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Do you work your buns off every day and yet… still feel like you’re never doing enough?

Today’s guest will change everything you once believed about productivity, your worth, and the value of 40-hour-plus work weeks. In Kate Northrup’s new book, Do Less, she makes a science-backed argument for a slower paced, more meaningful life — without sacrificing your ambition or results.

Kate is an entrepreneur. After becoming a mom for the second time and managing a series of health issues, she was forced to do less. In fact, her life required her to cut her workload in half. That’s when something surprising happened. She was able to achieve the same results while working half the time. How exactly did she do it?

Learn How to Do Less with Kate Northrup

Today on MarieTV, Kate Northrup shares the counterintuitive, science-backed productivity strategies she’s learned along with the time management myths you must stop believing if you want a less stressed, more energizing life. Spoiler: doing less has nothing to do with dialing down your ambitions, settling for less, or living a life of leisure.
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No matter your circumstances, you’ll find productivity strategies here that will help you regain a greater sense of ease, purpose, peace, and control over your time and life.

Join our conversation and learn:

  • How some companies are achieving higher rates of success and productivity, while lowering employee burnout.
  • The “Do Less Filter” you can use to get the same results in half the time.
  • Why managing your energy is even more important than managing your time.
  • How to know what work is essential, and what’s just keeping you “busy.”
  • How to stop measuring your worth based on how much you accomplish each day.
  • Why refusing to ask for help actually hurts your relationships.

Yes, there is an alternative to feeling burned out and overworked. You can do less, and devote more time, energy, and focus to what really matters.

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Once you’ve watched, Kate and I would love to hear from you.

What’s one area of your life that you want to do less, but are afraid to try? What would be the worst case scenario if you experimented with doing less for a week? Leave a comment below and let me know.

Share as much detail as you can. Because tens of thousands of incredible souls come here each week for insight and inspiration. Your story may be just what someone else needs to have a major breakthrough. Important: please share your thoughts and ideas directly in the comments. Links to other posts, videos, etc. may be removed.

Thank you so much for watching, and adding your voice to the conversation.

So many of us feel a constant sense of anxiety and dread, fearing that no matter how many hours we put in, we’re still not doing enough.

But what if that notion is a lie? What if it’s a destructive, dangerous cultural myth that we need to break?

As Kate says, “The world doesn’t need you busy, the world needs you here. And that’s enough.”

With so much appreciation and respect ❤️,


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  1. Thanks Marie and Kate!!!
    I LOOOOVED this book! And the interview.

    I’m well into the second year of my biz, and sometimes I feel like a rock climber gripping the side of a cliff, where it’s still a long way up, but its an even longer way down, and I’m thinking, “How does one rest in this position?”

    Reading “Do Less,” I felt so understood. Checking my vitals, getting cyclic, but my FAVORITE simple piece of wisdom was planning my week not my day. I’m a mom too, and I kept trying to plan my day the night before, but it was like stuffing a clown car. Full of clowns. Laughable. I’ll never forget the line where you’re like, “Plan your week. You’re welcome.” Kindle drop. Now I plan my week on Sundays, and even if it doesn’t get done on Monday, it still fitsssss!

    Thank you thank you and moooore thank you! All the love in the world to both of you. Seriously women, my life has changed so much!


    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Your metaphor of the rock climber is so perfect for the entrepreneur life. It really does feel that way sometime, though we’re so glad Kate’s wisdom was helpful. We hope you’re able to rest, even when you feel like you’re hanging off the edge of a cliff. 🙂

      • Thanks Mandy! Yeah, I guess I’m really proud because this biz has been completely supporting my family for a year as of June 15th. (The first 9 months I was just doing nights and weekends while teaching during the day.) And I totally have B-School to thank for that. And I´M SO MUCH HAPPIER. So thank you.

    • So glad you found the book so useful! The moving from a daily to weekly to do list was seriously such a game changer for me and I’m so psyched it’s given your weeks more spaciousness, too!

      • YESSSS! And I was right at that point where I needed to change up the game a little. Feeling so much more FUN again. 🙂

  2. Uh I love Kate’s work so much, I preordered the book some months ago and I absolutely loved it! Being a mompreneur myself I totally agree with this unique approach!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Awesome, Federica! We’re so happy her wisdom resonates with you. 🙂

    • Thank you for preordering Do Less! Thrilled that the approach it takes resonates with you.

  3. Salut Marie,
    Great show as usual and lots of wisdom nugget from kate. Really gracious of her to share from her personal experience. To answer your question “What’s one area of your life that you want to do less, but are afraid to try? ” as a mom I’d say worrying. I think we take on a lot as moms because we worry too much. We worry because we care and want the best for them but the worry takes away from enjoying the journey and letting them become their own person.
    The worst case scenario experimenting doing less would be regretting not doing less sooner. Since leaving with regrets is futile, I guess I would appreciate the fact that now I know and I have more time to watch my kid grow up to be his own man without me worrying.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Yes, yes, YES! So beautifully said, Webly. <3

    • Yes! Less worrying. It definitely doesn’t prevent bad things from happening and it’s just a time and energy suck. So glad you brought this up. I’m excited for you to try it out!

