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Imagine creating a work of art or building a business empire that becomes an essential part of the world long after you’re gone.

It’s not an uncommon dream, but the reality of making it happen is much different. There’s nothing glamorous about the daily grind that goes into creating something that lasts.

People claim to want to do something that matters, yet they measure themselves against things that don’t. @RyanHoliday Click To Tweet

But somehow, sagas like Star Wars keep being made. Legends like Ella Fitzgerald record over 200 albums and around 2,000 songs during a 50-plus-year career. So, how did they do it?

Ryan Holiday has written an entire book on the subject called Perennial Seller, so if you’ve ever dreamt of making something that lasts a lifetime, this can help. On this MarieTV we talk about what it means to take the long view of success and so much more, including:

  • The one superpower to develop if you plan to complete a big project.
  • Ryan’s unexpected gratitude practice (it’s definitely not what you think).
  • What his new cows — yes, cows ? — taught him about patience.
  • How having a child has actually made him more productive, and the method you can use regardless of whether or not you have kids.

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Grab your notebook because Ryan has a lot to share on what it means to create work that lasts a lifetime.

Once you’ve had a chance to watch, tell us which idea meant the most to you and why.

In your comment, share as much detail as you can. Because thousands of incredible souls come here each week for insight and inspiration. Your story may be just what someone else needs to have a major breakthrough!

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Moral of the story: nearly everyone who’s ever created something remarkable took a long time to get there.

You have that same power within you. Keep on keepin’ on and you will get there.

All my love,


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  1. That’s very very timely: working on the project of my life at a time when i haven’t earned since two years and keep looking at the column ‘amount of work still to be done’ and the column ‘quick money to stop that account going down and down …’
    But it’s a time when i took the challenge to shift from training on self empowerment and spiritual growth to online work and writing – so there’s not way back =).
    Thanks for taking up the subject. it will reinforce my own self talk =)
    Love and gratitude

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      So glad it was helpful, Frederic! We’ve got our fingers crossed that there’s a breakthrough in your near future. We believe in you!

    • Agree with Frederic completely. So timely — probably to all of us who have spent years (and years and years) working on projects, and still see a mountain of work ahead (without enough to show for it yet).

      I thought this interview was fantastic, and really appreciate you sharing Ryan’s thoughts and insights. I have a couple of books to buy.

  2. I open my email and here you were. This message is so for me right now. I have been working on my new website business for a few months now all jolly ( minus that other 5 website fails that I’ve had 🙂 ) . Then I looked at my traffic today…instead of growing it fell really badly.
    I felt deflated.
    And started wondering why am I putting in all this effort when it feels like no one is either listening or watching.
    Don’t get me wrong, I have no intention to stop, but I just was at a low point these 2 days, then your video showed up!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Oof, that’s a rough feeling. Business is full of ups and downs, so please don’t let that discourage you. We’re big fans of marketing, so it may help to consider what you can do marketing-wise to get more eyes on your site. We’ve got our fingers crossed that things will start looking up soon!

    • Hi Joan, I believe the set backs we encounter make us so much richer in experience. It’s said that the mega success stories have had many many discouraging experiences, ultimately making them richer in knowledge and expediting their success after any set backs. I too resonate with you, my goodness.

    • Elena QueenCityCare The street pets’ vet

      Congratulations Joan, on all the progress you’re making!

  3. Hi Marie and Ryan!

    Wonderful interview and so refreshing to hear a conversation that is full of real life, not fantasy dreaming. Silver linings are my fav natural practice. In fact, that ebook I sold, then put on the shelf…it may be time to reintroduce it at a new level. Thanks for both of your encouragement and great insight!

    Enjoy Austin and your new person Ryan. I know some cool baby and parent organizing/cleaning actions if you ever find yourself in a messy situation. Take care!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s exciting! Reintroducing books/updating a new edition of the book can be a great way to get more people interested in your work. We’ve got our fingers crossed for you!

