol for even simple follow up contacts, and willingness to try to meet students at risk of being dropouts – where they are. I loved the comments that it doesn’t take as long as you may think, to help someone turn-around. All or nothing negative thinking inhibits many, who might have helped mentor someone for a 3 year project – targeted for specific goals. I learned last year, at 75, that I’m still capable of travel. For years a caregiver struggling to keep up, I thought I had missed my chance to do something for my life. But, this year, I planned a trip, just for my own fun – and set about organizing travel in light of my age (as in: no plane departures before 3 pm, in case I had a sleepless night the night before, or took longer to get to the airport.) It worked – I completed a successful trip, felt encouraged by being welcomed and appreciated by young fans of a special TV show that I joined (Psych). I did not realize I could still travel, still organize dress up clothes and get a new 4 wheel spinner suitcase that I could moved without lifting. I had such a great time! It was such a boost to my self esteem, I even won first prize in one of the acting contests. I shared new photos with everyone on my return.
    But later, I heard of a professional conference in the field where I had studied but did not complete my degree. I had dropped out at the end when not supported through a glitch. This year, newly encouraged, I took the chance and submitted a proposal to do a workshop at that conference – to my surprise and delight they accepted. It was a huge effort for me, on my own, to pace myself to gather information from life lessons and articles, organize them to share. Several times I thought I should give up, not embarrass myself by offering a poor presentation. But in my life, I have run away too often when I met obstacles, this time, at 75 years old, I was determined to show up, in whatever condition I could manage.

    The travel logistics went well, especially after my earlier trip where I could start to gather clothes and suitcase and updated travel knowledge. Pushed to ask for help, I got help from a church media person, who set up my presentation slides to be stored on my computer where I could reliably find them all: as an attachment in my email. I planned to give myself an edge by arriving 2 days early, and stay in the same hotel as the conference. I arrived exhausted, but got my rest the first night, did last minute work on my presentation the next day in my room, then finally went down to join the other conference attendees, leaders and presenters. And….. I found myself welcomed warmly – surprise! I had stayed away in self doubt, after running away from that field 25 years before, and had since then worked as a caregiver, left goals of training behind. My presentation went well enough, barely, not what it could be another time, as I had not felt focused enough to advertise it beforehand, and in my nervousness, I struggled to choose ideas and slides. But I brought it. I did it. Four professional adults stayed through to the end, and they said I was saying something new and valuable.

    I spent the rest of my time hearing presentations of others, joining these colleagues active in the field where I had studied years earlier. I got to tour Atlanta a bit before returning home to New England.
    I had too much work waiting for me on my return, to develop my contacts then, but it is a new year, 2020, and I see how much it encouraged me to return to the field I had loved, and left, years before. I know that if I pace myself, include rest and balance to match my age, I can find venues where I can encourage others or teach. (My website is not developed – but after more practical steps in sharing this year, that’s more doable!)

    • Renee – Team Forleo

      Cassie! Wow! What an incredible story. You should be incredibly proud of the bravery, grit, and focus you implemented this year. Well done! And I agree – mentoring, teaching, and following-up with people to help them get back on track is much easier than we assume. These are beautiful insights. Thank you for sharing your amazing story with us, and all of us on Team Forleo are cheering you on as you take the next steps on your adventure. Keep going! ?

  30. Dianne Ayvazian

    Thanks, Marie, for sharing this social justice discussion !
    I’m struck by what a punitive culture we live in & how far compassion & common sense approaches can go toward helping others. (rather than this fixation on punishment)
    If we each could HELP when needed, open our hearts rather than judge, we’d all feel so much better ! & get inspired to do more.

