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Have you ever looked at a problem — big or small — and thought, “There’s got to be a better way”? Whether it’s an unnecessarily complex workflow in your office, or our crumbling national infrastructure, we’re all faced with countless issues that deserve focus and initiative.

Yet many of us fail to take action. Instead, we fall prey to apathy. We shrug our shoulders. We succumb to one of the most toxic, insidious and dangerous myths ever:

“Well, that’s just the way it is.”

My guest today believes differently. In fact, she’s tackling one of the most challenging and complex issues of our time. Judge Victoria Pratt has gained national and international acclaim for her commitment to reforming the criminal justice system.

She’s been called a pioneer in what’s known as procedural justice: a simple, free and proven approach to radically overhauling our court system, using the power of dignity and respect.

During her time as the Chief Judge in Newark Municipal Court in New Jersey, she focused on how justice could be delivered to court participants in a way that increased their trust in the legal system and changed their behavior.

She used creative problem solving to provide alternatives to jail for low-level offenders. For example, instead of prison sentences, she hands out introspective essay assignments. She treats each and every defendant with kindness and respect. Her courtroom has so much applause that it’s been compared to an off-Broadway show. And guess what?

It’s working.

In one of our most powerful MarieTV interviews to date, Judge Pratt explains how respect is contagious. She also details the four simple, free principles of procedural justice that can be applied in virtually any setting — your family, team, organization or community — to create similar results.

Failure is just an event. It is not a characteristic. People can't be failures. @JudgeVPratt Click To Tweet

Perhaps one of the most powerful parts of this conversation is when Judge Pratt talks about how she — now a Professor at Rutgers Law School, an entrepreneur, activist, TED Speaker and legal professional who’s admitted to the U.S. Supreme Court — didn’t get into law school the first time she applied. As she says, “Failure is just an event. It is not a characteristic. People can’t be failures.” In our humble opinion, this is a must-watch, must share episode.

We need more leaders like Judge Pratt. As she explains, the principles of dignity, humanity, caring and respect can transform more than our courtrooms. These values, when put into action, can also restore our collective sanity. They can bring us together to solve the even greater issues that face us all.

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Which of the four principles of procedural justice shared by Judge Pratt resonated most? How can you put that into action today?

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  1. Ivee

    Gosh, I have tears in my eyes watching this. I just had to come here to this site to comment. Here in my country, the Philippines, procedural justice is being challenged (for the longest time). It’s almost a foreign concept. The past few years have seen a lot of extra-judicial killings all in the name of this crazy war on drugs. We the middle class are lucky enough but the poor? They’re the ones who suffer. Thank you, Judge Victoria for shedding light on this concept, and Marie and team for always dishing out relevant and meaningful content. [P.S. You guys don’t know how much you’ve created (and continue to create) an impact on me. Four years watching your videos and in the past two years my husband and I set up a (thriving) business. I always love telling people that I learned most of what I know from Marie Forleo. Keep up the great work!!!] Love, Ivee.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Hi there Ivee, we’re so glad that this conversation moved you so deeply, and that Judge Pratt’s words hit home for you. There’s so much still to be done on this subject, and beginning the conversation in this way is an important first step. We also love hearing that you and your husband are having a blast running your business!

    • Amanda Jane Sloan

      Please list the four strategies she used as I’ve kind of missed the key points.


    • Marie! I loved this interview and I love Judge Pratt! I think the universe is speaking to me – I just finished the book “ The Sun Does Shine” and through the whole story of Mr. Hinton I kept thinking this must still go on , innocent people convicted, poor people not afforded the same rights, etc. So I’ve been thinking about what can I do to help? Volunteer at a prison or an organization that helps prisoners? Then I listen to this podcast and think – wait, I should be helping at the point before someone ends up in court! I’m not a lawyer but I’m sure there is something out there that is a good fit for me! I will do my research and see what I can do to help! Thanks so much!

  2. This was a beautiful start to my Tuesday morning. Thank you Marie and Judge Pratt for this powerful interview.

    My biggest takeaway is respect. I think many paylip service to the word and seldom practice it. I am going to start making being respectful in ALL of my interactions a priority. I think being respect forces all of us to see our human-ness and our connections to each other.

    This also fits nicely in with my current study of the amazing Brené Brown’s Braving the Wilderness. Thank you for this timely message for myself and hopefully foe others as well.

    I hope you all have a beautiful day!


    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Wow Monica, we love hearing that this conversation is inspiring you to take some beautiful action in your daily interactions. Showing another human respect takes compassion, courage, and love; thank you for sharing your thoughts here.

    • Love love love this!!! Just knowing there are people in the world like Victoria Pratt inspire and give me hope in a time when I have felt so hopeless. Thank you so much for this amazing gift in my day?

  3. Nicole

    Very moving episode – Thank you for taking MarieTV to this level. Our U.S. criminal justice system is so broken, so unkind. Judge Victorie’s insistence on treating others with respect and tough love provides a kernel of hope. Love how she speaks without legalese to people and intuits what they need (translation/someone to read for them).
    She’s paying attention! A lesson for all of us to heighten our humanity.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Nicole, it sounds like this conversation is giving you hope and offering another way for us all to move forward in a beautiful, much more humane way. Judge Pratt is definitely an inspiration to us all, and we’re so glad you connected with her approach here.

  4. Cj

    Wow! That was a really amazing and powerful video. Marie, thank you for always being an inspiration and introducing me to such amazing people. Judge Pratt really has moved me to be a more involved member of my community!

  5. Adela

    WOW! WOW! WOW! What an amazing human being!!! I think we all have trust issues with justice in our own countries (I live in Colombia, and believe me, we have plenty of reasons to do so), but watching this episode gave me such a powerful hope that things CAN be different, that it only takes one person with a kind heart to make it happen. Judge Pratt with her soft way of speaking and open heart, has shown us how respect and dignity can make a huge impact in people’s lives, even in their darkest moments. THIS IS HOW YOU CHANGE THE WORLD! Thank you Marie for sharing this wonderful interview, and thank you Judge Pratt for making this world a much better place to live!

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Oh Adela, you’ve absolutely got it – one person with a kind heart can make such a world of a difference. We’re so glad you tuned in, and that Judge Pratt’s way of communicating here is so powerful for you.

  6. Bethany

    I don’t think I’ve seen Marie in a constant state of being on the verge of tears by everything Judge Victoria was saying…that’s ok. I was too. This touched my heart deeply. I have so much to say and so much to reflect on. She was convicting and deeply profound. This might be my favorite episode because of how deeply meaningful it was. Thank you for sharing this.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      You weren’t the only one Bethany – this was such a deeply moving interview, and we’re so glad it touched you too.

    • Hey, same here. I was on the same verge of tears as Marie was. What an inspiration! I’m in awe. Judge Victoria Pratt, you’re one in a million. I can’t say what the biggest take-out was, there were too many. Thanks to you, Marie and Team Forleo for a beautiful interview. Best regards from small Ikaria Island

  7. Elaine Dolan

    I got the most out of how Victoria Pratt MODELS JUSTICE….It’s a feminine form of compassion: No force or one-upmanship there. It’s seeing the person beneath the circumstances. I love that. I dig it.

    • Elaine Dolan

      I wonder if Brett Kavanaugh relates to Victoria Pratt concerning how we can nurture through the Justice system….

  8. Jessamin

    Wow such a powerful interview. Thank you! If everyone could truly know for themselves, including myself, that our failures in life do not make us failures! That in itself could change the world. I love so many parts of this interview. Treating people with respect and humanity, and seeing people as they are, as loved children of God, and treating them as such. Wow, this is a message we desperately need. And I think it starts with seeing ourselves as such. That we are not defined by our actions but by who we innately are. Maybe when we start to treat ourselves with that respect we will treat others the same. I am in the process of this self love and it really has increased the love I feel towards my fellow man. Thanks Marie and Judge Pratt for creating a space for this conversation and for being living examples of these principles.

  9. Caroline

    I recently started watching Marie TV and find that, while I do agree with a lot of the advice given, I am also confused by the attitude that you should do what you fear. What happens when you can’t decide between what you fear and what makes you angry? Do you go for the dream your afraid of but could make you happy, or do you try to solve a problem that makes you angry (possibly never happy) but could potentially help many people? Or should you try to find some way to combine them? Thanks.

  10. Treat every one you meet with kindness & RESPECT!
    It’s simple yet profound.

  11. What an amazing interview! I’m going to think of ways to model respect and neutrality in tough situations, like working with my daughter and with my students. This was very moving and powerful!

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      We love that you’re thinking of specific areas in your life to start bringing in these concepts Lakaye. Change truly starts with interactions on a person-to-person level, and beginning with your daughter and students is brilliant!

  12. Marla

    You both are truly phenomenal women and I’m very inspired. Thank you for what you do.