  4. Monica Garcia

    Loved this episode! So many practical examples to apply, like meeting a friend who drains your energy for a walk. I also find the 3 things to ask yourself to be more productive (i.e., “does it need to be done today”, if not move it to the project list). What hit me the most was the concept of being busy to fill the void of what you don’t want to feel. Thank you!

  5. Biggest insight is what was read aloud at the end. I am recording it in my own voice to remind myself often. Thank you.

    • Megan

      Wow, that is a great idea. I literally got emotional during that last read.
      Another fantastic and helpful episode Marie! Thank you for the introduction to Kate and her work. I needed to hear this today.

      • Julia

        I too got very emotional hearing that. I often need to remind myself that I’m ALWAYS enough.

  6. The last quote made me cry! I AM enough!

    As a single working mother of 3 children, 2 of whom were born with life-threatening syndromes and multiple disabilities, who also runs her own company, I fell into that category at the beginning of the interview of “Yeah, well, she has no idea how hard it can really be!”

    But so much of what you said really resonated with me and reminded me of my need to take responsibility for my own patterns of behaviour around control and constantly running on adrenaline, multi-tasking to an insane level which ends up leaving me physically and emotionally exhausted.

    I have tried to put similar strategies in place in my life before but typically I fall off the wagon as there always seems to be an endless procession of deadlines to hit, and working through the night when the kids have gone to sleep feels like the only time I actually get the uninterrupted peace and quiet I need to focus.

    I have just ordered Kate’s book and am really looking forward to exploring her ideas. It has also felt so good just to stop, give myself permission to watch this without feeling like I’m failing for not wading through my to-do-list this morning, and laugh along with you.

    Thank you to you both for helping me to remember that I’m not alone and that the most important thing to my children is that I’m around for as long as possible to love them.


    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      You’re a supermom entrepreneur! We’re so glad you’re feeling seen in Kate’s words. We’re cheering you on!

    • YOU ARE AMAZING!!! I’m here with you woman, bringing home stability for my family with my biz. And it’s not always easy, but I think it can be easier. Major breakthroughs are on the way. So much love to you.

  7. Sanjay

    Hi Marie… Never tire of saying that this show is really great. I thoroughly enjoy watching you and each and every facet of discussion. It’s never too much to really be reminded about the 80/20 rule considering its so effective. Marie I am glad that now you are my all time favourite coach… life coach… thank you so much…

  8. John Garland

    I’ve noticed that most new ways of thinking is actually a refurbishing of a much older way of thinking. From what I’ve gathered from the “Do Less” idea it is actually the old, “Don’t work hard, work smart” idea. In effect you are cutting the unnecessary corners out of life so that more can get done as you live your life.

  9. OMG this was such a great video. I was raised by a father that literally is so busy that he can’t even say good morning. He worked constantly growing up and STILL does and he’s 80! But his relationships with my brother and me really suffered as a result. (I was nodding at Kate’s assertion that we’re busy to avoid things, and I think he really just didn’t know how to be a dad so he threw himself into his work to avoid trying.) So working really hard was modeled to me. And now I’m in the middle of a divorce with two small children and have a regular full-time job while also starting a new business. I recently made a sign that’s on my bathroom mirror that says “ABW,” which stands for “Always Be Working.” Isn’t that awful? But I made a commitment to always be working so that I could make it all happen for my daughters. I’m also a current first-time B Schooler, and I haven’t even gotten through module two because I’m so busy! So sad! I’m committed now to making B School one of my vital few, because starting my business will be the way to provide for my children, and I can’t keep putting it on the backburner. Thank you so much for this video and for all that you do! I also loved how sparkly Kate’s personality is….she is adorable! 🙂

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Anything you do is always enough. B-School is there for you for life, so it’s okay to take your time. We believe in you!

  10. Such important advice but so hard to implement if you’re totally identified with doing energy, which so many of us in Western cultures are. In Voice Dialogue the part of ourselves that values being busy and ‘doing’ is an inner self we call the Pusher. This Pusher aspect of our personality writes our to-do lists, gets us up and moving, and feels anxiety when it thinks we aren’t doing enough. It fuels our Inner Critic and is what gets triggered with advice to do less.
    One thing you can do to more easily follow Kate’s advice is to alleviate your Pusher’s (and therefore your) anxiety by interviewing your Pusher, either through journaling or an interview process like Voice Dialogue, and find out why it thinks it’s so important to keep doing so much and what it’s anxieties are about doing less.
    Once you gain some understanding of how this aspect of yourself operates in you and you have a sense of separation from it – just as Kate describes when you kind of sit with nothingness and get a stronger sense of who you really are and what really matters to you – you’ll gain more choice in how the Pusher operates in your life.
    I have an article with tips on how to handle the Pusher on my Voice Dialogue website.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s so smart, Astra! Thanks for sharing this tip.

    • I’m on the website now! Been journaling and meditating but always looking to increase the effect. Thanks for the share!❤

  11. Two of my favey fave ladies talking about all the things! SO GOOD! Love this episode. xo Licia

  12. I really loved this episode. So relevant to my life at the moment. Thank you! I’m going to buy Kate’s book. X

  13. B

    Great interview. Best book I’ve ever read on the concept of why we feel the need to be busy all the time is “Crazy Busy” written by an M.D. The long and short of it (as the ladies already referred to) is that being busy keeps us from “looking into the abyss” – the fact that we’re all going to die one day and no amount of productivity will change that. As depressing as that sounds, its also freeing.