  31. This episode hits so close to home and my work. <3
    LOVE it and it gives me hope to keep pushing. xoxo Thank you.

  32. Rene

    Thank you once again Marie, for another slice of inspiration, and another morsel of education. I live in England, and I must admit my interest in this podcast was captured right at the beginning when you opened up the dialogue to include everyone in the world – not that you wouldn’t I know. And it wasn’t just because I felt there might be stuff in here that’s relevant to my life, wisdom I could learn from and broaden my understanding of the world we all share, it was that astonishingly well crafted Marie technique of making me feel included. You are such a consummate professional.
    These authors are new to me, and I’ll definitely get the book, so thank you for bringing this to our attention. It was a fascinating, somewhat worrying but also uplifting podcast. The problem we’re all facing is a debt that previous generations have unwittingly bestowed upon us, whether that be from ignorance, or greed, or just living to the rules set by others. But I genuinely feel that we’re living in a time where so much goodness is possible. Communication between us all is so easy and effective these days, compared to say 50 years ago, and while that brings with it enormous problems, it also means we can create, share and support each other to a better, fairer and ultimately much more rewarding life more than previous generations ever thought possible.
    We don’t need to look any further than this website to see just how effective that supportive way of living can be.
    I’ve been thinking about the message here. I don’t have any specific skills that can contribute to the changes that are needed to redress the balance, but I’ve realised that I could start by mentoring some young folk. What I do have, and it’s been enriched by following you, is a compassionate and generous disposition, so I feel maybe I could do some good by just being there, in a supportive, non-judgmental way, for those less fortunate than me. For a while now, I’ve been looking at ways to start a business, to unleash my creativity, to live my ‘why’ as it were, and of course to have a reason to benefit from your brilliant B-School, but I haven’t found it. Now though, this podcast has got me thinking I should maybe turn my attention to a different direction. To others. I’ve no idea how I can help, but I’m sure with the aid of another fabulous book I have on the shelf, it’s figuroutable :-).
    Thanks again Marie. You’re an amazing encouragement to us all. I don’t know how you manage to craft your message and purpose so brilliantly – just good ol’ fashioned hard work is a main ingredient I’m sure, but it’s always an uplifting experience to share in your wisdom.
    Thank you Marie, Nicholas and Sheryl.

    • Renee – Team Forleo

      Oh my goodness, thank you so much for these kind words! Truly, it means the world to us that Marie’s work makes you feel seen and included –– that’s always a huge priority for Marie & all of us on Team Forleo. ?
      The truth is, you *do* have gifts that can help the world in a positive way. Running a heart-centered business is an excellent way to give back to your community –– it provides jobs, it can provide charitable donations, mentorship programs, the sky’s the limit! You have gifts to share, and any contribution that is centered in love and integrity will make a positive impact. All of us on Team Forleo are cheering you on, and thank you for sharing your heart and story with us.

  33. Kathleen Carr

    Another great book I look forward to reading. ECEducation is key to our figure. The schooling, certification and the money is tough on a teacher. We are in it with our heart for the child. The work with drugs in Canada and Portugal is remarkable. Helping the Woman – Mothers that were addicted to drugs become clean great again. Mothers want to make a difference.
    Marie you are Awesome!

  34. Kate Culver

    I enjoyed this episode, Marie! A point of clarification on “policymakers” “who just want to get it done by the deadline.” The people determining policy are the banking elite. This statement in the interview sounds like “policymakers” are government leaders. They aren’t. Government leaders are simply the waterboys (girls) of the banking elite.
    I haven’t read Tightrope (I plan to), perhaps this point is mentioned in it, I recently heard a recent report showed how much public opinion matters in whether legislation is passed. It didn’t matter at all. Zero. That’s because money is the mover and shaker. And no economist who wants to keep his/her job will ever talk about money, they only talk about “the economy”.
    Every single issue one might be drawn to champion: homelessness, climate change, prisons, fracking, whatever it is, the people championing for their cause need money. That is the common denominator. And they will always scramble for it as long as we have a Debt-based money system rather than an Asset-based money system. It’s not rocket science, but changing it will destroy the power-over paradigm of capitalism.
    It’s not socialism. It’s a truly free market system. Asset-based money has a wonderful track record around the world (including the U.S. twice), though they were short-lived due to the power of the central banks. It’s not that they didn’t work- they did. That’s why the powers-that-be shut them down.
    If we’re going to save the world enough for us to continue then getting to the heart of the problem is critical. That heart is money. We can’t play around the edges. Money is an agreement. It can be a sacred agreement. Right now it’s a coercive agreement.
    Change the money – change the world.

  35. In our small town in northern Michigan and all over the country we are suffering from an array of social and economic injustices. The is a major lack of skilled labor. We have done such a good job convincing our children whose parents can afford it that without a college degree you are and can not be a success. We are slowly eradicating the service industry. We have created a society of pencil pushers and not doers.