  13. My actionable from this is the following quote from judge Pratt which I can use in my classroom:
    “I expect _____ [behaviour]. That’s what i need from you, and that’s what i’m going to hold you to”.

    Brilliant 🙂

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Such a small and mighty step forward Ruth – we’re wishing you all the best as you implement it!

  14. Adrienne Anderson

    This is amazing! I have always said one has to give respect in order to receive it. The best way I know to do that is in word and action. I am ecstatic to know that there may be hope for trust in the justice system.
    I plan to continue to speak positively into people’s lives, no matter what their outward circumstances appear, and be courteous with manners I was raised to observe. I believe if we can do this individually, in our communities, we can all be a part of impacting and influencing a nation that sorely needs affirmation.

  15. Amanda Morton

    What an Absolutelty incredible woman! Brilliant talk today with Judge Pratt. She speaks with such heart and dignity and humility. I love how much she believes in humanity and that statement that failure is an event not a characteristic and that people can’t be failures is quite possibly one of the most profound statements I have ever heard. As a community we judge success or failure based on a person’s wealth and status in society but for me, the father who worked two jobs just yo provide Amelia for his family is a success. The single Mom or Dad who got through the day and their kids were taken care of is a success. The guy who gives his last dollar to a homeless person because he realizes that there is poverty greater than his is a success. The person who despite all odds stacked against them rises above the negative environment is a success. I want to thank you Maria for having Judge Pratt on today. You had the foresight to know that this conversation would not only be an impactful one but far reaching to change someone’s life today. For that I thank you and I am truly grateful.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      This is such a powerful response Amanda – thank you for sharing your insight and perspective on what success and failure mean to you. The more we can shift what these words mean away from societal expectations and towards individual meaning, the more we create space for humanity and connection and respect.

  16. Thank you for such an amazing interview. I just shared this video on my Facebook page and across multiple social medias. This is such an important topic and I love how Judge Pratt truly balances justice for all and care towards every individual. I strongly believe in respect and the power it has. I look forward to seeing more from Judge Pratt in the future and hope that others will see this interview and be inspired to adopt these principles to their lives and system structures in their lives. Thank you again for shedding light on this very important topic and efforts being made towards our justice system . Much love, Elisa Cavaliere.

  17. It reminds me to check myself when I am so quick to judge someone or some circumstance. As human beings, I doubt we will ever get to the place where we are completely free of judging others, but we can at least train ourselves to judge fairly and without prejudice as a rule rather than an exception. Thank you for interviewing Judge Pratt who has obviously done the very difficult work to genuinely come to this place in her life, and show us in both example and form that it can be achieved.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Kowecha, it takes a lot of courage to be able to look at our tendencies so straight-on and ask how we might do better, and it sounds like you’re feeling motivated and inspired to refrain from quickly judging someone else’s circumstances. This is a lifelong process, and while we’re not – and won’t ever be – perfect, the willingness to get better can have such a huge impact. Thank you for joining this important conversation.

  18. Amber

    Great interview. Thanks so much!!

  19. Giovanni

    Thank you Judge Pratt and Marie and crew for this wonderful episode. It is especially poignant for me right now as Yom Kippur begins today, and all of these principles are central to the theme of holiday, and how as people living in an unjust world we must step up and create the justice we wish to see. This includes lots of introspection, seeking and giving forgiveness and, you guessed it, respect.

    Personally I’m moving out of a lot of old habits and behaviors that don’t foster any of these principles, and starting today with this episode of Marie TV and Yom Kippur makes the uncertainty and fears I’ve been having surrounding my beginning to live my life in a better way seem less like a problem and more like a challenge, even in the face of possible failure.

    Again, thank you so much Judge Pratt for leading the way towards a better, more connected and just society. You are not only an inspiration but a companion that all deserve to have walk the journey with.

  20. What a beautiful interview. Thank you Marie. Thank you Judge Pratt. I am so moved and hopeful that humanity is showing up in the criminal justice system. We change the world one heart at a time.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      We’re so glad this interview moved you Mary, and we absolutely echo your desire to have more people like Judge Pratt show up in our courtrooms. Her display of humanity is much needed.

  21. Hey there,
    First, I would like to thank you Marie for sharing your gift and platform for others to experience transformative power…I am moved by all of the Procedural Justice principles but “Respect is contagious” resonates because I believe that is what will touch the heart of the most resistant of spirits…I recently took a step of faith to focus on the needs of the high school “hard-to-serve” students of my alma mater. I had begun a program and due to “grant funding” my position was terminated. What about the students that I had begun to build a rapport with? Who still needs help? I created a program FFC that specifically addressed 40+ students who were in ISS and BIC (behavior alternative) EVERYDAY…this video has given more resolve to keep fighting for those students when the “system” says I shouldn’t. I just reestablished my business here in Central NY and this time there is nothing that will stop me from making a difference where I can…My goal is to connect with Judge Pratt within the year so that my students can see, believe, and know that they are worth fighting for!!! Ladies, thanks again for your part in raising the power in our communities..

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Yolanda! What powerful measures you’re taking to connect with these students. The steps you’re taking, and the goals you have, I’m sure will profoundly affect the people in your community. We’re so glad this interview is bringing even more fresh resolve into your mission, and we’re wishing you all the best going forward.

    • Bless you, Yolanda for your efforts to help “teach these kids to fish” – yes, respect is contagious, and by showing respect, we teach how to show respect.
      Best wishes with your programs, and in connecting with Judge Pratt – spreading the experience of being listened to, heard, respected and held accountable is how we “be the change we want to see in the world”!

  22. Ashlee

    What a remarkable woman you are, Judge Pratt. You are a gift to the world! Failure is an event not who you are is so true, and I never thought of it that way. I loved this interview, and I loved that Judge Pratt thanked you, Marie, for sharing your knowledge with everyone. Inspiring, both of you!

  23. Phenomenal. Inspiring. What a force of good and light and I hope her vision does indeed manifest in the biggest and best way possible. Change is needed.

  24. Marie,
    I am deeply beholden to you for doing this interview with one of the most powerful, transformative leaders in our country. I was moved, touched and inspired by Judge Pratt. Her compassion, wisdom and work is revolutionary and could change the world if replicated by everyone EVERYWHERE. In Michael’s Moore last film WHERE TO INVADE NEXT – he does a segment on the criminal justice system in Norway, juxtaposed to the US system (which is brutal – footage of prisoners naked and beaten) while the Norway justice system takes the most violent criminals and allows them unprecedented freedoms and dignity. In one of their high security prisons they even have a welcome video with the staff and guards singing We Are The World. WE can learn so much from other countries and nations. Judge Pratt should be on the supreme court – she is the key to our collective destiny and changing our system from the bottom up.
    Carolyn M. Scott

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Carolyn, thank you so much for sharing your insight and perspective with us here. We think Judge Pratt is brilliant as well, and her approach to the judiciary system is a model for how we can all treat our fellow humans (especially at the highest level of the court system).

  25. Karla T

    Judge Pratt is an amazing woman. I can take the essay thing into my life as a mother. Before coming down on my children, I can have them use the opportunity to write about the why behind the infraction. If I plan on having a deeper relationship with them, I need to go deeper with them in those moments.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Brilliant, Karla! What a beautiful way to connect with your kids. <3

  26. KayCee

    Incredible! Powerful caring action to resolve issues that have been heavy on hearts forever. No matter what it is, we (all people) are in it together and until we truly understand this, is there any real hope? Thank you, Judge Pratt, for your example and everything you do. Thank you, Marie and Team, for continuing to connect us with people who create change and the ideas and resources that we might do the same. <3

  27. Lauren Lanham

    Wow, Judge Pratt is a rock star of the highest order! I am so inspired by every word she said but am most struck by how powerful her words feel when said in her calm and compassionate tone. In this time of wide-spread fear and bullying, she offers a beautiful and much more effective way to communicate. Thank you, team Forleo, for getting this message out, as always.

  28. Thank you Marie for introducing me to Judge Victoria Pratt. This was wonderful. I have been working with drug addicts for the past year on a mentoring basis. I do not have the experience, but I am gradually learning. When the judge spoke of showing them respect that was most resonating for me. I am a Christian and the first real conversation I have with them, since I totally have not been where they have been and especially do not know how I would deal with the addiction they have, is relating to them that we both were created in the image and likeness of God and we both have sinned. We can work together to restore His image in us. I show them respect as a human being and in turn all of them have respect for me and what I am doing. Again, thank you so much Marie. I enjoy your podcast so much.

  29. Marie, thank you so much! This interview is so beautiful and inspiring! Judge Pratt, you’re a walking and talking miracle. I love how you make people feel seen and heard. Looking at the person and seeing potential. Giving them a new standard to live by. I’m so moved. I want to see each person I meet, too. Really see them as the wonderful people they are.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Right on! It’s amazing how someone’s whole attitude (and their whole day or their whole life) can be turned around because they feel seen, heard, and understood. It’s a beautiful sight to behold.