  14. Wanda Bowring

    I’m not in the same place. This book would have been timely about 20 years ago. Self-discovery is a good journey but I would think most business-working first-time mothers know this already.

  15. Stacey Knoebel

    Loved this interview, Kate is so bubbly and fun, and real! I cried when she read from her book, I’ve totally been struggling with this, ufda.. thank you for sharing this with me. 🙂

  16. I have started doing less and it has been wonderful. I gave up social media and found a manager that could do it for me and it has freed me to focus on what I love doing, my design work. Because like you I remember a time before social media and I really missed it. I connect better in person and want to go back to that. Thank you for this conversation. It was truly refreshing!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s so smart, Franka! We’re proud of you for setting yourself up for growth and not being afraid to get help.

  17. I’m still recovering from this interview because it’s the subject of my new workshop and I’m so happy to hear that my philosophy is backed up by the new book of Kate.
    Great interview! ??

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s so cool, Gaëlle! We’re cheering you on with your workshop and in all you do. 🙂

  18. I would like to do less at work. I keep taking on more work and more responsibilities because I feel if I don’t do them, no one will. But, this is taking me away from doing the work I really believe in and am better suited for. The worst case scenario would be that my company doesn’t see the value in what I am offering would let me go. The best case scenario is that with more time, I would have more energy to devote to my work and they would see the value in that and possibly even acknowledge me for that work instead of all the busy work! Great show, Marie! And thank to Kate for sharing 🙂

  19. What is Kate’s website? Where can I find the book?

  20. Letsee

    I’m not a mom but I enjoyed every bit of the episode. I’ve done a version of the experiment Kate mentioned to shift the dynamic in two of my relationships and it works! But I need to tweak it so that they have more joy.

  21. I loved the 3 ideas for changing our relationships
    1. change the side of my dance (what are you going to do about it?)
    2. wrap yourself in your magic bubble ( this is my term, because I’ve been doing it for a while)
    3. limit the time you spend with them (boundaries) or do something together instead of ‘hanging’
    I really needed this, and I’ll start applying them today 🙂
    Also, asking for help every day. I put it on the list that I read in the morning, to remind myself that it’s a gift for someone else to help me.
    Thank you so much, Kate and Marie!!

  22. Biggest takeaway was at the very end…. I am enough. Let everything that I am, in any given day be enough. Hearing it in your voice, Kate, means so much even though I’ve heard it many times. Excellent pick for a passage from the book, Marie. Two of my favorites to learn from in the same place, what a wonderful way to start my day! Thank you ladies!!

  23. Let it me enough! Because the world needs you here. LOVE this!
    We are all enough, we do enough, we have enough, there is enough.

  24. Tonia

    Thank you so much for everything you do to help us all out. I am especially thankful for this video! The last segment of this video really hit home for me. I was actually brought to tears. I was diagnosed with Congestive Heart Failure almost exactly a year ago (right before my second baby was born), and I am finding that I have to revamp…well…everything. I still want to be able to do everything, to keep all the balls juggling, and to be in control. I cannot. My husband wants me to do less. I want to stay productive, feel a productive part of society (whatever that means). That last segment you asked Kate to read just hit me so hard. The important part is for me to be here.
    I realize doing less, is going to be so much more beneficial for everyone. I still want to feel like I am doing…something. I want to feel like I am still a healer, that I am still offering my gifts. How do I continue to do that by doing less?
    I am really looking forward to picking up Kate’s book.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      We’re so glad this episode was helpful, Tonia! We definitely encourage you to take care of your health and do what you need to do to feel your best. That’s the most important thing, though beyond that Kate’s message is about doing fewer of the things you don’t enjoy so you can do more of what you do enjoy. It’s about doing what matters instead of trying to do it all. We hope this helps!

  25. Love this topic as I am a 61 yr old, on my 3rd act and there are things that I do NOT want to do….social media marketing, website building and content. I love to be organized and one on one conversations! So I have hired people to do the things I cringe at. Less stress and the life I want is to simplify and get rid of the old that ties me down and sucks my energy. Thank you again for such a powerful topic. Love Love Love you…!!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s so smart, Nancy! It’s hard for one person to do it all, so not being afraid to get help when you need it is key to growth. 🙂

  26. Cindy A Gonzalez

    I think the book’s title limits the audience to thinking this is only for moms, but it’s not. I hadn’t bought it, because of it, but listening to Kate and yourself, makes the purchase a must.
    It’s not just for moms; it’s for all women and men. I’m an OCD To Do List Maker That Never Gets Done. Too many of those days has snowballed into delay in my book release, calls to create the next step in the research and interviews for my new book and documentary, and overweight. At 57, I am learning that I can multi-task my day, without multitasking every hour of that day.
    I loved the three questions to evaluate a To Do List, and the idea of putting away the Tick-Tock mentality.

  27. Carol McGregor

    Wow, this interview affected me sooo much! The thing that really struck home, and kind of stung, was thinking I had to do everything was kind of egotistical. And disempowered the people I interact with. I knew this on some level, but my need to be and do all just overpowered it.
    I ordered the book before the interview was done. Thank you so much to both of you!