  4. I’m a lurker. I watch and listen and use a lot of advice from Marie TV. But today I had to comment. When Ryan said, “If you can’t tolerate crappiness if you can’t tolerate a crappy first draft, you’re never going to get to polished, excellent prose.” YES! I’ve never heard it said this way, but this is absolute truth. Thank you for putting it into words, Ryan. And thank you, Marie, for excellent Marie TV.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Right on! That’s such a great insight and we’re so glad you commented. You’re welcome to share your thoughts anytime––we’re happy to hear them and are honored you’re in our MarieTV family. 🙂

  5. I NEEDED THIS! “When you…do something big you can work for whole days or whole weeks and not be a percentage point closer to finishing…you have to develop this capacity to chug away and be ok without the perception of momentum” + “If you’re not willing to hang with that discomfort….you’ll never get to the end…”

    I am smack dab in the middle of a vision-shift because my business was failing. The good news? I have an amazing idea and process to fulfill that idea. The bad news? I’m almost broke. Financial pressures and analysis paralysis are getting me down, but watching this video today helped me feel a lot better about “going slow” to create a better-baked end result vs a cheap get-rich-quick scheme. Marie, for so long I felt like there was something wrong with me that I’m slow at the creative process, but clearly you are mad proof that great things come from those who take their time! And Ryan, I LOVE the concept of being grateful for the terrible things in life. My husband calls me “Silver Lining Katie” and it really is my most constructive superpower. Thanks to you both! This already made my month and we just started!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Slow and steady really does win the race, and baby steps add up to leaps and bounds over time. It’s okay to go as slow as you need to and as your budget allows––we support that and know it’s a great way to make things happen. 🙂

  6. Mitzi Sinnott

    Loved hearing -Ryan is focusing on “the things/experiences you hated… how to be thankful for the change it made in your life!” 100. I’ve been sitting with this as well. It takes time to see the “blessing” but I agree life could have more ease if we can feel the value in the pain/discomfort AS ITS PRESENT.
    thanks Ms Marie! XO

    • Brittany Trumble

      Couldn’t agree more. I have always found that when something doesn’t go my way or my business approach doesn’t go as planned I’ll feel discouraged and upset. But then I think of another great new idea to pivot my approach, that’s even better, and I realize all these bumps along the ways need to happen in order for me to get to where I need to be.

  7. My all time fav interview … so profound, so real! I loved when Ryan shared his gratitude practice because I could truly relate. When I think about my greatest achievements, they came when life served me lemons and I stopped to understand why and realized that with them I can make lemonade instead! I also love how open you, Ryan and others on the show are about the uglier side of entrepreneurship with the incredible amount of work it takes without immediate rewards that we’ve been used to measuring our success on in other facets of our life. Thank you I feel that much better in taking days to get my ad copy game on!! Great episode!

  8. Oh man! So many nuggets of wisdom here! My favorite and most timely is being ok with the feeling of being in the process. I am constantly measuring my progress against my own version of where I should be {written and published my second book or hitting the elusive 6 figure income mark} rather than taking the time to be ok with where I am and being in the process {setting aside an hour each day to write and loving on each dollar in my account}.
    I love that Marie says she is a turtle. Slow and steady. 🙂
    Can’t wait to read Ryan’s books – they are now all on my wish list – especially the Obstacle is the Way.
    Keep going fellow turtles!

    • Almost forgot! How am I going to put it into action…
      I am going to put my writing hour back into my google calendar today! Small % progress still counts! #2 go back to my Money Love and look at my account balances daily and give thanks for each penny.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      YES! This is such a beautiful takeaway. Staying present and living in the moment when you’re not where you want to be can be challenging, so I hope you’ll find Marie’s wisdom on the subject helpful:

      • These are perfect Mandy! Thank you for the great resources and encouragement!

  9. Hi Marie & Ryan!
    I’m loving the freedom of shifting my view from quick results to the longer runway of success. Thank you for this broader perspective. It takes off undue pressure for my creativity and life. My heart knows the truth about where I’m going, even when my ego thinks it knows a shorter route. Ha! ?

  10. Patricia Keller

    Hello and thank you do much for this great interview full of smart advice! I agree completely with Katie^s comment above and also witb Joan and Frederick about timing – sometimes we need so badly some encouragement when we are in middle of that ^creative discomfort phase^, which might seem to never end! And yes, in these times of easy and fsst consumption habits, we should train more patience, discipline and remember, that hard work is necessary to get the excellent work done to be successful in the long term…I wih I would live nearer to the nothern hemisfere to have the opportunity to meet you. Thanks again and xoxo to bith of you, Marie and Ryan

  11. I really enjoyed this interview. All of it, really (and he’s so dang cute) … but I loved the idea of pre-writing the back cover or the press release and specifically how he said to ask yourself why Oprah or you (Marie) would be singing its praises. That’s so practical visual and genius. Back in the day, when I was a college basketball coach, we had an important game against a team we barely belonged on the same court with—and I wrote a post game article about us winning the game. I made it look like a real article, with a headline and quotes, etc. … and I gave each player and coach a copy after shoot around. We won the game. So I get this tactic and believe in it and love it. I’d sorta forgotten about it, so thank you!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Cool, Anna! We’re so glad this episode reminded you of this exercise. It’s so smart! 🙂

    • What a brilliant idea! I’ll add writing an article about my successful and thriving life coaching business to my list of weekly goals.