  30. Audrey

    Wow! This brought tears to my eyes. I am active in the Indigenous community in Canada, and the members of this groups get criminalized very easily. I see how they struggle in a colonial and racist justice system that is designed to fail them. To hear about procedural justice and see how powerful it is in bringing about actual justice is very encouraging and gives hope that things can be improved.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Thank you for the important, necessary work you’re doing with the Indigenous community, Audrey. We’re so glad Judge Pratt’s wisdom spoke to you and we hope her approach catches on in more places.

  31. Pamela

    People tend to see the justice system, especially the municipal court, as part of an administrative stamping machine to collect unwarranted taxes. This is an amazing judge: treating people as people and speaking so that they understand, and showing respect… That’s what make people believe in the justice system. I’m a lawyer and I want to say that Judge Victoria Pratt reminded me of the concept of justice today.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s so wonderful to hear, Pamela! We hope her sense of justice will revolutionize courts from coast to coast.

  32. Mita

    I love love love this interview Marie. Thank you for letting us have the opportunity to learn about Judge Pratt. She comes across as soo genuine and for sure with a person like her in power, every one can feel looked after, treated with respect and have due respect for the judicial system. ‘Respect’ & ‘being listened to’ are definitely the principles that stood out for me in this interview.
    I definitely have a request fro Judge Pratt – To run for the office of Presidency. She would make a great leader and the country needs such genuine leaders for sure!!

  33. Absolutely loved this episode! Already shared on my IG stories and tweeted about this episode and Judge. This is the reason why I homeschool this is why advocate for the homeschool community because the homeschool community can change the educational system in our country by example. Lead by example that’s the biggest insight I got out of this episode #respectiscontagious.

  34. Carole

    That is truly inspiring. I wonder if that could possibly work in a hardened city like Chicago or Milwaukee. How could you get judges on board when their workload is so heavy? Would these people who have no respect for life on the street actually come around? The task seems gargantuan.
    In our own lives, it is important to treat everyone with respect. Not only does it help make their life better, but it makes yours better as well. Hate takes a lot of energy.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s a really good question, Carole. I bet Judge Pratt would have some insight on how communities can advocate for their local court systems to adopt procedural justice. It may help to reach out for tips:

  35. This was THE BEST MARIE TV EPISODE EVER! So inspiring! Made me realize people don’t often question entrenched systems. The court and penal system come from a time when we thought our only way to to change people was to punish them. It is a tool, but there are also so many others.

  36. Lia Allen

    This video seems to be perfectly timed. First of all, she is amazing, second of all, I wrote in for the live call in show with my question, and I think this video hit on an important part of why I’m feeling really frozen with my new windfallen life: how do I make an impact now that I have the means to make a bigger one than ever before? How do I stop freaking out about the best way to help the community when there are so many more ways opened up to me now, financially? I had fewer ideas of how I could feasibly make a difference, but now I have too many ideas and a huge sense of responsibility with all this money that I’ve become frozen. Anyway, thanks for sharing this interview and continuing to inspire change for the better.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      It’s wonderful to hear you want to make a difference, Lia! There are so many ways to give back and make the world a better place. If you’re looking for organizations to support, we have a few favorites: Though, of course, there are many more options out there, so we encourage you to consider what speaks to your heart.

  37. Mimi Ewers

    Thank you Marie for inviting Judge Pratt to inspire not only the court rooms but also individuals in all walks of life.
    I am a retired ballet dancer who has been teaching ballet ( and life) for many years and I firmly believe that teaching RESPECT to young people with examples is key to a better community and always honestly PRAISE a young person for any small but significant improvement because it builds trust in themselves.
    I certainly deeply believe that “ we all can shift the world and we have an obligation to do it from where we stand “ …. for me it is from the marley floors in the ballet studio.

  38. Truly inspiring! Thank you Marie and Judge Pratt!

  39. Patricia

    Hi and thank you so much for sharing this great interview with such an amazing Lady! I live in Argentina, where the justice system has been almost a joke for several years and only now is trying to be improved with very hard efforts. I can actually relate to almost everything Judge Pratt says, I am so glad someone in her position sees the so called ‘nobodys’ and speaks out loud. God Bless her and also you and your team, xoxo

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      So glad you enjoyed this episode, Patricia! We’ve got our fingers crossed that Argentina’s justice system will be rebuilt with procedural justice in mind. There’s so much good that can be done. <3

  40. Tara

    Damn!! Amen to the respect principle! I am born and raised in Hawaii, and offering up your seat up to your elders is something I used to see a lot of growing up. It’s a form of aloha here. Respect in this case is being considerate to others and just being kind.

    I also really love that low-level offenders are being given a voice, because most of the time it can feel like our justice system can be one-sided and not really see the other person. It can be based on stereotyping, racial profiling, gender discrimination, etc., and sometimes we can’t see what that does to our beliefs and decisions about people. We don’t know what’s going on with other people, what experiences they had, and how they carry themselves through life. I feel we really need to take the time to try to understand others, not immediately write them off and condemn them.

    Now, I do believe breaking the law = punishment, BUT they need to learn from this experience and get the support and help they need. It’s not just sentencing and putting them away in prison without that help or introspection into what they did. More needs to be done because if not, it seems the cycle will just repeat itself.

    Thanks Marie for this awesome topic!


  41. Deborah

    Wow! What an amazing, beautiful, well-spoken woman. Thank you for introducing her here on your platform, Marie. I vote for her to overhaul our country’s entire judicial system!

  42. Lydia Maria Eichiner

    Respect and gentleness, is what makes her an PEACEMAKER! I work on this since years in theory, she does it and is in the position to realize her ability as PEACEMAKER!

    What I take away from is “this issue is more important then my scare”
    Thank you Marie, for your pleasant work.

  43. Liz N

    This was such a great episode! Judge Pratt is such an inspiration to everyone who wants to give back to their community in a long lasting way and what she had to say really resonated with me. Respect and kindness are both such important things to bring to every interaction you have. I’m currently transitioning into a career that has a strong public service focus and it’s something that I really feel is true based on the interactions that I have with people everyday. People just want to feel like they are heard and that their worries or complaints, no matter how small, are taken seriously.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s fantastic, Liz! We’re so glad this episode came at just the right time and we love that you’re shifting to public service. That’s a beautiful way to give back and we’re glad you’re contributing your gifts in this powerful way.

  44. Jaya

    Thank you Judge Pratt for giving this interview. I wish I could ask her: Where do you get the stamina to continually treat people with respect? Most of us love the idea and can most of the time, but frustration may boil over when people treat us poorly. It takes personal energy to continue in respect in those moments. How do you maintain that inner stamina in a demanding job/world?

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s a really good question, Jaya, and something I bet a lot of people are struggling with. If you’ll write to us at infoATmarieforleoDOTcom and reference this comment we’ll be happy to help you submit it for consideration for a future Q&A Tuesday episode!

  45. Gail McLaughlin

    Judge Praty is so inspiring. We have brought our children up with these values. My middle so was charged with a DUI and underage drinking. He was so polite and we’ll behaved my husband continued to receive compliments about him. My husband is Lt. McLaughlin at the Albemarle Charlottesville Regional Jail in Charlottesville, VA. He runs work release, home monitoring, among many other programs where iates are able to be “paid’ for community service. This pays their court fines and fees allowing them to start ahead rather than behind and gain skills. Many never return to jail. He and Judge Pratt are very alike in helping the people of their community. He has initiated numerous programs and even when an inmate doesn’t fit the criteria which are very strict, treating them respectfully has allowed him to not worry that he will be a target, in fact he had a former inmate thank him for his candor regarding his situation. He was out and productive. I enjoyed this Marie TV. Thank you!!?

    • Kelly ~ It took me 10 years to lose 10 pounds

      Gail I love that your husband is part of helping people start “ahead rather than behind.”

  46. When I was teaching I’d always look for character traits to praise kids for. It was amazing how much straighter they sat up after a tiny compliment. Whenever I think something positive about someone I try to say it. Don’t keep it in your head! None of us hear the good stuff enough. Often we remember something positive a stranger said to us years later. Be that stranger—that compliment giver—for someone else! THANK YOU Marie & Judge Victoria Pratt for this fun, insightful and moving interview. xo

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s so true and really good advice. Thank you, Kelly! 🙂

  47. This brought tears to my eyes as I am so deeply moved by the wisdom, the humanity and the compassion shown by Judge Pratt. I work in Cape Town at a disadvantaged primary school giving after-school homework classes and we do our best to get kids to believe in themselves and to have more self-esteem. It’s an uphill battle. Life has not been kind to them. They suffer unbelievable lives in poverty, abuse, addiction and distress and yet they get up every day, show up for school and do their work. It is difficult to get them motivated or excited about things so we are constantly trying to find ways for them to “enjoy the process of learning”. Thank you for this magnificent interview – both of you deserve a standing ovation. With love from Cape Town, South Africa!!!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Thank you so much for all the work you’re doing, Jean. You’re making a big difference in those kids’ lives and it matters. <3

  48. I love how awesome she is in the court. I love how she uses the justice system for a platform for rehabilitation. I would be an LPC in her courts.