    People are not raised with accountability or responsibility because no one is home to support them and interact with them. Our children are addicted to technology, social media, and mobile phones. They do not learn the basic skills of communication, courtesy, and empathy. They never escape the bullying! The family dynamic has changed from one of support to one of self-absorption, loneliness, and segregation. We spend more money on prisons and less money on helping our single mothers with child care, food, health care, and the basics.

    After every shooting, we talk big about mental illness and depression, but then allow big insurance companies to deny disability insurance or life insurance to people who are taking an anti-depressant.

    We promote eliteness and look down on those who are less fortunate, and this starts in preschool. The upcoming generation does not have the confidence to reach out and offer help, as they are struggling themselves.

    It is unconscionable that we live in the most powerful and one of the richest countries and yet we have staggering poverty and people living in horendous living situations. Unfortunately, so many who are home are struggling with addiction, mental illness, depression and an overall lack of self-worth that they can barely provide for themselves, let alone for the next generation.

    Instead of spending money on building vocational centers, caregiving facilities for our youth, or healthcare; our government is spending billions on trying to impeach a slimeball. The reality is we all know who our president is. People voted for him because they are hoping for a change. It is disappointing that we haven’t concentrated on what we can do as a group to help him make the right decisions and be a better president. Instead, we choose to highlight his failings and show the rest of the world what a buffoon we have to lead our country. We should be taking all the money spent proving that he is not worthy and work on restoring hope and dignity to our lower and middle class and their offspring.

    Yes, one person can make a difference, and a group of doers can change the world. I applaud the people who wrote Tightrope and your courage to broadcast it. How do we start the movement to support and restore our next generation?


    • Julia - Team Forleo

      Audrey, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts, perspective, and beautiful words here. We appreciate you being a part of this conversation and love your heart, how much you sincerely care. We’d absolutely encourage you to read the book, as it presents many research-backed strategies for contributing to positive, measurable change for our future generations. We hope it will be inspiring for you!

  36. Zainab

    I just want to say everytime i read your email i feel very inspiring, motivated and keep telling myself to walk through my dream with confidence. Thank you so much marie.

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      We’re SO happy to hear that, Zainab. Sending you tons of Team Forleo love and encouragement! ❤️

  37. >> As a Brit who is personally concerned about how many people will suffer and ultimately die due to the effects of this government and Brexit, I have desperately sought out things I can do to keep hope alive, so thank you for this interview.

    >> The concept of personal choice and irresponsible vs the greater choices made by society… is huge and obvious and yet I hadn’t really considered it.

    >> I worked with young offenders for a couple of years and Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and those who were born withdrawing from drugs are so much more likely to end up as young offenders… understanding when they are little why they are “difficult” because of the brain damage and treating it with different ways of managing that behaviour would massively shift things for those humans later on. > Purpose, meaning and personal potential is so overlooked. Things feel so frickin’ hard and we very quickly decline in living a full, enjoyable life. It’s exactly why I focus on melding the science, spirit and self-help in my coaching, because I believe when we know why we are here and feel capable of completing that personal mission, it ripples out across the whole world. <3

  38. Katie

    I remind myself that I’m only as strong as my weakest link. The same goes for community, country and world. It shows me where to shore up, strengthen and make resilient. I welcome conversations like these to point me in a new direction. Thank you!

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      We love that perspective, Katie. How powerful and true. We’re so glad this was an inspiring conversation for you. Here’s to building up all of our resilience and strength, together ❤️

  39. Hi, Dear Marie, Thank you for this mail specially for the podcast. There is the vast work behind this conversation. I appreciate the magnitude of the task discussed and the actual coagulating the force in the words for the reader. It really encourages the alert mind to take the prompt action in this inactive background of the typical Governance s. All the main objectives in the present situations of the countries involved must be action ed. Women and the Children are the main topics for the rehabilitation in current situation. Remedies involved are well expressed. India is persuading with its own style , which still requires bit stringent and fast actions.
    Thank you for your GREAT MISSION and wish you all the very Best for your task.

  40. Lori

    Thanks so much for sharing this couple’s work with your audience.
    I have been working on being more aware of my surroundings, and especially the people I am surrounded by…in the grocery store, in my neighborhood, in our local schools.

    One of the things that had me nodding my head in Agreement is the fact that I 100% agree that when I open myself up to communicating with others, I ALWAYS learn something in the process. About myself, about others, about life and my surroundings. And I feel more connected to the world, too.

