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Chances are if you’re human, you’ve felt overworked. Like there’s never enough time and you’re stretched to the max.

When you’ve got big dreams and you’re juggling deadlines, work, health and family — the last thing you want to hear is about the benefit of slowing down. But here’s the thing. Innovative breakthroughs rarely happen when you’re burned out.

My best ideas often appear in ordinary or even playful moments. They rarely (if ever) happen when I’m trying to force them. Nor do they appear when I’m in hyper-focused-got-to-get-it-done mode.

But making time for self-care strategies is easier said than done though, right?

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Latham Thomas, author of Own Your Glow, is here to help. My dear friend and celebrity wellness guru was inspired to write her latest book after watching so many women prioritize everyone and everything above themselves — to the detriment of their own health and mission in the world.

Latham is no stranger to having a crazy-busy schedule. She runs her own business, has been named one of Oprah’s Super Soul 100 and one of Mind Body Green’s Top 100 Women to Watch in Wellness. And, she’s done it all while raising her young son as a single mom.

In today’s episode of MarieTV, we cover:

  • A surprising and much needed upgrade on the popular, “Fake it till you make it” mantra
  • 3 powerful questions to ask yourself when debating whether to prune something (or someone) out of your life
  • The #1 way to reboot and reset yourself while you’re deep in work-mode
  • Why giving yourself white space is key to growing to your next level

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After you’ve listened to this episode, Latham and I would love to hear from you.

What’s the single biggest insight you’re taking away from today’s conversation and how can you turn that insight into action right now? If you’ve got more than one, fantastic.

Let me know by leaving a comment below.

Remember, share as much detail as possible in your reply. Thousands of incredible souls come here each week for insight and inspiration and your observation may help someone else have a meaningful breakthrough.

Important: share your thoughts and ideas directly in the comments. Links to other posts, videos, etc. will be deleted as they come across as spammy.

And don’t forget…

Self-care isn’t just some airy fairy, self-indulgent concept. It’s a core component to becoming your most joyful, creative and effective self. Not to mention, you’ll be enormously more patient and present with family and friends, too.

This is about less force and more flow; less stress, more synchronicity. When you’re able to do that dance of hustle and flow, you’re less likely to get sick and more able to make the difference you were born to make.

As always — thanks for reading, watching and sharing. The conversations that happen here are true nourishment for my soul.

With tons of love,

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  1. Marie, Latham’s book is yet another one I’m getting as a consequence of listening to your chats with yet another super inspiring person! – And yes, I am getting them AND reading them…
    Plan for play! I love this! It’s such a great idea since I think it’s an effective way to get rid of procrastination! Instead of procrastinating and feeling guilty after… planning to play means having something to look forward to! Also, if combined with an objective, something like “this is what I will have achieved by 12 noon, so that I can have a long lunch and something something after”, it can be even more powerful!

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Anca, we’re so glad that your library is filling up with such inspiring reading material! I love your insight on how ‘planning for play’ can help tamper feelings of procrastination and guilt. When you plan to take a break, to refuel, to have fun, then you’re giving yourself permission to dream even more! Have a great time implementing this idea.

    • What a great idea to give yourself a reward for hitting your goals. Sometimes you need that little sweetness at the end of work. I need to do that way more.

  2. My Great Gramma taught me something I use daily that resonates with your message today Marie. When I wake up in the morning I pause, breathe, and remind myself: There is nothing that God and I can’t do together today.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      What a beautiful reminder passed down from your Great Gramma; thanks for sharing Pam!

  3. Susie

    This was super. Love what Latham has to self about self-determination, responsibility and getting over the excuses we write for ourselves.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Yay Susie! We’re thrilled that this episode resonated so deeply with you. Feel free to come back and listen to it again whenever you need a reminder.

  4. Oh yesssss, selfcare and play… I struggle with that sooo much: my mother educated me by saying: “you’ll play when your work is finished!!!” So I work work work to please her. But there’s never time to play, because the work is never finished!!! Isn’t it? 🙁 So it took untill I was 40 years old to stop and try to please and do my own business… Now I draw a lot when I feel stuck. By making drawings it’s like meditation: it’s playing and it creates new connections in the brain. Loved this podcast. Thank you so much ?

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      We’re so glad that you’ve found such a helpful outlet Barbara! It can be a challenge to pinpoint those places where we’ve been ‘living our life according to someone else’s rules’, but once you’ve found them, learning to write your own rules can become a game itself.

      I love hearing that you’re making space for play, and that drawing is helping you create even more connections!