  28. Thank you for this invite.
    You both are the 2 wonderfuls of my day so far.
    Everything said is so ‘on point’. And needs to be h e a r d.
    Here are 2 exercises ( for lack of a better word ) you might try:
    1. Eliminate from this video the hand movements, and it might surprise you
    that that is the vital (20% more) where the (80% less) is now gone.
    2. These logos, inspired by both you and Kate, and any similar logos might be fun
    and provocative in helpful ways. For example on a T shirt or wherever:
    – less ing is a bless ing: more ing is chore ing and just plain bore ing
    – less is best so give more a rest (this one smacks of Seth Godin does it not?)
    My 2 cents worth added to your goldmine topic.
    Lorna M.

    • omg! These logos / statements would be amazing on a shirt for entrepreneurs and other working people!
      They sound awesome!

  29. Laura

    I have the book since it launched and I have been procrastinating reading it because I guess I have been too busy. No more busy-ness. I’m starting TODAY. I love BOTH of you. What a perfect combination. Can’t wait for Everything is Figureoutable.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Right on, Laura! We hope you enjoy the book as much as we did. 🙂

  30. Preeti T

    Wonderful topic! I would just add that after you have given your best, also take the time to enjoy the fruits of your labor. Don’t jump onto the next thing just because. Looking forward to reading the book!

  31. Leslie

    Marie, Thank you for introducing me to all these great books and authors. So inspiring! Loved the Pareto Principle – mind blowing! And the Vital Few – got me thinking about mine. I relate to much of what Kate talked about and I can’t wait to read her book. ???

  32. Hi, Marie,

    Coincidentally, I decided to let myself “off the hook” a few days ago. I listen too much to the voice in my head that thinks I always need to do more and do it better. I decided to give myself a break and see what would happen. This conversation reinforced the wisdom of my choice and gave me even more to think about going forward.

    My favorite part of the interview were the words at the very end from Kate’s book read beautifully by Kate. I’ve never known if what I do in life is enough. How does a person know if they’ve done their best? This is a puzzle I may never solve, but meanwhile, I’m embracing a more relaxed approach to living and I’m taking everything less seriously. So nice to feel encouraged in that adventure. Thank you!


  33. You both made my day! This advice was just what this overwhelmed business owner and grandmother and summer child caregiver for 13 year old needed. We are on our way to the book store to spend some time there and look for your new book (my excuse). No guilt – no shame.

  34. “Ask for help kindly, early, and often” was the huge take away for me. I realized that my customers are actually my partners and they would love to be asked for help. My business is to bring older people into the design process. I kept seeing them as people in need of help but that’s the same trap that got us a all these products that fail to delight older people. My customer is actually the entrepreneur with the product idea and my older folks (who I also am!) are my partners. What a delight to think of helping each other like the neighbors Kate described instead of me tap dancing fast enough to impress people into participating in my surveys and focus groups. Wow! Thanks Kate and Marie!

  35. Sarah

    I love Marie TV and pretty much drop everything to watch when the email arrives in my in box. Recently I promised myself that I would no loner define myself as “Busy”. In my life when you ask people how they are doing, myself included, you get “OH! I’m so busy! It’s making me crazy/stressed/nuts.” I have two teenagers, three maybe five part time jobs (depending on how you look at things) and it IS a busy time, but I know I can be in control of some of the useless busyness. I still gripe, but I’m going to make a big effort to define myself using some other word. Years ago, when my kids were very young, I kept my To Do list on a Steno pad, a habit left over from my last full time job. I would write things down on the list AFTER I did them just to prove TO MYSELF that I was doing things. Even basic things like, “go to the store”. The list was ENORMOUS and would take months to finish even if I never put one more item on it. So what did I do? I threw it out. The whole thing. In the trash. I think I unconsciously started asking myself the three questions: Does this need to be done? Does this need to be done now? and Does this need to be done my me? #3 still gives me a hard time, still haven’t dropped the reins yet, but that’s my next goal.

  36. This was amazing! Wow! So inspirational! Thanks to Marie and her friend! Need to get this book!!!!! ASAP!

    Will share this with my friends as well.

  37. Margaret

    So so loved this – and I can identify with what Kate shared about no longer attending award ceremonies which made her feel inadequate and how it’s almost competitive to be busy busy busy. I was probably the same when I was younger but now I’m in my late fifties I’m so much more about having joy and balance in my life. As a counsellor and coach I so recognize as Maria said how people use ‘busyness’ to avoid issues and emotions. Thank you again I feel more validated in my own opinions and ethos. <3

  38. LOVED THIS SO MUCH!!!! I have been having a hard time getting rid of things because “they” whoever they are. Say I should do them even when they are not giving me the results I want.

    • Emily - Team Forleo

      Yay Leah! It is so tempting to feel the need to do more but way to recognize and redirect your energies. You inspire us!

  39. As a 62 year old that rarely cries, the closing reading of her book by Kate made me cry.
    Being here is enough. Thanks, I needed that.