  49. Yvonne Anwanwan

    She never said what happened to the girl whose mother’s bf was destroying the community.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s a good question. We sincerely hope she’s okay and is able to live in a home free from abuse and fear.

  50. This has me thinking about “othering” in a class-conscious society. Are we only showing respect to the people we perceive as above us? Are we propping up our self-respect on the backs of those we decide are below us? What can change when everyone deserves and gets the same respect and dignity?

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      YES. This is such a good insight, Lee!

  51. Linda Brooks

    Hi Marie,
    Please visit @ pawsitivechangeprogram on Instagram. They work with inmates in Southern CA teaching them
    to rehabilitate and train dogs that come from local shelters. The program is amazing!!! Both dogs and humans are utterly transformed. You can hear testimonials from the inmates, some of whom have been released and started dog training businesses of their own. I’ve been following them for about 6 months as well as a few of the guys that have been released. You will LOVE this program. Started by Zach Skow who runs Marley’s Mutts, both on Instagram as well. You might consider Zach as a guest when you read his personal story of near death and see where and wha he is doing with his life now!!
    Thank you,

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      This is so cool, Linda! We love social programs that help people and foster entrepreneurship so they can make a living doing something they enjoy. It sounds like a win for everyone from the released inmate to the dogs to the community. 🙂

  52. Julie

    Love it! From beginnig to end ♡.

    My favorite principle wasn’t mention as a principle, but is in the air: be present.

    Being present is the key to make changes ir our lives. Is the first step to be more brave than frightening in order to make the things we need to create the world we want.

    Thank you both and Team Forleo for this amaizing vlog.

  53. Niecy

    This was such a powerful video on so many levels. I’m very glad to hear a Judge who is human and express so much compassion for the people. And it resonate with me second guessing myself and wanted to do more not just a temporary fix. I feel.the same way in my career. I know it’s not enough. And serving people and most importantly given them.respesct. I’m not a fan of the Justice System. Too many bad memories. Judge Pratt restore some hope. This was very inspiring and refreshing today after hearing and seeing such horrible stories daily. Marie thank you for sharing today.

  54. So many thoughts about this piece. “I’ve always wanted to change the world, and I never believed that I couldn’t.”-> This is Just. So. Powerful. This resonated so much. In my mentorship, I teach that this day is always practise for a day in the future.
    One of the earliest ‘homeworks’ I give to the dreamers I support is essentially a personal essay. So Important. “Especially for the folk who people don’t see.” YES.

  55. Monique

    What a great interview! Thank you. “What scare you are the things that are going to change the world”.
    So, so, so true! My biggest insight that I am taking away is to realize that the NGO that I started in 2015 in Costa Rica after my participation in B-school (2016) must be transformed to reach more people in Canada where I live now. Foundation called “SOS e-stress: for a human restoration”. I know it won’t be under an NGO here, but the message I used to offer through it will definitely be transmitted. I’m working on it. Let’s continue to change the world in a better place to live in.
    Yes, let’s shine our light to assist one person at the time to do the same.

  56. Vasudeva

    Thank you so much for this touching interview with Judge Victoria Pratt and what a great human being she is. I go with dignity. Every effort should be made to hold the dignity of the individual.

  57. Safiyah Seth

    What an inspiring interview. In separating the action from the person, Judge Pratt asserts that respect is something that should not be withheld based on previous actions. She shows that respect is not a ‘conditional’, but in fact our birthright.
    It contrasts so starkly to what many of us have been taught about how to regard criminals and people of different racial and economic backgrounds.
    If a judge can suspend immediate ‘judgement’ to delve deeper into the issue, honor our shared humanity and provide a better solution as a result, then so can we all!

  58. Wendelijn

    Dear Marie and judge Pratt,
    What an amazing, uplifting, inspiring episode . What am amazing person and woman. Cannot deny that that inspires as well…. To me on a personal level it makes me proud as well. Because my dad in my country – where we have a very different judicial system – initiated alternative sentencing (and providing education) ao ass well , although as a social worker (with a legal degree). And coming up to his retirement he even taught this way of dealing with convicted criminals abroad on invitation of foreign governments. Somehow he had always presented it as something he just felt was the right thing so we didn’t give it much thought. So it feels like a gift to let it sink in, and see that it wasn’t!! Thank you! As children we spent Christmas eve in prison handing gifts and drawings of children to prisoners. My dad incorporated schools in the community to make these drawings and asked businesses to donate gifts. Then we would go and see grown men, hardened criminals, even murderers, cry. Not over the presents, but over the drawings. And for the fact we took the time to come to them (let’s face it, in the beginning we didn’t have a choice but it was transformative for us as well ). We also had the chance to talk to them and never ever were we afraid. Young blond 12 year old or teenage girls, walking into the cell if a man didn’t dare/ want to come out. But what they always showed, was RESPECT. And gratitude. Emotion. To hear the judge speak of respect… yes ,that is inspirational. These Christmasses in my teenage years were really special. Also, my dad made his clients write essays to their judge or he would write if they couldn’t. It gave them a voice. And it often lead to alternative sentencing: community service or professional education. Both aspects, respect and voice, I’ve used myself as well; in class. And there it had the same effect; if students trust the place where they are, they trive and then go and inspire others in return!!
    One last thing, and I’m so grateful for making me realize how special it was what my dad did through hearing this AMAZING interview, but my dad always tried to visit his clients at home. Oftentimes this was in the suburbs of Amsterdam were the was a getto, sadly mostly inhabited by people from our former colonies (shame! 🙁 ). Often there ived 20 people in 2 rooms, but always always was he treated to a meal. That, he imbued to us; if you can, invite people to your dining table and hear them. And see them! Judge Pratt, amen to you! I am gonna slay some dragons!

    Ps and now in retirement my dad has a company providing education to convicted people from the Netherlands abroad so when they come our, they have different skills to deal with society. I’m gonna sent my dad a text now haha…. saying how proud I am of him :-).

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Your dad sounds like an amazing man and what a vital lesson to impart on you as a child. It’s clear the compassion you learned from the experience of visiting prisoners on Christmas has stuck with you. We’re glad you’re sharing your heart with those who need it most.

  59. Rose Medina Kemna

    The most amazing inspirational message. I love Judge Pratt!! Through my life and career as a realtor I’ve been wanting to know how I can make a difference in this world and her message was so on point. Procedural justice can be applied in some ways to all situations when we interact with people in our work and our personal lives. The one principle that really stood out is “respect”. Treating people with dignity and respect no matter what the circumstances are can only help to elevate our communities and our world. One of the most challenging things, when we feel someone has wronged us or if we are in disagreement with someone ——is to maintain that dignity and respect and it will lead to so much higher level positive outcomes. Thank you Marie and Judge Pratt for sharing these nuggets of wisdom and insight. Absolutely love it!! xoxo

  60. Thank you once again, Marie for introducing me to another incredible human being. Wow. I am so grateful to know Judge Pratt is showing the rest of our justice system how to really make a difference.
    I loved everything she spoke about and especially RESPECT. What a game changer it is. My first prayer these days is, Please help me to be kind today. As I was listening, I thought all of these principles fall under that category. We can all be kind – no matter where we are in life. This inspired me more than ever to remember to be Kind.
    Thank you wonderful Marie and thank you Judge Pratt.

  61. Paula

    Wow, what an inspiration. The biggest takeaway for me was raising my standard, to not only be better and do better, but be the example for my family. I have a beautiful life and family, but I definitely have gifts I can share with others to help make a difference in their lives. Thanks for giving me the encouragement to look for a place that I can share those gifts and help others to raise their standard.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Fantastic, Paula! There’s no limit to the positive ripple effects of change one person can create, so we’re thrilled you’re looking for ways to make a difference. 🙂

  62. Deanna

    Judge Pratt is amazing! Knowing that there are people out there like her is such a relief and inspiration. Thank goodness for people like her!

  63. Deanna

    Biggest takeaways were: Don’t give up – our dreams of making a positive difference are important and we must continue to work towards those goals. And of course- treat everyone with the respect we ALL deserve!

  64. Anna Tasselli Kocher

    Fascinating! We need more judges like her!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Yes! We hope Judge Pratt’s ideas on justice will sweep the nation. 🙂

  65. Wow! What a wonderful approach to being a judge! I hope this method is as contagious as “respect” is in Judge Pratt’s courtroom. Marie, thank you for making this message available. One of the most moving interviews you’ve had.