  5. One of the best ways I play is through connecting in nature, art, music and beauty. It really revives me, even if only for a few moments. Thanks for the reminder! “It’s ALL a process.”

  6. Girls, this message NEEDS to be shared. I was the “essence” of #thehustle for too many years and felt lost, frustrated, scared and oh so tired! Over and over I struggled to find the elusive balance and spent years self-shaming. Many people around me struggled to find ways of communicating what I needed in a loving way. Messages I heard about my drive and ambition, which usually leaned towards a judgmental perspective, weren’t coming from a place of love and therefore I could not hear them. Latham’s message is honoring me while sharing “actionable tools” (lol, see what my do’er brain did there). Thank you, Marie and team, for this interview. Lerv

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Kimber, we’re so glad that this message is coming at a beautiful time, and in a helpful, loving way for you. Latham has a real gift for honoring and acknowledging that both relentless drive and restorative play exist in all of us. We love that you’re leaning into the latter now (have fun implementing those actionable steps!), and sharing your story with more women!

  7. I was so inspired by this conversation! I loved the idea of “faith it ’til you make it.” Recently, I have decided to deepen my spiritual practice- going to church, reading spiritual texts, and seeking like minded people. I think this journey into spirituality is about connecting to faith in a brand new way. So the idea of “faith it ’til you make it” really spoke to me. I see faith as step one, everything else follows suite.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      What a beautiful take-away Darcy! We’re so glad Latham’s words are bringing you even more solace and comfort, helping you go deeper into your spiritual journey. We’re wishing you even more good vibes moving forward.

  8. I really love the message about, “tune into yourself and what you need for your business. Why does someone else know what your business needs?” It’s funny because this is stuff that we learn on other levels, or in different categories of life. To take that back in and own that our intuition or reading of what we need to be or do according to the intuition system that is our body – wow. I needed this today. I’ve been feeling some tension trying to navigate my next steps. Granting yourself the permission, or better yet, empowerment – to listen to yourself is powerful, especially when the need to take some necessary risks arises that other people who are not connected to the project just don’t feel.

  9. I love how Latham Thomas expresses that she punctuates her day with play. Being playful is Bliss.
    Also lately, I came to an Aha! moment about taking responsibility. I am erasing “I’m sorry” from my vocabulary. What is done is done. Now, what can I do better? How can I make it up? I move on lightly within the consciousness of following on better. It is powerful!

    I never liked that fake it until you make it either. It always sounded phony to me. I love that twist with “Faith It”.

  10. This beautiful interview is very timely for me right now! I’ve found that the more I trusted that everything will be okay, no matter what happens with my business, and the less pressure I put on it, the more it seems to work. This same theme has recently been coming up for many of my clients — they’ve been telling me how the more they allow themselves to ‘let go’ and be more in the flow, the more their dreams are taking off, particularly with dating!


    • Hailey - Team Forleo

      Awesome, Alexis! We’re so glad this message connected with you at the perfect moment. It sounds like you’re already implementing some of these powerful practices and we hope they continue to spark some inspiring conversations with your clients. Thanks for sharing!

  11. Thank you Marie & Team for sharing this lovely message and interview with Latham Thomas. Of course I always LOVE when you highlight a woman of color’s story! And I love that you’re reminding us of self-care AND play. That’s so rare these days. I often talk about self-care through journaling, but also creative self-expression in general is so important. People think creativity is just for kids. But play, rebooting our energy and our souls, being creative, and self-care is all entwined together. Thank you both for modeling strong, powerful, female lives! Go us!!

  12. Melissa Claverie

    Listening to this on my way into work, wow! What a great message from Latham. When I became a mother for the second time, birthing a daughter, I began to recognize the importance of not just listening to your body but honoring and respecting the messages your body sends. I’m relearning so much I have forgotten by watching her honor her emotions, assert her beliefs and be true to herself.

    • Hailey - Team Forleo

      Beautiful, Melissa! Motherhood can sometimes feel like holding a mirror in front of yourself, and it sounds like your daughter is reflecting the strong example you’re setting for her. Thanks so much for sharing!

  13. This episode was helpful because Latham appears to truly understand the juggling act of balancing responsibility and fun. I feel encouraged to insert the fun back into my day!

  14. Latham’s voice is so calm and soothing. Combine that with the messages she shared and I got one powerful episode. “Born on Mission” and “constructing your life following other people’s rules” were huge for me. Those two things have been at odds in my world. Pleasing others is a learned survival skill. It can become a sickness that stunts your life and growth. Latham gave me the answer too! Put on your big girl pants and be the real you, follow your truth. I’m just over the moon with what I heard today. I can’t wait to listen to it again later. Thank you for such valuable interviews, they really are life changing.