  40. What a great episode! I run a program that helps low income folks become financially stable through small business ownership. One of the hardest things for low income entrepreneurs to shake is the “busyness” cycle. To receive and stay on benefits, they have to keep jumping through institutional set hurdles and stay “busy”. When they switch to becoming entrepreneurs and leaders for their businesses, they have a very difficult time taking or making the time to become the visionary and take control of the growth of their businesses and their lives.
    Great to learn some tips to share with them-THANK YOU!

  41. <3
    I definitely feel like our environment, especially those situations we organise for ourselves (like choosing to go to that conference) is HUGE. And equally, that links to the end where it takes a village to raise… humans, in my eyes. We are a social species! So true to think about the environment, and notice it's impact on our energy too.
    In my mentorship work, I often observe the remnants from trauma, and the perfectionism, the self-doubt, the busy-ness is such a powerful numbing / coping mechanism.
    Energy drains are my main productivity hack. The + and – of energy with each task, thought and transition. Like a battery, some things refuel us, and others drain us. Noticing and taking note of those is so useful to planning your life and managing your energy throughout the day.

    And in case you need to hear it:
    Whoever you are, You Are Enough.

    • Emily - Team Forleo

      Wow, Katy, we love this so much! How thoughtful of you to share that message. We so appreciate you and we love that productivity hack!!

  42. Julia PB

    Loved the interview – it was a refreshing reminder of the power and gift of asking and also of receiving. I work in an industry – theater – based on collaboration. However, many of my peers are worn out – like many entrepreneurs, there’s always more to do and resources can feel scarce. I’ve had the good fortune the past several years to team with women gifted in connecting with others, and in finding and in sharing resources. It’s helped me by example to build my own ‘ask’ muscle, increased my productivity, improved my outcomes, and connected me with others more profoundly as we amplify our skills and talents through one another. Thank you both for the profound reminder that busy isn’t the sole imperative.

  43. Clare Smith

    This was the first thing I learned when I first met my husband. I would redo things he had already done, like cleaning the bathroom. He said to me one day, “if you’re going to redo do it every time, I just won’t bother helping any more”.
    Talk about a real awakening!
    I stopped that shit right away! Now he does a way better job than I ever would, so it was a win, win!!
    Amazing interview! I love all of Marie’s guests.

    • Emily - Team Forleo

      Ha! We love that story, Clare. Thanks for sharing. So smart and such a simple way to “do less” in a meaningful, productive way. (And cheers to not having to clean the bathroom!)

  44. Thank you both for an amazing interview! I’m getting the book today! I’ve just opened my first business and am pulled in a million directions, but this gives me hope and I feel more focused already. I will delegate what I can and focus on my Vitals 🙂
    Thanks again!

  45. Cindi

    I set a timer to finish work this afternoon… when it goes off, I am done for the day. I start my days waking up at 3:50am and I work from 430-230pm. It is a long day and very difficult and often depressing to come home to do paperwork. So I have decided to set a timer and be okay with what I DO accomplish, rather than fret over where I leave off.

    Thank you, I am going to go read in 14 minutes!
    xo Cindi

  46. You know when you need to have something reinforced. Whoop there it is. I have my own business and I have worked very hard the last many years at it. There have been a lot of ups and downs and we are still here and for the first time, maybe we are about to thrive.

    I won’t go into details, but it has been a rough couple years, a lot of loss, disappointment, as well as almost losing my business. I have had depression my whole life and have always been able to manage through best practices and a healthy approach to life. Well, this time I pulled so far down that I couldn’t get out. Could be a combination of the stress of the last couple years, hormones, adrenal. who knows, point being I am where I am.

    The conversation I have been having with myself, is exactly the topic today. I particularly loved the end. Right now, I need some part-time off. And wherever I am and whatever I am doing today, is enough.

    Thank you for the beautiful reminder and I look forward to reading your book.

  47. I have listened to Kate before thru Hay House’s World Summit and she really gives great tips. I can so relate to her doing less= more attitude as that is me all the time! This message was perfect for today as I meditated on this topic and am taking a new approach this year with my career. Thank you Kate and Marie. You both would be awesome to hang with! Will have some reading to do with both your books!!

  48. Debra Harkness

    This is the first time i have listened and heard of Kate’s book. I will be watching regularly and will be ordering Kate’s book, I hope I can get it in Australia. I love her take and advice on where are and who are your energy drains. I will be taking this and applying it and it has also helped me have more clarity on some of my current relationships that I have been struggling with. I have been feeling distance but maybe it is just a sign that it is time to move on and focus more on the things that fill my cup and that I don’t have to be the person that is there to always listen to others woes. It has also helped me look at myself and how I come across in my side of relationships to others.
    very inspirational listen and is assisting me to step into some of my fears and start moving to a new working chapter.
    thanks and I look forward to getting your boo.k and reading it Kate. Cheers Debbie

  49. Emily M Masterson

    I’m not even a mom, and this video was everything that i needed to hear. Currently needing to hone my focus only to the things that bring me light and joy across my work, relationships and life! Thanks for the tips!

  50. This vid was so invaluable and thank you! ? it really helps a busy mind stay organized and productive. It hit every spot on my get balanced wish list. Loved it ? – I took away the confirmation of asking for more help. nyla xoxo ?