    • I love that you did that! I have been practicing visualization and gratefulness of singing jazz again in clubs; and hopefully it will manifest!

  12. Absolutely love this interview. Both Marie and Ryan on their best.
    It helps me to become more confidant with my success and failures both.
    Life as a success and planned career being very slow but certain :).
    Time is on my side and instead of running for first place, I can keep quality and autonomy in what I do as my lead way.
    Thanks, Els van der Horst

  13. Sarah Saleh

    This video is exactly what the doctor recommended, especially for me in my current position. It only affirmed that I’m on the right path to arriving where I want to be one day. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

  14. The most impactful take away for me is: “Write the press release/back cover when the book is in the idea phase”. I have been working on a book for a while now, and am wanting to make it a must read, yet have been stumbling over the way in which I write it, to reach the greatest number of people. Not only did this episode give me the impetus to write the press release/back cover, it gave me the idea for the way in which I can present it, that many people already know, yet do not apply to this topic.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Yes! That’s so great to hear! We’re thrilled that this exercise helped you get such helpful clarity.

  15. Carmen J Casarez

    Great interview. I am not familiar with your guest until now. Thank you.

  16. Thank you so much Marie and Ryan for your message this morning. I’ve just gone live with my project of two years and already feeling things are not going as fast as I would like it to. I’m constantly feeling as though this is a tortoise and hare race, and I’m the tortoise obviously and after listening to Ryan talking, I need to perhaps not put myself under so much pressure. I have a great product and I know it but I don’t love marketing as much as I love creating the content so I’ll have to learn to love marketing. Thanks again for the great and inspiring talk!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      And many times people start out slow and can speed up as they gain momentum over time. That doesn’t always happen and it may not be necessary, though it’s a possibility. Stay strong; we’re rooting for you!

  17. Being grateful for the negatives and the choices that changed our paths is a take away that resonated with me. We are where we are because of every step along the way- good or bad. Having that appreciation and ability to see how those perceived negatives or “bad choices that hurt you” which truly got you to where you are is key. Growing oneself in a positive way from those places or struggles is what moves me forward to be a better person, love myself more and what I want to inspire in others.

  18. Noelle Leemburg

    This is perfect timing for me too! I know what I’m doing serves me and will serve thousands, so it’s worth doing. I love Ryan’s message around don’t think in seconds and give up. A few weeks are not significant most of the time. Marie, good to know you have been at this for so long. I’d be interested in hearing more about your story. When are you publishing your first book?

    Thanks for you interview and Ryan, thanks for sharing your philosophy.

  19. Thanks Ryan and Marie,
    Thank you especially for “gifting the time to play!” I’ve been working hard at my business as an author coach for well over a year, and have reached the client load to replace my salary as a school teacher. I put in my notice last week.
    It’s crazy, but knowing that I won’t be working two jobs come June is making me feel guilty. Wasn’t I put here on earth to work my ass off? Do I have the right to take up the space to think and create, and even revel in NEW IDEAS!
    Finally the answer is sinking in that, yes! I was put here to help others nurture the depth of their authentic stories into books, and I’m actually going to have the time to work on my own second and third book as well. This is so controversial to my brain. But I’m doing it!
    It was so important to take the time to really listen and get excited by your words.
    Thanks again,

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      CONGRATS! You’ve worked so hard and we’re really proud of you that you’ll soon be full-time in your business. That’s exciting and we’re so happy for you!

  20. Marian Miklagard

    Thank you! I believe everything comes to me at the right time and this sure did! For a while I’ve been wanting to just give up on my business, as it doesn’t go very well. But this gets me thinking differently about it. I realise that I am very impatient when it comes to creating. If things don’t work out immediately, I have failed. I have to learn to be as patient with myself and the process, as I am with people around me.

    This is the first time I hear about stoic philosophy. I like it and in my personal life I party live it. As I always try to see the good in any situation or experience. Have to transfer that to my business as well.
    I am actually about to start blogging about how to live a happy life with passion and positivity regardless of any obstacles, using my own experience. I see my injured back as a blessing, as it lead me to where I am today.