    Over the years, I have unofficially (and officially) mentored, raised, nurtured children (mostly teens) that we’re not my biological children. As a child, my grandmother did this and my mom did this, too. We did not have much $$ to give, but we were never short of hugs and encouragement…and sometimes a firm kick in the pants to say “YOU CAN DO THIS”.

    I am truly encouraged to keep my head up and look out and not down at the ground!

    Thanks again!

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      You are AMAZING, Lori! I can tell from what you’ve shared how kind, generous, and supportive of a person you are, and that you’re creating so many positive ripples out into the world around you. This makes a huge impact, and the world needs more humans like you! Thank you for being such an inspiration.

      • I Agree she is so amazing 🙂 world needs more like her

  41. LaTina Anderson

    I do not agree that people just “need a job” to retain their dignity. The public education system is and has always been built around getting a job and is largely still outdated. What needs to be taught is creative entrepreneurship…supporting and allowing young people to build their personal skills and discover the joy in endeavors that benefit the world. I graduated high school with a diploma (barely) and have to say that the education I received was a poor one. No one cared if I went to college or succeeded, and being a small town girl, I knew next to nothing. I have had jobs in factories, the service industry, etc., and the monotony, low pay and hopelessness of feeling like I was just another dispensable warm body with working hands is soul crushing, and feeling like the work I was doing was pointless was anything but dignifying. I now work in data entry as an independent contractor, and although I work full time, I make less than someone on social security. This is the path of jobs right now, as many companies in America are finding more ways to skirt the system and give less to their employees so that they can put more in their own pockets. I can say this because I am 51 now and have had plenty of experience with that. My future is scary and unsure, and if we really don’t want that for the young people growing up in this country, then they need to be allowed to have open minds, allowed to make choices of their own and given the freedom to not only dream much bigger, but given the resources to grow their gifts into something joyful, powerful and meaningful.
    I think it’s great that there are more programs and mentorships for kids, I just wish there were resources for those of us that are a bit older who have lost our way and want to do so much more to creatively contribute but don’t know where to turn.

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      Latina, we absolutely hear you, and know how challenging it can be when you’re not feeling connected to fulfilling work, or like your financial future is stable. We adore your vision for the future, giving people the freedom and education to dream big & the resources to share their gifts with the world in a meaningful, creative, joyful way. You put that so beautifully!

      This is actually what all of our work is centred around, and we share this vision with you. We’ve created our B-School program to give people the resources and tools they need to build a life and business around work they deeply care about, and we offer scholarships to the program each year to make it as accessible as possible.

      I’d definitely encourage you to check out some inspiring stories about what’s possible – no matter your age or background – in our B-Schooler stories here:

      Lastly, I think you may find these episodes of MarieTV helpful and encouraging:

      We’re sending you so much love and support – you can do this!

  42. Lani

    I purchased the book for myself and my daughter who is a social worker in Portland Oregon. Her clients are mentally ill and her goal is to support and keep them in housing. We moved to Sweet Home Oregon 2 years ago. The community has suffered from the loss of jobs in the timber industry. As a retired elementary/reading specialist teacher, my intention was to volunteer in a local school as I had done in our hometown. Well, no more excuses. The trees have been planted and the garden is in place. Thank you for the podcast. I needed the nudge and I am grateful. We subscribe to the NYT for the sole purpose of reading Mr. Kristof’s writings.

  43. So important to be talking about this stuff Marie. This book should be required reading. As should Naomi Klein’s The Shock Doctrine, which paints an extremely grim picture of how the US government spent decades focusing on controlling, manipulating and crushing other countries. So many needless proxy wars and now an unhinged commander-in-chief who would rather send out rubbish tweets and stir up tensions with other countries (all distractions from the disaster that the US’s own backyard has become), than connect with Americans and provide real solutions. Nicholas and Sheryl have articulated the core issues well. They’re doing inspiring work and I hope it motivates a lot of positive change. Education is the game-changer and Marianne Williamson had the most passionate voice for it during her 2020 campaign push. Sorry to see her out of the running!

  44. Yvonne

    Very inspiring. Thanks so much for sharing.

    • Rachel - Team Forleo

      Thank you for being here, Yvonne! We’re so glad you appreciated this.