  51. Thank you!! I love listening in/watching your show! So helpful, inspiring, validating, eye opening… World changing!
    Funny enough, I so relate to her thought l and overall processes. I’m identifying myself in the last 6 months as well as different parts of my life. It’s wonderful and validating.
    I’m very excited to get the book and already spreading the Word out on my social media platforms.
    Takeaways: we can do everything, we just don’t HAVE TO do everything. Actively listening to friends who’ve been draining your energy and posing the question back to them, so that they become their own voice of reason is something I weirdly decided to do back in ’97! Now the friendship focuses on the fun and silliness – what drew us close to begin with.
    I practice this often and with my 3 kids: take a step back (with success and fail/learning lesson) and ask yourself “what’s the big picture here? ”
    Great show as usual Marie! ?

  52. That last part where she reads a passage from her book was the biggest insight! YOU ARE ENOUGH! IT IS ALL ENOUGH! I loved that. Because boy, does life seem like it needs you to be more and this new shift in mindset is so important! Thank you so much for this interview it was exactly what I needed to hear today. Thank you so much for sharing, doing, and being you!

  53. The relief I feel in my body after hearing those last words was incredible…let it be enough. I am going to work on planning my week and remembering it is enough. I am enough. Thank you Kate & Marie

  54. Christine Ripley

    So many take aways from this episode. 1. I have been tying myself in knots trying to get it all done 2. I don’t know how and have not taught my children how to ask for help 3. There is still time to breath. 4. figure out the 20% and put your energy there now. Thank you to you Kate & Marie.
    Sending Love and Lightening in a Bottle

  55. Lissette Cuadra

    I also just cut my work in half, I have a 3 year old, and 9month old twins, I want to start my Bakery, and these things I cant do with a full time Management Job. This episode helped me reasure and find peace with my decision and enjoy the vital moments, talents, space I have with my loved ones and my most important projects. Thanks Marie!

  56. I Loved this! Ask for help and often! Is such a beautiful thing and not to be redundant, but yeah, helpful! I need tons of help in getting my online business going. I’m paying my domaine monthly and I’m lost? I have so much to offer but I feel overwhelmed, and on top of it my man is freaking out about money and instead of helping the situation he aggravates it. Kate thank you for your inspiring words that we are enough. You are amazing! Thank you Marie and Kate❣️
    I Love You Guys❣️??✌?????♥️?

    Ps- I will definitely buy the book❣️

    • Thanks for sharing Camille! Yes, asking for help can see like one of the hardest things to do if we let it… even though most people want to help and feel honored when we ask! Thank you so much for the support and we hope you love the book 🙂

  57. WOW. I want to tweet every sentence of this interview. I did B-School 2019 (well, started at least, still a work in progress) and my major breakthrough came right at the beginning, when I realised I really HAD to seriously rationalise my activities and “do less”. I totally recognized myself in Marie’s “multipassionate” type with ideas jumping around and making more babies like rabbits. So it was a tough decision to “take the risk” to not be busy all the time and let go of some of my activities. I know how this sounds but let’s say I am a “busy” junkie in rehab.
    So, thank you Kate for the precious advice, I will now add “is this contributing to 80% of my business” or “is this contributing to 80% of my fulfilment” to my Excel spreadsheet assessment, made after Marie’s module.
    One question though: I noticed I am more productive when I have little time (not because of a baby but because I run too many projects at the same time). Makes sense so far, but when I do less, as a result I free up time, and so I end up doing the same things taking more time. So I’m basically less productive, which I try not to hate but still do… How do you deal with this paradox (without making a baby)?

  58. Denielle

    Great episode! Really appreciate the discussion about asking for help and acknowledging it’s OK to ask; I may help someone out and at some point would benefit from help myself and it’s all good. Great reminder!

  59. Loved everything about this interview thank you so much!!! Especially the last quote on being enough. I want everyone to hear those words spoken to them because I feel like the world needs to know it!!!
    I am consciously trying to do less, and constantly feeling the world pushing against this and me, so this really just helps support my instinct and actions at the moment so thank you for that!

  60. Sue

    Loved this and will go buy the book!! I can relate to this so much

  61. After watching this video (that magically started on it’s own the other morning 🙂 I went to Amazon, bought the book and started reading while anxiously awaiting the doorstep delivery.
    I am a B-schooler, Copy Cure student, lover of Marie Forleo and Gabby Bernstein and happily adding Kate Northrup to this list!
    I’m a newly remarried, late in life lezzi, mother of two hustling ‘ERY day to fulfill those ingrained matras of ‘keeping a roof over our heads’ by running two businesses.
    I was a stay at home, military wife for most of my adult life until I made a major life change and decided to be true to ME and live my life for ME! In doing that I for the first time in my life had to make my own money and support me! I hadn’t had to do that since college. I left my X and walked away from much of what I was financially deserved after about a 20 year relationship and marriage. Talk about scary.
    Now I am running my own small, private personal training company as well as a burgeoning 100% Gluten-Free and Soy Free bakery. The whole world tells you “no breaks! Work MORE! Work harder! Don’t sleep! Work EVEN more. If you don’t work hard you’ll have nothing!!!” I see my clients and friends live this life and I fell prey to it in a big, big way! THEN:
    Thank God, the Universe and the Goddess herself that I found the women above who are saying what I felt in my core “there is a better way….you don’t have to kill yourself to be successful! There is no shame in working less and being able to accomplish more, lose that roof over your head bullshit”.
    While I am only a full chapter into the book it has lit another new fire next to the fires lit by Marie and Gabby! I’m beyond thankful! I know in learning all of this, implementing it and teaching my daughter’s (14+11) we can raise happier people and change the world one woman at a time!!!
    Much love as ALWAYS!
    Stacy Franco