    Thank you.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      And failing once doesn’t mean failing forever! Sometimes the biggest breakthroughs and successes come on the heels of a failure. Marie talked about this with someone else she interviewed a few weeks back (Suzy Batiz, who created Poo-Pourri) and I think you’ll like what she has to share as well:

  21. I needed this at exactly this time, right now. Applying the relevant knowledge and application from B School has taken me through a roller coaster of emotions about not having done this or that to bring my business to the level I desire. This interview has left me feeling at ease with where I am perfectly today, and putting an end to the destructive comparison to others that has plagued me for far too long. I was conditioned as a child to feel this way and its taken years to unravel the damaging affects. I understand and really appreciate where I am today, and feel the small steps I now take on a daily basis are inevitably helping me reach my BIG goals! Super pumped! Thank you for this amazing interview.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      You’re doing great, Tina! Just the fact that you’re showing up and doing the work means you’re miles ahead of everyone who’s afraid to try. Business is full of ups and downs, but that also means you’re going somewhere. 🙂

  22. Dear Marie and Ryan,
    This was just what I needed to hear today! I’m a B-Schooler, and it took me 3 years of planning & figuring things out before I was finally able to launch my website this year! I also just started out on social media – talking about slow, organic growth! It has been feeling more like stagnation for weeks…
    Yes, you have to be ok in the discomfort & have faith. It’s often so hard when you’re in it. The headlights metaphor is one of my favorites, too. Building up a business from scratch takes an incredible amount of patience and trust.
    I laughed, teary-eyed, when Ryan said “Painters like painting, and writers like having written”. I am both, and I couldn’t agree more 🙂
    I was recently reminded that the obstacle is indeed the way, when I messed up a drawing I worked on for days. But it ended up becoming an entertaining story for my blog, much more fun than it would have been had it turned out the way I intended.
    It’s always rewarding to look for the gold hidden in seemingly bad circumstances, though sometimes it can take many years to find it. It’s the same with people who “bother” us. These are the most precious angels-in-disguise, for they “poke” us exactly where we have a deficit, and give us the chance to notice this so we can heal ourselves.
    Thank you both wholeheartedly!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Congrats, Christina! It’s awesome that you’ve launched your site and social media––those are big steps!

  23. The concept of patience in creating great product can also be directly applied to raising children and parenting. When he began the conversation, the link was not firing in my brain. After he talked about his new baby, I immediately had to think of this overlooked and underappreciated applicability. The more pressure we put on them or ourselves in the process while losing sight of the longer-than-long marathon, the more the product (i.e. a healthy developed individual that is a healthy contributor to larger society) suffers. We tend to see these concepts as valuable in service or product creation, however, I personally see the connection to human development as profound. Thank you for another excellent contribution!

  24. This came at the PERFECT time for me. I’m in the middle of three pretty big projects, one which I intend to be how I make my living, one a major labor of love that I hope will be a small but consistent income stream that I can count on a couple times a year, and one a physical product I’m collaborating on with a friend that has the potential to be up-to-the-sky amazing for both of us – so the ideas that we must take time to think things through, make sure we get it right, and take care of ourselves through the process, needed affirming for me today as I recover from a fun and wonderful but physically very stressful day yesterday. Thanks as always, Marie. I love the Stoics, and always try to see the good in the unexpected. So today I will nurse my sun and wind burns and let my nose and lungs clear of dust, dirt and ash from the crazy howling wind as I contemplate the next right thing to do to make my projects even better.

  25. What a powerful and timely conversation. The Gratitude idea was gold – to actually accept the negative things that come into your life as gifts is key to not only accepting and loving what is so … but also extending your heart to those who give you tough lessons. YES!

  26. Most sticky takeaway from this one: The part about “upgrading” your gratitude practice to include the not-so-nice things in life, and identifying where you can find gratitude in them.
    Thank you both. 🙂

  27. amanda

    i love love love the “gratitude for those that make ya crazy” direction. I’ve struggled with what I felt was the hollowness of gratitude journals, but this is awesome! Really enables you to develop mental flexibility, think differently, all while bringing more peace into the world. I bet it’s going to be so. damn. hard. I’m on it, gratitude journal is getting real!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      So glad Ryan’s gratitude tips were helpful! I know what you mean about gratitude journaling (sometimes I just felt like something was missing or that I was somehow doing it wrong) so it’s wonderful that this exercise will help you take it to the next level. 🙂