    • Hailey - Team Forleo

      Wow, Stephanie! We’re glad Latham’s message resonated so deeply with you and hope these powerful insights continue to spark some new ideas for you. I listened to this interview twice already myself, and have a feeling it’ll be one I refer back to often. Thanks for tuning in!

  15. Wow Incredible as always on point. I’m a bit of a seven day a week work person, for I don’t know, since high school. I’m 54. With my new business, Christine Kowal Animal Family, I want to have balance, this weekend. I did not work, I was still feeling a little guilty this morning, but no more.
    And I am definitely one of those people that I need to constantly be throwing in walks with my dogs, time with the Animals, connecting to my higher power. I was recently baptized and have found a wonderful new church, which is very important to me. God and Jesus give me all the good stuff I need to hear. It feels really good. Creating a balanced life where I can give more and feel better and receive more. Thank you. It has been beautiful for me to hear this right now.
    Love and Light Christine Kowal and The Animals

  16. Is it ok to cry, everytime I hear inspirational women. Both your hearts are so full of courage and supportive insights and of course realtime Fun…love it. Amen to Faith, Amen to dancing like nobody’s watching 🙂

    • Hailey - Team Forleo

      Absolutely, Lisa! Tears of joy can be one of the very best ways to water our “gardens”. Keep shining!

  17. It was an amazing podcast, I definitely will enjoy play more. I sometimes feel bad for wasting time with play. I won’t do that anymore. I am also taking the idea of life being an ongoing process. .. Latham says ‘you know’ a lot… I just want to say: – I’m starting to know, that I don’t know so much and that is fine 🙂 Thank for a great conversation! Love, From Michelle

  18. Elizabeth Rainbolt

    This topic really resonated with my soul. This idea that we are each gardeners and responsible for what we put into our lives and take out of our lives has been something I’ve been trying to work on for quite some time now. My first exposure to this concept was through a talk given by John Bytheway entitled “Weed Your Brain, Grow Your Testimony.” I really started to put this in the practice in my life starting in 2011. I am a seeker of truth and I appreciate finding it no matter what the source.


    I am going to “ruffle the feathers” and “faith it till I make it” !!!!!

    • Hailey - Team Forleo

      Heck yes, Theresa! We’ll be there right alongside you.

  20. My single biggest insight from today’s conversation was finding solutions while playing. I love that and am going to start right now.

    Thanks Marie and Latham. So much love in this podcast.

    The other thing I try to do is to find solutions whilst doing “mindless activities”. While I’m folding laundry; doing dishes; vacuuming etc I try to go into a meditative mind set and solutions often come through.

  21. Michelle

    Thank you for introducing me to yet another wonderful and inspiring soul. I am excited to check out Latham’s book for even more insights! There were already so many nuggets of wisdom tucked into this amazingly warm conversation. From reminders of how not to overcomplicate things (I’m so guilty of this) to constructing my life based on other people’s rules. While it’s hard to pick just one, I think my greatest takeaway is to make time to play. Because in my typical “work, work, work” approach, I often don’t leave enough fuel in the tank or time in the day for fun. So fun will now be a priority and not an afterthought or a reward for “someday… when I have more time.”

  22. RK

    I have not heard anything more poignant and relevant to my life at the moment. I snapped on Friday as I am at a day job that I feel exploited when I am trying to have a career as a playwright/screenwriter and I decided that I have very limited time every day and I need to be spending it being happy and creative and there is NO space for lukewarm ‘friends.
    Latham, I rock the I Love Me ring too! Too much serendipity!
    Thank you! xx

  23. Thank you soooo much for this beautiful reminder.
    You guys are all angels.
    It’s a long deep relaxing breath out while soaking in your heartfelt wisdom.
    So thankful to have all of you as my gurus, my loving guiding stars in life!

    • Hailey - Team Forleo

      Thank YOU for sharing such beautiful words, Linh. I totally agree that this interview felt like a restorative yoga session for the soul and I’m so glad this message resonated so deeply with you, too. Thanks for being a light in our world!

  24. this is one of my favorites in a long time! thank you for having latham on. love her vibe and passion for play! mahalo marie!