  45. Krista

    Thank you so much for sharing this interview, Marie. I love that Nick Kristof and Cheryl WuDunn not only open our eyes to the difficult-to-face realities in the world, break our hearts, and outrage us, but moreover provide stories of hope and direct us on how to find solutions to complicated problems. I know this interview is different than your usual offerings, but you never know when one of your entrepreneur fans will take these stories to heart and make shift happen in the world. I can’t wait to be inspired by this new book!

    • Rachel - Team Forleo

      Thank you for taking the time to chime in and share your insights here, Krista! We truly appreciate you being here, and it’s our hope that this interview will inspire the change that’s just waiting to happen in someone out there.

  46. Other ways to make a difference.
    Help others in the US register to vote. Sometimes a simple invitation is all they need. (check out Vote Forward’s adopt-a-voter campaign).
    Volunteer to read to kids at your local library.
    Volunteer to tutor a child in one subject that you were pretty good with at school. The poorer school systems can really use the help (and school supply donations too).
    Get involved with your neighbors through sites like NextDoor – often needs will be posted there and you can actually participate in being part of your community.
    Volunteer with an environmental group. I have been working with Center for Biological Diversity entering data from home.
    Finally, spend time calling your elders. They may tell you the same stories over and over again or drive you crazy with their politics. But your phone call may be the one bright spot in their day.

  47. Thank you, Marie, Sheryl, and Nick. I am eager to visit the websites you mentioned near the end to learn more about their successful interventions. As a kindness advocate, adult with ADHD, and B-School graduate, I wrestle with moving from ideas to action. I am encouraged by Mary Daly’s story and your emphasis on empathy to continue bringing attention to kindness. In addition to finding and sharing stories as you did, we can rewire our brains to cultivate kindness, be anchored in kindness, and live life in the key of kindness. Attention to kindness has led me to be less reactive and instead, more kind-minded and open-hearted. At Kindness Alert, visitors are invited to adopt and repeat a set of intentions, ranging from “I commit to kindness” to “Pause, breathe, choose. Choose kindness, mindful kindness.” for this purpose. Namaste.

  48. Sairam

    Hi I am from India my story is different I am 53yrs old done different jobs no stability in the carrier lost lakhs of rupees by trusting others now I am in tightrope how the future will be getting scared addicted for drinks no job no business no income life is ruined by friends planning to commit suicide hope tightrope will help m

    • Maja - Team Forleo

      Hi Sairam, thank you so much for sharing a bit more about what’s going on for you right now. We’re so sorry to hear things have been so difficult lately.

      You’re here for a reason, Sairam, and the world truly needs you in it. We need you in it. There are people and organizations that are here to help you and listen confidentially and without any judgment.

      If you’re feeling like hurting yourself, we would urge you to contact a suicide prevention organizations, like AASRA ( and call their 24-hour Helpline Number +91-9820466726.

      I also wanted to share a few episodes of MarieTV that may resonate with you right now:

      You’re not alone, Sairam. We see you, and we’re so glad you’re here. ?

      Sending you so much love your way,

  49. Sairam

    Nothing it’s a hint to tightrope

  50. I was inspired to adopt a koala!

    • Maja - Team Forleo

      We love that, Zyin! You’re making a difference. We’re delighted this episode inspired you!

  51. Mackenzie

    The story of Mary Daly made me burst into tears, bawl my eyes out. Because it was so beautiful, and so beautifully simple: someone “saw” her. And they took the time to tell her what they saw, that she could go further than she herself might be able to see. And this seems to me to be an answer to many issues: that each of us can change the direction of someone’s life, like that saying how “one small stone can change the flow of an entire river.” And what if more of us start doing this? even if it is one person. Maybe I am a pollyanna, maybe I choose to believe that kindness and empathy exist in the darkest of times. But what I also believe is that if we each have the capacity to change the course of someone’s life by seeing that person and telling them the hope we see, then by virtue of that we can change our world.

  52. Mary Cudney

    I was amazed at the imbalance. I appreciated the two things that can make a difference. I am going to buy Tightrope for my son. He just started listening to audio books. He’s a teacher. Thank you so much for this podcast.

  53. Samuel C Beaton

    Very candid and impactful conversation. Homelessness is always a top concern in mind. People not seen as decent human beings but worthless bums, this should not even be happening, what should be happening, is the community, doing God’s real work.
    The reason we are here because we have a responsibility and his mission to carry out in this world. Right now, we are failing miserably. And do not want that; want us to pull each other up daily. The only way we can end homelessness: Working together and up close with other public and private partnerships in the state of the state.
    There is still hope if we choose it.