  28. Thank you so much! Ryan, you are so humble in your approach that it makes the information very digestible. I am not a writer and I find myself in a position where I have to write a book. I am incredibly passionate about the subject but find it difficult to put it on paper (figuratively). When I do workshops or key notes it is easy because I can use body language, pictures, games, and exercises. In print it feels like it has to be perfect and I just can’t seem to get it there. Simply knowing that great writers struggle with this helps me, the non writer, accept the struggle and embrace the challenge. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

  29. What a wonderful episode, Marie. Thank you, Ryan, for so much wisdom and insight. This was exactly what I needed to watch today as I’m revising a novel that I’ve been working on for three years. I’m so frustrated with how long it’s taking, and the time it takes to get feedback from others in the industry, but you inspired me to slow down. One week one way or the other won’t make a difference in the long run, and in the end it will be a better product – one that will hopefully live on shelves for many years.

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      YES, Anne! It’s so true. We’re really glad what Ryan shared here was reassuring for you. Keep going – you’ll get there!

  30. There’s so much in this interview that resonated with me, and I wasn’t even aware of Ryan Holiday! (A brilliant reminder that there’s room for all of us, and now I’ve gotta go check him out.)
    Deadlines are a very effective tool, but taking time to complete a task with integrity makes a difference. I remember turning in an assignment late, being marked down, but still getting a higher grade than someone who had turned the assignment in on time. The extra time I put in, more than made up for the tardiness by producing a better end result.
    I also heard lessons I learned in yoga, about being present and grateful for what we have here and now, no matter what that looks like. There’s so much to learn, and our self-awareness is the tool to access it.

  31. Marie! This hit me so good.
    I’m in the startup phase and it IS messy.
    I typically feel like not much is getting done, yet my brain hurts from so much ‘creating’ going on internally. This interview was so helpful in knowing I’m not alone.
    Thank you!

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      You are definitely not alone in this very internal creative process, Cassandra! Keep embracing the beautiful messiness, and following your own intuition about your next right steps. We’re excited for you!

  32. Elena

    Hi Marie and everyone at team Forleo!
    This was so completely timely for me as well. I have founded Queen City Care, here in Charlotte, North Carolina. I’m a veterinarian and, this is the side hustle of my heart- not what pays my bills. QCC provides veterinary Healthcare to the pets of the men and women who are homeless on the streets of Charlotte. What’s great about this what is it a service that no one else is providing. What’s amazing exciting and awesome about it? Giving dignity respect serving the health of these animals and the public health by preventing disease and what is the value to our homeless from their perspective? Being honored and seen as human beings receiving dignity in the treatment they receive from us not just the healthcare their pets receive and of course lengthening the life and creating a healthier life for their best friend and companion. This is such healthcare to the pets of the men and women who are homeless on the streets of Charlotte. What’s great about this /what is it? A service that no one else is providing. What’s amazing exciting and awesome about it? Giving dignity and respect, serving the health of these animals —and the public health by preventing disease –
    and what is the value to our homeless from their perspective? Being honored and seen as human beings receiving dignity through the way we treat them us not just the healthcare their pets receive and of course lengthening the life and creating a healthier life for their best friend and companion. This work is such a privilege to do. I’m definitely embracing the suck, knowing that tenacity needed to slog through the permits and the donations and the nonprofit set up process and all that is involved but I am enjoying every minute of it. Thank you for the inspiration and the continued wisdom!
    Much love ,

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      Wow, Elena! Keep up the amazing, generous work you’re doing through Queen City Care to care for these sweet animals and their owners. The heart you pour into this shines through beautifully. You inspire us!

      • Elena QueenCityCare The street pets’ vet

        Thank you so much for taking the time to comment, and for all the encouragement. It’s easy to do love this work, and that’s what gets me through what hard to do in executing it

  33. Thanks so much for this interview Marie and Ryan! I love when Ryan talked about patience and not being too attached to exactly when something will happen. It really is about “the long game”.
    I also loved taking something that may have been horrible that happens in our lives– and how can we make it at least 1% better? That was really inspiring.
    It’s so true, we are not always going to react in enlightened ways to things that happen or don’t happen, yet we always have a choice. I like to get my frustrations out and move on to the solution—which very much seems like the stoicism part that Ryan mentioned.
    Great video!

  34. Liz

    Thanks Ryan and Marie,
    I really loved that idea of re-framing how we think about gratitude. I agree that it is so important to be grateful for not just the good things, but also the hard, difficult, and frustrating things that happen in life. It’s something that I’ve never thought of so formally before, but that I do strive to do when I can. Especially after this past year, when I was injured and had a lot of mobility issues to work through in recovery. It made me learn so much about myself and have such deep respect and appreciation for those people who have chronic mobility issues.
    I think it’s also something that you can easily translate into any work you are doing.