  66. Tha Keo

    ‘Respect is contagious’ Thank you for sharing. I am so focus like I am watching one of my favorite movie:). Judge Pratt I wish you are in California with us. Building the BEST community in a justice courtroom- We love you!!! Thank you Marie, touch my heart very deeply. You bring the BEST people and ‘yes’ to how a community is more than just a neighborhood. I have experienced facing my ‘scares’ and it has greatly impact so powerfully. Couldn’t have done it better without your world Marie Forleo!!!!

  67. Ligia

    Working as a Portuguese phone-interpreter years ago, I hated having court calls because all the judges were angry and unfair. After watching this video, I can only commend Judge Pratt for what is doing! What a beautiful lady! I do hope other judges will see her as an example and use this practical way of conducting court to make people see that it is possible to change the world. Let’s us all to do our part wherever role we have in society!

  68. This was a beautiful segment, and so very timely for me. I’m 57, and I’ve just started a Master of Arts in Restorative Justice because there are things that must be changed. I love the four principles—especially the use of personal essays. I’ve written all my life and am very aware of the instructive, revelatory power of the pen. This, along with respect, understanding, and the assurance of neutrality could change a lot for those caught in the justice system. I don’t know exactly what I will be doing with my MARJ degree, and I am a bit worried about how I’ll keep my business afloat while I’m studying (it’s pretty all-consuming), but I am certain that I’m doing what I’m supposed to be doing. This show was an inspiration to me. Thank you!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      This is so lovely to hear, Janice! Congrats on starting your Master’s program! We’re really glad you’re following your heart and doing something you love AND that can make such a huge impact in people’s lives. We can’t wait to see what the future has in store for you!

  69. Safena

    I’m home sick today from work which happens to be criminal justice crown counsel in Canada. We are supposedly on the “right” side of the law. We prosecute!! I’m so glad for this interview because it validates for me how much “wrong” I see in the courthouse and with prosecution specifically. It’s been on my mind how we criminalize disease…drugs alcohol mental illness. I’d say half the time I’m questioning should this really be a crime or a cry for help or just helplessness. At my office I don’t feel safe to question how we treat the accused persons. I’ve even fallen prey to belittling people by making fun of their last name or maybe an embarrassing act they did. Then something miraculous happens and I once again find my humanity. Knowing this Judge is standing in her truth means I can too. She has way more to lose than I do as a legal assistant. Thank u for being the first voice I’ve heard in a long time validating the dehumanizing conduct in the courtroom and offices. I knew there was a better way and you have just articulated it for me. I’m curious is there a Canadian counterpart I could contact to discuss this revolutionary approach to law? We do have aboriginal sentencing circles which are designed to speak to the aboriginal people with respect and in there own unique voice. At least that is something! One more thing as an animal lover I’m see way too much neglect in caring for these animals caught in an unsafe environment. The children are taken to safety and the pet is left behind. Lots of tragedy but maybe now there is hope! Blessings to you both.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s a really good question, Safena! Since we’re not legal professionals ourselves, we’re not sure what the Canadian equivalent would be, but we do know that one person can make a huge impact even on a seemingly humungous system. If you feel like your coworkers and superiors would be open to having a discussion around procedural justice, getting them on board could be an amazing way to affect change in your community.

  70. Karla Mendez

    What a wonderful interview, what a wonderful words and advices, what a wonderful woman, oh my Lord I’m speechless. She impacted me in so many differents ways. I feel full of energy and inspiration to follow my voice and make the changes I want to see in this crazy world. THANKS a lot to Judge Pratt and to Marie for blessed me today with this conversation. God bless you!

    PS: I’m still learning English (Spanish is my language) but I wasn’t able to skip the opportunity to thank for this gift.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Your English is fantastic, Karla! We’re so glad you left a comment and that Judge Pratt’s wisdom spoke to your heart.

  71. OMJOGS. Can every judge be this wise, compassionate and REAL? Can every judge and lawmaker understand what this woman understands and knows? We would have a totally different country if we did. Thank you Marie for sharing this interview. I am now a huge fan of Judge Victoria Pratt. Where can we get on her email list 🙂 to be inspired by her amazingness even more?! I am #swoon over here. May all courts and judges be as wise as Judge Victoria Pratt! Xo

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Yay, Kristian! We’re so glad you’re enthusiastic about Judge Pratt’s work. You can learn more on her website and sign up for her email list there: (She’s got an exit pop-up for the email list, so if you go to close the tab––but don’t actually close it––it’ll pop up.)

  72. I don’t usually post. I wake up every Tuesday and say, “It’s Marie TV day! Yay!” I feel compelled to post after listening to this interview. I taught for many years in an alternative high school where the students were in gangs and had no adults in their lives to mentor them. The system had failed them because they couldn’t read beyond the first or second grade. I used the driver’s ed textbook and made a deal that if they’d come to school, I’d teach them to read…and they’d read well enough to pass their driver’s ed test. They were skeptical but came to school every day and learned to read. Perhaps it’s because for the first time in their lives, they experienced “procedural justice” and respect. When Judge Pratt talked about procedural justice, I wondered how this term could be brought into our education system. I provide professional development for schools and will weave these 4 concepts into my presentations. Thank you so much for this valuable information. Wow, think of a world with more Judge Pratt’s in it and an educational system that embraces her approach! We wouldn’t have to be “waiting for the world to change” as the song goes, but could actually witness the world changing…moment by moment, day by day.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      This is awesome! It’s amazing how people’s lives can turn around when they’re shown respect. Thank you for the beautiful, necessary work you’re doing. 🙂

      • Thanks, Mandy, and back at Team Forleo for the great work they are doing in the world. Powerful stuff!

  73. This is the change I want to see in the world. Someone deeply intuitive and inspiring sharing their gift and talent of “Seeing” the other, how sincere ,authentic and inspired.

    Thank you both for sharing !

  74. Aidee

    This was the best episode I’ve seen at this show, it’s really insipiring. It came at the right time for me, I’ll act inspite of my fears towards my dreams. Thanks for sharing.

  75. Incredible interview! Thank you for having the guts to cover such a topic as this, everything is connected.

  76. Congratulations to Marie and Judge Pratt, this is one of the best episodes I’ve seen.
    Judge Pratt has a very nice to explain herself and Marie is a great interviewer. I love the principles used by the judge to rule her court. These can be applied in general life.
    Thanks to both of you (and your teams) for changing the world.

  77. “Failure is just an event. It is not a characteristic.” Love that quote!

  78. Clive Bosman

    Dear Marie and Judge Pratt,
    Thank you so very much for this incredibly powerful and human session. It is times like this one realises that a few more people like Judge Pratt, will make this world and existence of ours so much more pleasant and meaningful.
    God Bless you all as you continue to live out your dreams and passions. The world sure needs you all right now and every day thereafter.
    Best regards,

  79. Thanks for this interview. It was different and refreshing. I was inspired and move with her tone and message, but what triggered me was when she say, Ised your fists “experiences” for correction g what’s is wrong in the community. I guess for me this point of understanding help me to get more confiendet and clear in my vision. Also what she start comparing you it create a sense of realif and no to put a pressure to make something, but share what you can to help.

  80. Wow. This is my favorite episode ever. What an inspiring change-maker Judge Victoria Pratt is! Marie, and Team Marie, thank you all for being so awesome and amplifying this powerful voice for change. I’m smitten and inspired!

    “Even for me, there is justice here [in the courthouse].” and “When we do studies, we see that people of color…believe there is no justice there for them.”

    This was an important point that was made right as Marie was moving on, and I thought, “Whoa, let’s underline that one.” That’s painful. *SUCH* a problem. I’m sure having more black judges will help, and I’ve no doubt that we will see more black judges, but I also just want to take a moment to pause and digest that one, because as a white ally to people of color, I consider the work mine too, not just for people of color to solve.

    I’m going to be a juror next month. I’m going to remember that victim’s story, that one where a girl carried a knife because she was being molested and was afraid all the time. That there is more under the surface, and to be curious about that. I don’t think as jurors we get to have or even seek such answers, in terms of more data, do we? I’d like to hear from Judge Pratt what her advice to jurors are, in terms of supporting justice for people of color and other underprivileged groups.

    Other groups, but really, especially, people of color, because the way I see it, people of color have endured centuries of brutalization and trauma in this country, none of which has ever been treated (I’m talking generational PTSD, what Dr. Joy DeGrois calls “Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome”). It seems to me if someone can claim mental illness as a defense, that people of color have a defense that could be applied almost across the board, and that in a true system of justice, we would be treating people of color with more empathy, more help, and instead we are treating them with harsher punishments, longer sentences, more brutality on every level of the justice system.