  25. Wow ~ Latham has provided THE MOST POWERFUL articulation of my relationship with my parents (the trophy – living by the expectations of others). I learned at a very, very early age how to ‘curb my enthusiasm’ and not discuss things I was excited about doing or aiming for, recognizing the patterns of their responses very early on. I got tired of being put down and being told what I was thinking or interested in was ‘dumb’, ‘stupid’, ‘ridiculous’ – at about eight years old I became extremely adept at avoiding those kinds of conversations and filtering my experiences and goals. I am a lover of words, but words like ‘dumb’, ‘stupid’, ‘ridiculous’ – aimed at your life outlook will be death if you let them. At 18 I moved out as soon as I could and now live on the opposite side of the country. And it is only now, over 50 years old, I feel like I can have a frank conversation with them on my next visit – which, as you might imagine, are very rare for obvious reasons – about my life, the way I live it and how I will no longer be ‘filtering’ when relaying my experiences or dreams to them, nor will I continue to accept their judgements like that 8 year old at the dinner table, who was continually shamed for her thoughts and dreams. (That was cathartic and I am in tears.) Thank you for providing the space for this reflection and sharing of experience.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Thank you so much for opening your heart, Dawn. I’m really sorry you had to develop those self-preservation mechanisms and hide your goals and dreams, especially from such a young age when you should be encouraged to be anything you want to be. But I’m glad you didn’t let negativity get you down and that you still have your positivity intact. Your positive outlook and dedication to your dreams is a beautiful asset! Your dreams matter and we believe in you.

    • My heart is with you Dawn. Thank you for sharing your heart so openly. I am holding a picture of you and your family coming to a new place of openness and understanding through your courage and willingness to speak your heart to them. Despite their ‘asleepness’ in discouraging your dreams and ideas, I know that they loved you in the best way they knew how at the time. Perhaps you will find that their hearts (and minds) have opened a bit through the years. It’s never too late for change. Miracles happen. An, Oh, and… I’m so glad you listened to the voice of your own calling: using YOUR VOICE (!!) which is absolutely lovely!

  26. KG

    Inspiring as always! Yes, so many of us were born with the “what will other people think” mantra drilled into our psyche. Thanks for all the reminders!! Great show.

  27. Thank you SO VERY much for this episode. After Ive listened to it, I felt UNDERSTOOD.
    Im a single mom and have started my own business about 1.5 years ago, which’s focused on teaching Ashtanga Yoga as a personal Yoga coach with the focus on self care and creating “room for myself”.
    Often Ive felt confronted with the fact, that “self-care” was a word that lead into a wrong direction. It wasn’t taken seriously – another sort of “self” -thing if not self-ish thing to do. but just recently, Ive realised though Im a wholeheartedly practitioner of Ashtanga Yoga I haven’t internalised self-care for myself, deeply and truthfully. There was the truth.
    I believe strongly in Dr. Maya Angelou’s advice, to live what you teach. So I had to step up and turn some essential to-dos into action, to be reliable to myself. And right there – this episode came in. Im super excited, to have had the chance to get to know Latham and I feel connected to her work. It’s been a great inspiration and Ive researched her work after the episode.

    Thank you so very much, Marie for introducing me to such incredible people.
    I love your work and as a B-schooler, Ive got your encouragements on my mind – every single day!

    love from Portugal.

  28. I have always been honest and followed my own heart. That does not mean that my behavior kept me totally out of trouble – I stayed in a relationship more than once, that was not good for me or for my children – but I moved forward the minute I had experienced enough in my life to know I had to make a change. What gets me in trouble now – is I make rules for myself. I set goals – I am rigid about finishing what I set out to do. I do have a lot of time when I play but one of my BIG mistakes, which I only thought about while listening to your wonderful podcast – is that I tell myself stories about myself, and I believe them! But you know what? They are BULLSHIT!!! One piece of bullshit is, I like to work on my paintings and my book-writing alone – Well, I’d have MUCH more fun if I allowed myself to be around other writers and painters sometimes. The community where I live is full of musicians, artists, unknown & famous writers…. movie makers, and wild amusing people. I even know many of them – I just don’t let myself hang out when I think I should be working on my own stuff, and I don’t go to any of the available fun things within walking distance of my house where many local artists gather! I have struggled with being shy all my life (I am almost 71), – but I discovered when I gave a reading of my illustrated memoir The Whore Next Door, and was so freaked out that I thought I was literally going to shit in my pants (but didn’t) – that I survived just fine and although I was nervous about my next reading – it went well, and many people bought my book. Thanks to you Marie, and you Latham, I’m gonna step out, and make myself do a bunch of things I could do, but din’t think I wanted to do. I’m gonna examine what other lies I have told myself, and thought were true, but are instead holding me back. THANK YOU!!!!!! MARIE & LATHAM!!!!!!!!!! most sincerely, Annie Campbell – check out my website if you feel like it….. it needs some work – it will happen soon.