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      Liz, we’re glad to hear this way of approaching gratitude resonated with you and a practice you’re already bringing to your life. We’re sorry to hear about the challenges you’ve been facing with injuries and mobility recently. How beautiful that you’ve allowed this experience to open up a space of compassion for others going through similar difficulties, and deepen your relationship with yourself. So powerful!

  35. Sharon Bailey

    I have maintained a gratitude practice for many many years and I have always appreciated finding the “silver lining” in negative situations but to actually name a person who has been a challenge for me and state what I am grateful for, puts a whole new spin on how to look for the sunny side. I believe challenging people or situations are tools to allow us personal growth. This will enhance my practice for sure. Thank you!!!

  36. Rini

    This was really insightful for me because I keep educating myself about a possible business idea for months on end, and then right as I’m ready to get started, I talk myself out of it. I can’t see the quick wins and I get overwhelmed by the prospect of drudging through the work for 3-5 years or even longer before I can become successful. This interview has helped me to realize what I should have realized back when I was reading “The War of Art” by Steve Pressfield: just do the work, even if you don’t feel like it. I also love the idea of seeing something to the end and it giving me lazer focus on what I want to develop from start to finish. I’ve been budding with ideas since I was a child and I have literally never capitalized on a single one. I’m 33 now and worried my life is passing me by as I keep circling back to old ideas.
    And MY stoic insight on that is, all these things I’m circling back to can compliment each-other somehow and really bring out a sort of harmony to whatever I create going forward; I never would have had that chance had I not spent all this time on research and asking deeper questions all these years.

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      Absolutely, Rini! You have such a great perspective on your many ideas – you’ve been developing and finding the harmony in them by exploring these deeper questions over the years, and simply giving yourself time to discover the congruence. We know you’ll get there!

      I have a feeling you’ll also really enjoy this episode of MarieTV, when it comes to tapping into that sustainable source of inspiration:

  37. hey there! Thanks for this! I LOVE the being grateful for EVERYTHING exercise.
    The thing that I am using now that has shifted me SO MUCH is this thought or prayer, etc. “thank you divine for the ease with which I am getting out of my own way so that all the people that need my energy healing sessions, my art, etc are coming to me and receiving the benefits.” So it’s a way of thinking what is true, THAT OTHER PEOPLE NEED WHAT YOU HAVE TO OFFER so get out of your OWN WAY to let them benefit from your skills! It completely turned around my getting energy healing and spiritual life coaching clients. So hopefully others can benefit from this approach as well!

  38. Hi Marie and Ryan,
    My take away is – That success is a long term thing. Something I needed to be reminded of. As a business owner there are days I wonder why I am doing what I do and why I am not moving along faster.
    Thank you so much for reinforcing that success is not an overnight thing.

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      Of course, we’re always happy to remind you of this, Donna! Be patient with yourself, and try to celebrate your little achievements and progress along the way. Remember, we’re building success over time, not overnight 🙂

  39. Catherine

    Ryan’s practice of gratitude in all circumstances is a beautiful way of “Loving What Is”, according to Byron Katie’s Work…
    I always find it inspiring to hear personal experiences of such a counter intuitive approach : it reinforces my own practice!
    Un grand merci de Bretagne (France) !
    Catherine, a faithful and enthusiastic MF Insider

    • I was thinking the exact same thing, Catherine.

  40. Without a doubt my favorite episode ever. Finding the gift from something seemingly bad, frustrating, negative is huge, not just because it sounds like big picture thinking but because it actually takes us places we can’t get to otherwise…

  41. Leah

    I have been working sporadically on my blog. It IS very hard work to do the research and compile everything with the utmost of diligence even for something small scale. The act of getting caught in mental loops, the frustrations and the dead ends and the sheer annoying aspects that accompany it are enough to frustrate anyone. I have the burden of a health condition which denies me necessary strength and endurance & has stymied me from taking longer than usual stretches with my efforts and productivity. It has meant I have veered off path and indulged in unnecessary distractions and not always in many instances remained focussed. A strong body is a strong mind. I have been researching a crystal called Vanadinite which enables you to persist and to stay with the process no matter how messy and undesirable the in-between is. It encourages the kind of strength and fortitude to keep persisting admist the chaotic loose ends and frayed nerves. Vanadinite requires careful handling as it can be toxic so I have been advised. Its no real concern so long as you have respect for the stone. Just putting this info out there if you a crystal officianado wanting the open door to even more fruitful endeavours.