  62. Benson Modie

    Great wisdom as always, thank you very much. I do try to organize my life on the basis of the 20/80 Rule or Pareto Principle by focusing on my “vital few”. However, it sometimes creates difficulties or conflicts with others as most seem to be immersed in the “trivial many” things, which commonly are appealing and exciting, but with little impact. Yes, “less is more”……I like that, and thanks again for the inspiration.

  63. I would like to do less coddling our children. My daughters are 20, 17 & 14, it is time for them to cook & clean up after themselves. Also get better at saying No to others and saying Yes to me. Family& clients are slowly sucking my energy out of my body.

    Love the part about changing the dance. I did that 1 1/2 years ago & the results were great. Somehow I am back to the old dance & it is not working again for me.

  64. Shashi

    I was most struck by the last passage that Kate read about being enough. That’s the reminder I need all of the time. Very powerful.

    • Renee – Team Forleo

      So true, Shashi. And yes, you are enough!

  65. As a new mom of twin boys I SOOO related to “What the hell was I doing with the rest of my time?”

    I loved it!

    It’s so unexpected that motherhood was the accelerator of my business with less hours working and more happy clients. I just learned what were the essential things that really mattered personally and professionally and focused on those.

    Sounds dimple but IT IS NOT!

    Hell yes!
    for doing less.

  66. What I am learning right now is that I need to put in the upfront time to look at this 80/20 rule and how it runs in my life. I am afraid that I have gotten so busy I have lost track of what are the most important things…just finding space to re-prioritize and then remind myself of those things often feels like it would be a big first step.

  67. Julia

    Thank you both so much. It was just such a relief listening to this.

    The biggest insight I got was (this is not a new one though, it’s something I really need to remind myself of) to put my energy into those things that actually light me up. Also to let go of control and allow myself to receive help with the things that do not light me up (and believe that I’m worthy that help).

    I just had a insight 2-3 days ago about how much of my attention goes to details that don’t really matter. I know that it’s because I’m so used to overthinking. I’m used to getting a sense of worth by how perfect everything seems to be. So I’m really committing to filling my well from the inside and embodying that I’m worthy just by simple being. I don’t NEED to do anything in reality. I WANT to do it. I feel that it’s important to switch from NEED which is draining because we feel like we don’t have a choice, to WANT which empowers us and reminds us that we always have a choice.

    Such beautiful work you’re doing! So much love to you ??

    • Renee – Team Forleo

      Thank you so much for sharing this lightbulb moment with us, Julia! You’re absolutely right – “need” implies we don’t have control over our actions. When we WANT or CHOOSE our next step, there’s no inner conflict, and that takes a ton of pressure off. Thank you for sharing!

  68. Yuli

    Excelente entrevista!

  69. Important episode. Thank you.
    I’m glad I heard it… I’ll be listening to it more time/I’ll be coming back to it (why not?).
    Important for me: ‘ask for help kindly’ and ‘the world needs you here and it’s enough’.

  70. Thanks, Marie. I love the last quote. “The world doesn’t need you busy. The world needs you here”. This what I can do and appreciate otherd doing for me. Be present.

    • Renee – Team Forleo

      So true, Lena! The world needs YOU! Thank you for sharing your heart with us.

  71. Another blogger pointed me to your site, I’ m so thankful she did! I have been a blogger trying to monetize the last 5 years and be an entrepreneur. Although I have good does not seem to happen. I am constantly chasing the latest platform, app, affiliate etc..and none of it is leading me to monetize . It also has put me on serious tech overload causing stress and anxiety. I have some orthopedic health problems ( shoulders etc) impeding my progressing at fast rate.
    So relating to your content..thanks for sharing your story!

    • Renee – Team Forleo

      Yay! We’re so glad you found Marie, Valerie. We’re delighted to have you in our world. xoxo

  72. Really True, I am very happy to see this episode.

  73. Tim Condo

    I have been divorced just over a year from an ex who left me with no warning for another man. We share custody of our two young sons so I have to interact with my ex on a weekly basis. The idea of “changing the dance” hit me like a truck. It was an “ah-ha” moment for sure. It really set me thinking what can I change in our interactions that will force her to not revert to being negative towards me. I also took away the “protective bubble” as well. I now feel able to protect my energies when I have to interact with my ex. Thank you

    • Thanks for sharing Tim. We love hearing the positive changes you’re making to take care of you and your children. That takes bravery and we applaud you!