    I’d really love to hear what Judge Pratt recommends to average citizens to interrupt this cycle, or if anyone else has ideas on this. It’s obvious to me in the branch of government that involves the cops, because I’ve been doing my homework here (it starts with my not calling them every time a see a “scary” person of color, and realizing that my society has trained me to be suspicious of all people of color, especially if they don’t dress, talk and act like white people), but in the courtroom, the person is already there, and it seems I have to just do what the judge tells me to do, and hope and trust that they are not presenting me with a context and circumstance that isn’t rooted in racism. I would like to know more about how I can move within that role, the way she is moving and stretching the definition of what it means to be a judge, to help ensure that I, as a juror, am giving the degree of respect and humanity toward defendant that they deserve.

    Does anyone have any ideas on this? Resources? I’ve only been a juror on a case once, and the last time I made a fool of myself by turning to the judge (who happened to be standing next to me to watch some video material) and asking him a question that had been bugging me. He looked at me with wide eyes and announced loudly, “Let it be known that Juror 21 has a question.” So I’m not new to racial justice (clearly) but I’m new to being a juror! I could seriously use more resources!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Yes, yes, YES, Amy! You made a lot of really excellent points here, and your question about resources for jurors is a good one. I’m not too sure about this since we’re not legal professionals ourselves (though I hope our community will chime in if they can help!) but there’s no harm in asking questions. Since people’s lives and futures are in jurors’ hands, speaking up, speaking out, asking questions, and getting to the root of someone’s actions can be a great way to bring these issues to light and help make sure real, restorative, healing justice is served.

      • Thank you, Mandy! I will keep making a ruckus, as Seth Godin puts it…I hope you all will keep it up, too! ❤️

        (And correction, I meant to refer to Dr. Joy’s incredible and poignant concept of “Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome.” She’s another changemaker worth checking out, by the way! Watch her YouTube videos by that name, especially the 1hr. 21 min. one, and you’ll see what I mean.)

  81. Amy C. P.

    Thank you so much – both of you – for all that you doing! This was so very inspirational. The thing I am taking away from this is primarily the 4 Principles. I am a mother of a very large family and I know that if we were to use these principles in our homes with our children, there will be less need to use them in the judicial system. Thank you so very much!

  82. This was the best Marie TV I have ever watched. I am currently working with both my Congressman and Assemblyman on changing laws pertaining to domestic violence and changing the way my local police station handles the way they interact with victims. I’ve been feeling like who am I what am I doing and is anyone going to really listen and change. I will watch this interview over and over many times. I cried and smiled and was sooo damn inspired to keep on keeping on. Thank you Judge and thank you Marie ?

    • David Naidu

      We are continuously communicating with the Universe and all our actions and behaviours are actually broadcasting who we really are and all our judgements and bias are our own shortcomings.
      Good work for you are loved and blessed to succeed because you are the power to accomplish all your creativity. Much love, David.

  83. David Naidu

    Thank you so much for your conversation with Judge Pratt. Love and compassion are the foremost aspects that can change people because they resonate with who they truly are. Both of you are doing an excellent job by honouring everyone because of our connectivity of the oneness in all of us.
    You are all blessed and loved with appreciation and gratitude. Much love, David.

  84. Vraj

    Another Amazing podcast!! Thank you for your work and judge victoria pratt is such an inspiration too!

  85. Thank you Marie for this interview. Truly inspirational! Thank you so much for this conversation, for creating a platform for other incredible human beings to share their life-changing actions in the world. She is one badass soul helping us all keep an open and mind, and be more kind in this world. Beautiful!

  86. Kristy Brooks

    Listening to this interview helped me to understand that I am not defined by my mistakes; they have actually made me see cracks in the system and how I can be of service. Its nice to see someone so empathetic in a position of power, and use for the greater good. This interview was inspiring.
    Thank you Marie & Judge Victoria x

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Right on, Kristy! <3

  87. Maggie Maguire

    Judge Pratt is a maverick in her thinking. The value of respect is monumental. Your interview with Judge Pratt was inspiring.

  88. This interview came at a crucial moment. I had been praying to use my talents for good. As a sworn translator
    and interpreter for the court system in Croatia, I was recently surprised to be asked to work for the police department as well. Not only for the city but the entire county. I was all for it till I realized the extremely low hourly wage being offered. I almost turned it down until I saw this interview.
    I realized that my ability to be a lingual most is part of my mission here. I’m an American but my grandparents are Croatian, so I feel right at home here. I realized that I can make the majority of my income through other ways; blogging, translating and perhaps someday write Anne-book.

    I adored Judge Pratt’s down to earth godliness – I have a bit of this special sauce too! – and I decided to shift my focus from economics to making myself of service with a commitment to “over-deliver” which I got from Miss Marie herself ???‍♀️ Thank you darling ?

    So this week I sign my 4 year contract with the police on an on-call interpreter – a front row seat between humanity and law – and truly hope to make a difference here in the beautiful but traditionally tragic Balkan Peninsula. I promise to do my best!! ?

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Wow! This is amazing, Anastasia! You’re in such an incredible position to make a difference and we’re really proud of you for being open to the opportunity. 🙂

  89. Thank you so much for sharing this interview with Judge Pratt. She talks about procedures in a court, but this picture can be extended to any social environment, from a simple relationship between two people, to family to the whole world. So, so important! Judge Pratt is an extraordinary human being, but you Marie are no less for the beautiful work you do for all those who tune in. Thank you!

  90. Kristina

    So inspirational! What an example to all the young kids!

  91. Thank you, as the daughter of a judge, but a very human judge, and having a record of being rather rigid, I cherish the concept of mutual respect as a way to bring about positive change. I do think we are in an era where human beings are transformed into numbers, PINs, buyers, or competitors. To be used, our identity “stolen”, our brain drawn only to bad news and compulsive shopping, and forced into dis-respectful artificial on-line procedures, that use our lifetime and energies. Thank you judge Pratt for reminding us the biggest value of all. Humanity and intelligence bring out the best in us. Thank you Marie.

  92. Angela Spignese

    Thank you for this beautiful interview.

  93. liz

    What an amazing being Judge Pratt is. She is so right about respect, no matter who showed up in front of her, she did not prejudge anyone based on their deeds. Just by repecting the defendants as human beings is the best approach to elevate their self-worth and that itself will help the person respect themselves as some one far superior than how they had gone thru life previously. She is a judge with a big heart and I am sure has saved may wayward beings.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Yes! Showing respect to all costs nothing, but it can make all the difference in the world in people’s lives.

  94. Wow, that was a really emotional episode for me. I can get very caught up in thoughts about how corrupt people in this world are and I often feel like it’s hopeless to try to change the world. But watching this episode reminded me that there are good people full of love that are still trying to make this world a good place to live.

  95. Katell

    Very powerful message of respect, resilience and courage! love these videos.

  96. This interview was a blessing to me for so many reasons. I’ve been asked to facilitate 3 diversity training sessions for a County Public Defenders Staff which is about 146 people. I’m a Diversity Consultant/Trainer. I’ve never worked with a group of attorneys before but I’m not concerned. I’m more focused on providing an interactive, impactful and meaningful training for them. I believe the issues of bias are the same but just different environments. I will be visiting the courtroom and sitting in on some proceedings in order to develop a better understanding of the culture. Thank you Marie and Judge Pratt for such an informative interview. You both are doing big things in the world and most of all making a difference. Again, thanks for sharing.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      YAY, Monique! We hope the public defenders will take your wisdom to heart and treat marginalized communities with more dignity, understanding, and respect. Thank you for the difference you’re making.

  97. I love Judge Pratt. And you, Marie. Thank you both!

  98. Suzanne Thorneycroft

    R E S P E C T!!! yasss!! enough said!

  99. Michelle

    “I have an idea.” -the man in the SUV to the judge
    This is why procedural justice matters. By consistently
    1. giving voice to every person
    2. hearing each as a soloist from their assignment in the choir
    3. gifting respect &
    4. encouraging every positive point along a soul’s evolution
    Judge Pratt is creating space for IDEAS! New ideas can make life more beautiful wherever they originate.

  100. Sara

    I’ve loved many episodes and interviews here on Marie TV but lord was this one GOOD! 😀
    Judge Pratt is amazing!!! Thank you Marie for introducing us to her.

  101. Marie,
    Because you invited Victoria Pratt to be interviewed on your show, I am now a huge fan of hers! Please let her know that whatever position she ever decides to run for in the future, she will have my full support. I am so impressed by her ability to process through the problem-solving resolutions that we, as a country could do to make the necessary changes that MUST be made. how can I/we help? This concept needs to become a full-on movement, in my opinion. I am IN! What now? Let’s get busy! #PSProblemSolved

  102. KJS Dhaliwal

    Thank you for a very moving episode Marie. Over a period of time I have become very cynical about humanity in general and more particularly about the criminal justice system.