  42. I loved this talk! And seeing you up close, Marie, in all your warm lovely energy!
    I was surprised to discover you are a ‘turtle’ :-).
    I was grateful for the reminder that we all need to push through the discomfort (fear!) when you are working on a creative project and you don’t know, CAN’T know what’s next. And that writing takes time. I will persevere… because my audience deserves to to hear my voice, my words, my point of view (fwhew!).

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      Yes yes, Stéphanie – people really do need to hear what you have within you, so keep pushing through those uncomfortable moments in the creative process! And keep trusting your own pace, whatever that may be 🙂

  43. Marie you have the most perfect timing! You really are reading my mind aren’t you?? I’m working on writing my first book centered around confidence and I’ve been stuck at 12 pages for the last 6 months – and of course I’ve been beating myself up about it!

    Last week I asked my fellow business buddies and friends to let me talk to them about confidence for market research in exchange for free coaching and the response has been amazing! Today, I posted in my groups that I’m a part of to continue to grow the list of people I talk to and my mind is buzzing with all these problems to solve and questions to answer and topics to write about.

    It’s the best feeling! I love the idea of slowing down, of doing amazing quality work at a pace I can sustain and not beating myself up about being “farther ahead”. My own book about confidence is a good thing for me! It’s forcing me to practice what I preach.

    Love this episode Marie, thanks to you, Ryan and the team!

    xo Rachael

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      This is SO awesome, Rachael! Keep up the amazing, quality research you’re doing. Your work is so important and needed in the world. Absolutely love that you’re finding a pace you can sustain, trusting your timing, and being gentle with yourself in the process! And yes – so interesting how we often share the lessons we most need to learn, isn’t it?? Thank you so much for tuning in.

  44. Really enjoyed this, as usual!
    Marie, I’ve never complained or been offended at colorful language in your videos, but wanted to say thanks for muting it out of this. I really appreciate it! Its very thoughtful and such a great solution to allow you to be yourself and yet keep it away from those who don’t like it. Thank you!

  45. Sílvia

    What a wonderful interview, thank you Marie and Ryan.
    Now that I finished B School and after going through each module and
    fun sheet it’s time to take action but I really want to do it slow, giving me the time and the space to enjoy the process, just as Ryan said: “…any project takes time… to create a product you need to have patience and space to play… the hardest thing is not the dream or the idea, but the ACTION…”
    So now for me is time to take action!

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      YES to action, Sílvia!! Keep trusting your own pace and making consistent progress over time. You know we’re cheering you on every step of the way over here! XOXO

  46. “If you don’t know where you’re going, it’s unlikely you’re going to end up there.” Whew!
    Hadn’t heard of Ryan Holiday until today. Really “grateful” for several of the challenges he offered. I published a book at the beginning of this year and am currently working on a project to go with it.
    The quote above is something my wife has been saying to me for awhile – I just wasn’t hearing her! (like that’s never happened before). Sometimes we need to hear something from a different perspective to really hear it.
    Thank you Ryan (and Marie) for the pause. Time to reflect and reconsider “my vision of what I want to do”.

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      So happy this message struck a chord with you today, David. Huge congrats on your new book! We’re sending lots of positive wishes your way as you take the time to reflect on your larger vision. Exciting things ahead!

  47. Patience! You Marie said it many times before but often timing is everything and hearing it from Ryan again gave me reassurance that I’m on the right path. I don’t doubt that I’ve the right business model that can help millions of people, and am happy to see the first fruits of my labor. I’ll be patient and enjoy the journey 🙂

  48. Raha

    Honestly, was turned off near the beginning by how socio-economically limited Holiday painted the pursuit of knowledge to be. Holiday mentioned that the idea of protesting unpaid internships was incredibly shortsighted because it didn’t account for the value that could be derived from internships under really awesome people. What about those who cannot afford to be paid nothing in return for knowledge? Is the pursuit of long-term knowledge, growth and passion only available to those rich enough to dive into it? I could easily see someone a little more economically disadvantaged than Holiday being turned off by points like these, and encourage passion talks to be truly inclusive.

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      Raha, we absolutely hear where you’re coming from and appreciate you adding your voice to this conversation. While the value of working for and with someone who can be a mentor is priceless, we do always believe that people should fairly pay employees or contractors working for them, as that’s incredibly important. If that work can be with an incredible mentor, so much the better. Thank you again for sharing this important perspective!