  74. I absolutely love that this is being promoted here. As a business leader, entrepreneur, and Mom, I find that doing less really does allow me to do more too! It allows me to hear myself, find time to get in touch with what is inside, and really go for the marathon of what matters vs. the “hurry, hurry, and get that accomplished thing” mindset. I have always been turtle slow and they say the turtle vs. the hare, the turtle wins the race 🙂

  75. Joshua

    This was a very eye opening interview, the biggest thing that I took away from it was to look at the industry from a different perspective, listen to those who don’t like what I have to offer and see what I can do that would appeal to them. I’m going to ask a few of these individuals this weekend what turns them away from the shop. They say that we are all one in a million, from that perspective at least a million other people will share their opinion. I’ll keep you posted on my results!

  76. Yes! Ask for help!

  77. Ellie

    I’ve been binge watching Marie tv for the last couple of hours because I got sunk today. This interview has pulled me out of it and I thank you both, Marie and Kate! The part that is most relevant for me today is where Kate talks about the annual direct sales convention and how she leaves feeling awful and a failure even though her life is good. I keep seeing others in my profession doing more and more and working hard with long days and lots of clients. and I have days with no clients (and in my saner moments I recognize this as the gift it is) but because I don’t have the gobs of clients they have, I’ve been feeling like a failure. I really need that inoculation from the ick vibe. Thanks for the reminder that I know my biz model is different and that I’m working smarter not harder. What is that about anyway? I often wonder why I feel the need to work hard, that my only way of being valuable is if I work really hard?

    • Jennifer - Team Forleo

      You did the right thing tuning in, Ellie, so glad that it pulled you out of your funk. It’s totally understandable to feel that way sometimes and it’s great to hear this conversation gave you the perspective and boost you needed!

  78. Linda

    Thank you Kate and Marie! I am currently at almost a year recovering from a medical trauma that changed my life in a day. It was amazing my household functioned without my micromanaging them! You bring to life the lessons I am currently realizing. Since the medical trauma I have not been able to drive myself anywhere and have had to ask for help. Relationships have grown closer and old friends offer to still even bring dinner after months of healing. I have a prayer circle on my phone where we ladies can pray and support each other that started with them praying for me. My networks have grown. Best takeaway.. I am not less valuable because I cannot drive and be independent at this current time so I am not going to feel down about it anymore. I am just going to ask, have it delivered, and pursue my dreams at home while I heal. Goals like setting up my website and taking your better writing course. Thank you. This is my first time watching and new to your website family. I buying both books so I can “do less” and “figureoutable” the way to accomplish my
    other aspirations. By the way, I am one of those musicians who can focus for 4-5 hours! I just need to be only doing the 20%!

  79. Sarah Y

    I totally agree with managing my energy than managing time. When I do manage my energy, things tend to follow through with time.

  80. You can never do enough in my personal opinion in your side hustle journey to achieving side hustle millionaire status. Less working on a day is more financial freedom for you when you work more for yourself. 🙂

  81. Being busy is not the same as being productive. Thank you ladies!

  82. Gerald Wels

    Great interview! Taking control over “your time” is crucial to live the life you want. I agree that in the end it’s about identifying what goals are truly important to you and how to best manage the energy (and time) to go after it. You need a plan. And a plan requires milestones, so you can hold yourself accountable on your progress.

  83. Hello! and Thank you!
    I’ve had this episode saved and flagged in my inbox for months and today was the day it called me.
    My biggest insights from this episode are:
    – Align my “vital few” with my priorities and be OK with it!
    – Productivity Alignment and the 3 Qs: “Does this need to be done…”
    – I like the weekly priority management.
    – Reminder about Energetic Bubble. Kate referred to this with relationships, and I like it for everything. What is the energetic space I want to reside in, and remind myself to set myself up with that every day.

    How to turn it into action?
    – Weekly planning and alignment. I fall in and out of this routine, but practicing it more consistently again will be my action item. Sometimes I make it monthly and while monthly is a good high level view, the motivation switches as the weeks evolve and new info comes to light. Daily is OK, but for me daily is more about an energetic space than specific check list – sometimes of course the day requires a specific checklist, but honoring the “week” is a good reminder.

    Heather Mc.

    • Jennifer - Team Forleo

      You’re all over it, Heather, well done! Keep up the great work!

  84. I am very happy to see this post.

  85. majedar paheliyan

  86. best motivate to me

  87. What an inspiring article! You know, I think there are two parallel issues at play here. One is that, in the equally pressure AND distraction filled world we live in, productivity is truly hampered by two things. We compare ourselves unfairly to society! As presented by the photoshopped internet – and we put unrealistic expectations upon ourselves. Secondly, the very same pressurising factor of the online world distracts us from achieving what we could, without the distraction of going down social media wormholes or playing addictive online games.
    The second thing at play, is that we actually DO so much more than we think! I watched the most amazing video about a year ago…some women basically chastising herself for not having done ANYthing that day…while in the background a silent list scrolls up of all the “invisible” things she did do. Dropping kids off, planning meals, organising an entire family’s schedules, worrying about her parents, making a supermarket list…not the stuff of prize-winners, but still time-consuming menial daily tasks. Just because they’re not exciting, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t give ourselves a big pat on the back for having ticked those chores off!

    Great post though, thank you! :=)

  88. Katia

    My actionable step – to make a schedule for next week and ask myself these three questions. if not needed to be done – cross it out and chill.
    If needs to be done but not by me – delegate

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