    Judge Pratt restores my faith in humanity. She is a wonderful human being. Undoubtedly, communities have to be cared for and served by each one of us and respect should remain central to our interaction at all levels. You inspire us Judge Pratt.

    Thanks again Marie.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Woohoo! It means the world to us that Judge Pratt could restore your faith in humanity. There’s always a creative solution to injustice––it takes opening hearts and opening minds. 🙂

  103. Lesley Edwards

    Judge Pratt for Supreme Court!!!!!

  104. Sharon

    Best.MarieTV.Episode.EVER. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

  105. DarlingAngel

    Beautiful. I love this woman. Wish every court had you. Wish more people in general were like you, Judge Pratt..

  106. Kimberly

    I am tormented by the injustices and the broke system that ultimately killed her.
    My daughter died on June 3, 2018.
    I can’t help but relive all the years of addiction, rehabs, incarcerations and hospital visits that did not show her a drop of dignity; that did not provide her with the most essential things to change a life.

    Thank you Victoria.

  107. Lisa Kempson

    I so loved watching this! What a beautiful and inspiring woman she is…I’m so grateful for learning about how she is changing the platform. It’s wonderful! I agree and hearing this story has reignited my own desire to make the world a better place. Thank you Marie and Victoria…Love and hugs to you both!

    • Heather-Team Forleo

      Lisa, we’re so glad that you found this inspiring. You truly can make the world a better place- action by action, person by person. xo

  108. Benson Modie

    Wow! What a brilliant conversation Marie, the best by far for me. Absolutely inspirational and transformational, and certainly a game changer for human life. Makes you feel so much love for life. What a great life story for Judge Pratt, she is indeed serving her purpose in life. Thank you so much Marie and your team for lighting up the world!

  109. Kat Burns

    Marie, yes- someone I know, love and admire sent me to this interview with Judge Pratt. This interview has lifted me in ways that will take more than words to describe. I’m lifted by seeing a person of color speak with so much authenticity and caring, a person in a powerful position using their power to impact the lives of the people who come before her in such a loving, elevating way. NOt that I’m surprised that a person of color has such insight, no! It’s just so important to see someone who looks like me that lets me know that I, too, can have an impact, can make the changes I want to see. I am so grateful that I had the opportunity to see this interview! When she said ” It’s the ‘what ifs’ I can’t live with” I heard a call to action. When she spoke on “respect” that really touched a place in me that is tender! My parents demanded respect, often without inspiring it. They enforced their demands with an iron fist and my little-girl self said (only in my head, though!) screw this! And I, for the longest time, acted in very disrespectful ways, disrespectful to myself most of all. I had not learned the concept. To see someone who can truly “see” another, who understands how life-changing just that small action is, inspires me to do the same. I am feeling so much gratitude right now!! It’s also wonderful that Judge Pratt is a woman and my heart says “of course a woman would have such compassion and insight! It’s no surprise.” Hearing Judge Pratt shows me that the seeds of change are active!! Thank you. My gratitude to both of you, Marie and Judge Pratt.

  110. After last year’s quake a grammar school was organized in front of my condo in Mexico. We were happy this abandoned place was in use to teach kids. But the parents who come and leave or pick their kids block our entrance and are very violent. We tried to talk to the principal but it was useless. We have changed our agendas in order to avoid contact with them. Thre condominiums around this place. We rather leave very early or come back late. The community the kids come from is very poor and now that you make me THINK they live very difficult situations. Mexico is a different country where laws are not respected. You have given me hope and ideas that might help improved what we are going through. blessings!!!! thanks

    • Heather-Team Forleo

      What an amazin effort for your community, Norma. When there’s hope there’s change. Where there’s compassion, even more hope. You are a beautiful example of both.

  111. jan

    Best episode ever and yes of course it makes total sense….. so much love and Goddess Speed to Judge Pratt I love your style. It was very moving to hear about the courtroom communications and success….using basic human principles, listening and respecting individual circumstances and unique peoples, rock on. What i am going to do from now on…. is make extra effort to attend all my neighbourhood Estate Meetings to support my community. love and light jxxxx

  112. Warren Croce

    Can we get Victoria Pratt on the Supreme Court?! Please!!

  113. Sandra

    I think the better term for what she practices isn’t justice, it’s mercy. At its best, that’s what justice provides – mercy. It’s not about punishing; it’s about providing possibilities…and it does it in a way that allows personal responsibility to flourish.

    • Heather-Team Forleo

      That’s a beautiful word and sentiment, Sandra. We couldn’t agree more.

  114. Judge Victoria makes it so clear, a great judge is a great teacher.

  115. RESPECT is what stood out for me – and how important it is for our society. I love the idea, and the confirmation.
    Thank you very much!

    • Heather-Team Forleo

      Isn’t she amazing, Llyane?! We’re big fans around here as well.

  116. Amy Turner

    Do it afraid
    Belief in Justice for all
    These are the things that matter
    Thank you——

  117. Valerie Lynn Peli

    I just want to hug this beautiful woman! Respect – it can change the world.

  118. wow what a woman…
    I’m in total admiration and full of hope for humanity now



    • Heather-Team Forleo

      We love hearing that, Barbara. We know the feeling. xo

  119. What a wonderful woman! Such brilliance is powerful, inspirational, life changing and true leadership. Excellent interview Marie. Thank you Judge Pratt. True appreciation and invigorates hope for our children’s future.

  120. Parisa

    Jude Pratt’s practical approach based on humanity and respect is inspiring. Getting people to write a reflective essay brings mindfulness and self-awareness into the judicial system both on the part of the judge and the accused. How wonderful to see this ray of light in the otherwise gloomy world of criminal justice. Thank you for this interview. ?

  121. Hi Marie and Team:
    Thank you for sharing Judge Pratt with us. I had not heard of her and her work; such an inspiration.
    Hearing “its in the things that scare you” is the reminder I needed to hear to keep going and keep sharing what I see and what I think people need to talk about. I have a blog on egg freezing and empowering women and sometimes it gets hard to keep talking when I don’t think anyone is really listening, but then when I hear this conversation I realize its just me being scared and I will keep going.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Radell, we’re so glad this conversation sparked such an important reminder in you that YES – what you do matters. That people are listening. We’re wishing you all the best as you keep on going.

  122. Danielle

    WOW!!!! Probably one of the best episodes I’ve ever seen. I feel Judge Pratt’s life and journey in the justice system must be made into a feature film on the big screen!! This was truly a delight to watch and I’m so inspired by her message.
    What resonated the most was her intention to ensure one is heard and seen; that there is a mutual respect at all times. I work in the insurance industry and understand that when one is going through a crisis, how important it is to hold space for them.
    Such an inspiring woman, much like you Marie!! Thank you, thank you, thank you for the work that you do and consistently share.

  123. Kimberly A Thompson

    Watching this interview, I remembered a chapter in my life that is difficult to talk about. I was in a position years ago, during the housing boom of 2005-2007, to watch many poor families of color receive eviction notices as their apartments were being acquired, rents raised, and notices given. I accompanied many to unlawful detainer court – not as an attorney, but as someone to support them and help them navigate the system. I was horrified at the “language of confusion”, the lack of translation, the disrespect, and how the entire system – “soup to nuts” – was oriented against them. Many did not know what their notices were about, there was not translation, and they found out in the court that their homes were at stake. There were so many evictions that the court was beside itself with overload, but there was no recognition of the sources of these evictions. It is still one of the most painful things I’ve witnessed in life. I am well aware that this is not a phenomenon of the past – but also the present. To listen to this interview touches me deeply. It somehow speaks back into those years, and helps me see that there are individuals, like Judge Pratt, whose truly establish and embody justice in a system that often does not see and does not recognize the vulnerable. Today, just over 10 years later, I run a non-profit that creates affordable homes in a rural, high-priced community. Even in my position now, I glean a lot from this interview and Judge Pratt’s clearness of thought, compassion, and dedication to her mission.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Wow Kimberly – your work is so important and needed in the world. It sounds like you were able to take your experience, and the pain of witnessing so many people lose their houses, and transform that suffering into something helpful, beautiful, and impactful. Judge Pratt’s work is so inspiring, and so is yours. Let’s all find more ways to hear each other.

  124. Frank

    Omg this is a good thing. I think it’s make education for many people. Great!!!

  125. Jacqui K

    i can be pretty prejudiced, i think. so i intend to make extra conscious effort to work respect into my own life and those who around me especially at work.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      What a brave and insightful thing to notice about yourself Jacqui. Thank you for sharing this with us, and we’re wishing you all the best as you start to implement these changes in your life.