  29. This was an excellent podcast, and something I deeply resonate with! One of my quotes I have on my Instagram page is “Remember, children, marriages and flower gardens reflect the kind of care they get.” I love the garden analogy because it’s so true to our lives. Life will happen regardless of our involvement – it will keep growing and be as wild and crazy as the reality we are living in. But when we step in with intention, and we prune and nurture, we create our own version of a masterpiece.
    In my podcast this season, my husband and I are focusing on “Minimalism: Clearing the Clutter from your Home, Your Head & Your Heart” – and as we’ve dug into all the intricacies that come with a minimalist lifestyle, adding in the importance of awareness, perspective, and blank space is so critical. And that blank space arena – it’s not just a clean countertop. It’s clearing your mind from the clutter, and not carrying the weight of those toxic relationships. We did an episode specifically on “quiet” – and ran a super-enlightening experiment in our home where we didn’t speak for 24 hours. It’s amazing when you allow for space, how much it adds in the opportunities to rest and recharge. Our lives can become like the blare of the TV screen, with constant noise of one sort or another crowing our homes, thoughts, and emotions. How are you constructing your life to allow for the blank spaces – to rest, to simply be, and to allow for nothing but play? I’ve found scheduling in the play or “nothing” time has been so, so powerful. Knowing that we have certain days in our home where nothing is required, but everything is optional has really allowed for everyone to blossom. And the times playing Dutch Blitz, doing henna, swinging in the hammock and doing spontaneous hikes have often been the catalysts for my best and most creative work!
    Thanks for the insights and affirmation on the importance of play and rest in our lives. Namaste!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s so wonderful, Ashley! I love that you and your husband are undertaking such enlightening and important tasks like minimalism, not speaking for a day, and allowing time to rest, relax, and do what you love together. Keep up the beautiful work you’re doing!

  30. It’s very easy to be in perpetual overdrive mode, forgetting that even our bodies demand rest and recharge. Little wonder people are living less full lives in these wonderful times -the best time to be alive. Thanks Marie and Latham for reminding us that it’s okay to play, because it’s actually required for our sanity. Moving forward, I’ll be printing out “Rest Up” and “Play Up” notes to be reminded of the need for them. The same goes for “Faith it till you make it”… I particularly like that phrase. It’s a lot better and less corny than the “fake it till you make it mantra” if you know what I mean. I’ll also be printing out copies of that and sending them to my budding entrepreneur clients as well as hang on right above my line of sight in the office.

    • Hailey - Team Forleo

      Love it, Annette! We hope these powerful reminders continue to be a source of inspiration for you. Thanks so much for tuning in– we hope you’re able to find lots of time to play and recharge over the weekend ahead.

  31. Pam Francis Lewis

    It’s all a process, not a destination! Faith it til you make it is not disingenuous but rather living the process and learning and growing with every step.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Yes, we love this perspective Pam. We hope you enjoy the process as much as possible.

  32. Hi Marie
    I have been an avid listener to your TV and podcasts and I wanted to take the time to say thank you!
    Today with Latham was a blessing for me and a reinforcement of what I heard today at church! Amazing how He gets your attention!!
    Time to take up my mat and start walking as I am healed!!
    Peace and Blessings
    Joan with Soul Soothing Massage LLC!! My dream and passion!!

  33. Jehanne-Marie Milne

    Oh my goodness, I think this is one of the best podcasts I’ve ever listened to! Latham, you are so full of wisdom, and everything seemed like a massive take away for me. I think I am going to re-listen to this and jot down notes and thoughts. Thank you, thank you for being such a beautiful soul in this world and I’m counting my blessings for life bringing me to your work. I hope you speak in Toronto one day!

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      We love hearing this! Re-listening is one of the best things you can do, and we hope you keep getting more and more out of this important conversation. Thanks for tuning in!

  34. This is exactly the message I needed to receive today – thanks again Marie for all of the beautiful work you’re bringing into the world. Life changing. xx

  35. I had so many ahas listening to this. Self-care is such a big deal but one we overlook so often. Although I know how important it is to me it is always good to get a kick up the a** to actually do something about it. That’s exactly what this podcast did for me. Thank you ladies 🙂 xx

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  37. Amanda

    Thanks so much that was brilliant and confirmed I am on the right path! Thanks again Marie and latham, awesome.

  38. I have often heard of “Fake it till you make it” and I have never agreed with that. I am in love with your “Faith it till you make it”. Our determination will determine our success. Thank you for sharing this bit of wisdom with us.

    • Hailey– Team Forleo

      Such a great takeaway, Annette! We hope this powerful reminder will continue to inspire you along your own creative journey. Thanks so much for tuning in!

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