  54. Samuel C Beaton

    Also, help my friend with her non-profit organization, by donating socks, and gloves to those in need. I feel great about it. Nothing is precious than serving others.

  55. I’m deeply inspired this morning, but what can someone do to positively change the life of a family member who is always negative?

  56. Very Inspiring I would love to read more about this kind of blogs/content.

  57. Thank you so much for having this amazing pair on your show. To hear that four out of the five kids in a family that he grew up with were dead was gut wrenching. im 51, And when I thought about what that kund of loss would mean for all of the people whom I’ve been friends with for more than 30 years, it blew my mind and theirs-
    I love how you pulled the concept in to us as leaders of companies and organizations: if the people we lead or not succeeding and reaching their full potential neither will the organizations we hope they help us build

  58. Hi it’s a Elena again sorry I have rarely left two comments on the same segment, but I have to in this case: when the subject of hardline negotiation with China is dismissed as not particularly important, I must strongly disagree. I don’t do this to pull us off message. I do it because if we become combative with China rather than focus on her own problems and find ways to collaborate with and create mutually beneficial trade agreements we are going to become a developing country of our own making. though everything else that’s been discussed is truly big picture, collectively going to a great impact on our future, i must stress that cutting off relationships with China will ensure that all of our boats do not rise together and that we lose out in the future of technology trade and collaborative position in the world

  59. This is a great interview to remind us all that we can make a difference. Maybe we can’t fix everything but maybe we can fix something!

  60. Ivan Šestak. Hrvatska.

    Marie svaki čovjek samo se malo treba okrenuti oko sebe i vidjet će koliko je ljudi gladno,bolesno, podcijenjeno, svatko ima jednaka prava na dostojanstven život i da uživa u svim plodovima koje nam je podario Dragi Bog. Pritom misleći i na buduće naraštaje i ne zagađivati prirodu koja za sada samo upozorava svojim silama da čovijek ne ide u pravom smjeru. Amen.

  61. In life, challenges abounds and it is courage that keeps us going. When pressed to the wall, we must keep our hope high; believing that no matter how dark or long the night seems, the morning light is sure to come.
    Thank you for sharing.

    • Renee – Team Forleo

      Very true, Oghovemu! The dawn will always come, even in the darkest of times. Thank you for sharing these insights, and we’re honored to have you in our community. ☀️

  62. Interesting! If we all find the motivation to reach our potential and work towards it, it will truly yield a positive outcome for our country and the world at large. Thanks for sharing.

    • Kate

      I loved this episode so much – it really resonates with me. Thank you for sharing.

      • Kelly

        So powerful. It makes me more determined to grow my business and make a difference in this world.

  63. Kathy Darrow

    If Tightrope put you into a rage, as you said at the beginning of this post, you might might also like Just Mercy by Ryan Stevenson to catapult you into complete despair. But Ryan also demonstrates the tenacity and saint like devotion to a cause that CAN make a difference, one life at a time.
    Have you interviewed Ryan?

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Marie hasn’t interviewed Bryan, though we’re always open to suggestions about who you want to see on the show. Thanks for asking!

  64. I love this.

  65. Marie, THANK YOU for this episode. To answer your question, first: it inspired me to get more involved in our local schools and be more vocal about drug rehab programs. And to gush about how much I appreciate you, second: I also recently listened to your episode with Byron Katie and your interview about money on Rachel Hollis’ show. I LOVE how you wholeheartedly, without contradiction, embody and sing out this combination of, 1. supporting individuals’ ability to take charge of their income and their whole experience of life, and 2. calling us all out on how we can and must do better societally to make a decent home on this planet for all people. Also, while I’m here, you are hilarious, and I have laughed out loud several times, doing the dishes with ear buds in. Now, back to binge listening.

    • Ismeri -Team Forleo

      Hi Leilani — we’re so happy this episode inspired you to get involved in your local schools. We can’t wait to see the positive impact you’ll have in your community. We’re honored to hear how much you enjoy Marie’s work and are thrilled to have you in our world!

      Enjoy binging:)

  66. Painful to listen to.. realizing that America is so behind and it lost even more steam in the past 3.5 years..
    I’m definitely going to check out
    Thank you,

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