  126. Joseann

    Watching this from Europe, it was very comforting to see that there are people like Judge Pratt still holding up and improving the standards of the legal system in the USA. I am not sure I heard all four pillars she was mentioning, but I think, voice and neutrality, would be very important. It seems that people who are not given a chance to be heard or who are “deliberately misunderstood”, very often disconnect from society and become angry. I can see myself here very well. I have always been struggling to find a way how to “voice” my concerns in my home country, but never doing it because there is no “neutral ground” for expressing. I would love to know what questions they ask in these “essays” the judge mentioned, are they available somewhere?

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s a really good question, Joseann! I think the essays are just between the person in court and Judge Pratt, but if you’re thinking of assigning essays (to your kids, your students, etc.) you can always choose a question or topic that would encourage them to reflect on a particular topic that could help them grow.

  127. Ines Martin

    Judge Pratt is authentic as a person can be! It’s mesmerizing listening to her. Personally, I wonder where she takes her energy and patience from? How can you be so “awake” listening to any case and not being annoyed at some point during the days or weeks or months or even years? What is her “drive” to continue and to do things over and over and over again? Where does she take her trust that things will change for the better? Not every case will, though. I am very impressed.

  128. Helen Lange

    Loved hearing the basic principles of respect and justice. I was encouraged to learn that sharing our gifts – whether to a small or large audience – improves our communities and the world.

  129. Maria


  130. Thank you for sharing this important message, especially in these times. We need to remember there are good people working hard on the most important things in life – compassion and love. And that it can start with us as individuals and how we treat each person in the world – with respect, love and compassion. Bless you Judge Pratt for exercising and sharing this message.

  131. Patricia Bushman

    Judge Pratt is a gift; thank you for sharing. Her perspective in the courtroom gives hope to the hopeless and dreams to break a downward spiral in those communities that need it. Her philosophies and actions push beyond the boundaries of the communities she serves. Hopefully, her methods will spread across this fine land as it benefits us all. Thank you.

  132. Regina S Islas

    I wish this woman was on the Senate Judiciary Committee!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Maybe one day! 🙂

  133. Juliette

    Wow, what an interview. I am in awe over people like this, who are dedicated to helping others and have courage enough to step through their fear. This really made me think that we all have the potential to go ahead with what we think matters most and take our parts in changing the world.

  134. Christina

    What a thought provoking and inspiring interview. Marie thank you for hosting such amazing people and sharing their gifts, passions and service with your audience.
    Judge Pratt is remarkable. She reminds me that the biggest shifts can happen from the smallest actions and clear intentions based on basic human kindness and respect.

  135. Loved this!! Thank you for interviewing this fabulous woman!!

  136. Tina Kirkpatrick

    I loved the interview. It is one of my favorites. I somehow missed Principal #2. Can you please share it with me? Thank you and blessings.

  137. Skye

    Thank you so much for this interview. I work with vulnerable people, often in crisis, in my day job (high volume, on the phone). I do treat people politely and respectfully but this was a great reminder to take a moment to look at their situation more as a whole, not just another call same as the last. I’m sure this will help me to serve them better and find more meaning in my work. This judge is truly inspiring and practical- someone I can emulate and use the principles straight away.

    • Hailey - Team Forleo

      Thanks so much for your kind words! We’re so grateful for the important work you’re doing to support others and we hope Judge Pratt’s inspiring message continues to spark new ides for you. Thanks for being a part of our bighearted community!

  138. Brilliant recording I really loved listening to all the wonderful examples given by this amazing judge with your beautiful support. My youngest daughter is currently taking care of those who go to court for whatever reason to support and be their for them. She is compassionate and caring and will listen I know. I wonder whether I can send this replay to her if you are ok with this.. Warm thoughts and much love Marie from Mary Llewellyn EFT Founding Master Author “EFT Constellations” Heart-Centred Processes available on Amazon & other outlets worldwide

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      Your daughter sounds like an amazing human, Mary! She’s no doubt been strongly influenced by you 🙂 Yes – please do share this interview with her! Thanks SO much for taking the time to watch.

  139. First, thank you Marie for continuing to bring a diverse set of guests for your audience. This was such an incredible interview and obviously extremely relevant and timely. There is so much everyone can learn from Judge Victoria Pratt. I took a ton of notes! During a time of where decency, class, wisdom/insight and respect are being challenged – in addition to the growing trend of tribalism – Judge Pratt reminds us that there are outstanding, open- minded and critical thinkers like her in the world. And that we too can make the choice to contribute in our own way. Judge Pratt’s level of compassion, wisdom and understanding reminds me of two quotes/thoughts: Steven Covey’s “seek first to understand, then to be understood”. The second is one of the core themes of the mentorship platform for young adults (called Kindling) I’m in the process of building, “what makes us uniquely human, makes us most valuable”. Neither AI or Algorithms can replace the incredibly important human role Judge Pratt serves. Thank you Marie and Judge Pratt for being bright lights and agents of change.

  140. Oh my gosh! I loved this interview with Judge Pratt. What resonated with me was the overall concept of procedural justice. I think it is something teachers and administrators could do in schools to ensure that our students are respected and heard while they understand the full consequences of their actions. Great ideas and video. Thank you for sharing!

  141. Shahnila Ahmad

    That was amazing! I wish all the judges were like that! As a mother and someone who helps new moms as they embark motherhood, I think many feel like they are a failure or not doing it right. Because of so much pressure from society and others, moms go into it thinking they are not enough and don’t trust their own intuition. This spoke to me because moms need to know that their “failure” is indeed an event. Had a bad day with the kids? They can press the reset button and get up and try again and mend their relationship.

  142. Georgia

    Not only do criminals/homeless/poor/unfortunate people need a sense of worth and praise, ALL people need it! Encouragement and love builds us up – criticism tears us down. Your colleagues, your children, the post office clerk, etc, they all need encouragement, love and acceptance. Please, be kind.

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      Beautifully stated, Georgia – it’s SO true and so needed! XOXO

  143. movement educator

    It was a privilege to watch this episode with Judge Pratt. My young son is going through a legal crisis . We are blessed to have economic privilege – and we understand that at this time white skin is a privilege in the criminal justice system. As a mother of a defendant, I am deeply impacted by the way Judge Pratt has implemented the 4 procedural justice principles; and I am exploring how I might use restorative justice training on the local level to bring procedural justice to our community/courthouse. I work as a counselor educator to help cultivate a community of somatic counselors who develop a therapeutic relationship with social justice sensitivity and awareness of the impact of power, privilege and difference – to help improve this world for everyone. Thank you MarieTV for the episode.

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      It sounds like you’re doing absolutely amazing, important work in your own community – keep up the fantastic work! It’s so very needed. We’re sending all our best wishes to you and your family as you move through this challenging time, and are so honored to have you tuning in here.

  144. Lisa Blakeney

    Wow, this is truly profound. I love Judge Pratt and wish more judges felt like this. She has inspired me to do more, act with more respect to everyone, and spread loving kindness even more than I do now. I will certainly be checking out her Ted Talk.
    Thank you, Marie!!

  145. Wow. I loved every word of this. As someone who has worked (in a former life) with juvenile justice and adult incarceration I’m so inspired by her vision and her practice. Dr. Pratt gives me hope and I’m sharing this interview will all of my friends in places that can have impact. Thank you.

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      Thank you SO much for sharing this interview with others, Beth! We’re thrilled that it was inspiring for you and gave you a sense of hope. We truly appreciate you spreading the love!

  146. Eva

    Wow she is a light in this world! Respect is what I find one of the most important because when u give and show respect to someone who they have lost that for themselves. It’s the beginning of self love and acceptance and to be seen and isn’t that what we all want but especially when your in crisis. Marie your amazing thank you for your guidance and views . Its five in the morning and I cant sleep so I thought I catch up on Marie talks and boy I am glad I did. Thanks again for all that u do. E

  147. Judge Pratt is so refreshing – and shows the exact respect that we would hope ALL judges would treat individuals in their courtrooms. As a lawyer myself who creates DIY legal documents with as little legalese as possible, I so value her commitment to use plain English and make the law understandable. She definitely is full of “Legal Love”!

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      YES, Lisa! We so admire and appreciate this about you both. Keep being your amazing self and sharing your Legal Love with the world! XOXO

  148. Catherine Vaughan

    These principles work together. I like the idea that respect is contagious—like kindness. I lead an event called, “Becoming Kind-Minded in a Crazy-Making World: The Power of Song to Cultivate Kindness”. At the last session, each participant received a certificate recognizing that they were now a “Certified Contagious Kindness Carrier”. Judge Pratt is certainly that. Thank you, Your Honor.

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  150. Laree

    I love her ! Crying with joy that there are people like her where it matters most.


  151. Mariza

    I’m blown away! What a wonderful human, we need more human judges who can approach people with humanity, compassion, openness.

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