  49. Consistency and that it takes time to build. I struggle with discouragement that my first course launch was so tiny. I am preparing for launch number 2 but I am better prepared this time. I am going to continue to work at refining this course and my launches and in time I think I will have a winning formula.

    • Julia - Team Forleo

      Absolutely, Jennifer – keep going! We all build things up and learn over time from experience. You may be surprised to know that Marie herself began launching her programs in a similar way, very very small. Be sure to watch this episode for more benefits of starting small and growing over time!

  50. This is exactly what I needed to hear today. I’ve just started a business as a yoga teacher and wellness coach and I’m learning how to have patience and faith – it’s being tested! But the lessons he provided in keeping going and being grateful for the not-so-fun-stuff really helps. Thanks guys!

  51. Loved listening to this video as well as Helen’s reply just above my comment. I have found since publishing my book “EFT Constellations” Heart-Centred Processes for Self-Confidence & Healthy Independence this video is resonating so much of what I have been listening to.

  52. Jill

    Big aha moments include:
    1) Not getting into a frenzy to have it all perfectly done ASAP
    2) It’s not rocket science and not insurmountable
    3) Holding the vision and moving closer to it in miniscule steps is hard work for EVERYONE
    4) OMG, men like Ryan Holiday exist!! Stoic philosopher meets farmer – where have you been all my life. Hahaha 🙂

  53. Natalie Moon-Wainwright

    Love this new take on a gratitude practice. Rob Bell (among others) talks about how difficult people are in your life to teach you something. This is something to be grateful for! I will be adding this to my daily practice to change my perspective, reframe, learn something new!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s such a good point! Often the best lessons come from the most frustrating situations.

  54. odile

    so helpful, I can take the time I need to grow, grow my projects, my writings, my online business and my Art as a performer! So refreshing and relieving, I feel like I have a century in front of me, maybe I don’t have so much but the feeling of it is just a blessing! thank you for pushing the pressure away!

  55. I really appreciate the last bit on not being perfect even though he writes about these “big” concepts like stoicism. I really live by, embrace, and put forward the idea that it’s okay to be mad, and show it, as long as we are constantly learning from those outbursts. And perhaps the next one will go a little bit better. A little bit less embarrassing. As a mom of 3 girls who is CONSTANTLY making parenting mistakes, my goal is just to get a little bit better each day. I appreciate that honesty and transparency.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      You’re a rock star, Heather, and you’re doing great! 🙂

  56. Excellent, nuff said!

  57. 1 – How can I make this one step better? – Great insight in the long road to success. Simple reminder not to get caught up in grandiose fantasies about being the next superstar. Make tiny improvements one at a time and slowly the vision will be perfectly completed.
    2 – Give yourself room to play. Good one Ryan! Enjoy the journey, take risks, and see what works and what doesn’t. The business/lifestyle will be better for it – and if not, at least you’ll have a cool story. 🙂

    Thanks Marie always for the insights every week. I enjoy your talks!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Thanks, Arnie, and these are excellent takeaways! 🙂

  58. Lilly

    Thanks Ryan and Marie.
    I loved the interview, it was refreshing and relatable. I especially liked it when Ryan talked about being grateful for crappy things.

  59. Ginger Curtis

    I totally resonate with this discussion because what’s really being said here is the stoic/zen practice of non-judgement. When something first appears as a “negative” experience, if you look around, dig a little deeper and have patience and faith, you’ll find the hidden treasure. That’s why I’ve learned to not judge something (or someone) as inherently good or bad, right or wrong. I’m going to take a look Ryan Holiday’s books now and see which one to start first 🙂 Thank you for another excellent MarieTV interview!

  60. Slow momentum, yes. That is the path I am on.
    I have been creating dolls for about a decade, and it has only been in the last 12 months that things have really started to happen in terms of professional opportunity. Initially I thought nothing would come of it, but I kept coming back to it, designing another doll, and then another.
    I am so glad that I kept going, because the dolls I make today are so amazing compared to where I began all those years ago. I truly had to learn a lot (and still do), I made mistakes, keep designing, and finally when opportunity came knocking, I said yes’.
    I also have a mentor – I do a bit of freelance for them, and I knew from the get-go that the rewards would be invaluable to me. She is a sounding board, advisor, and a presentation-marketing genius rolled into one.
    Yes, it has been a long slow hike, and I am no longer at the bottom of the mountain.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Congrats, Melissa! It’s so exciting that your dolls are taking off and that you have a great mentor to support you. We’re so happy for you! 🙂

  61. Lianne

    I really loved Ryan Holiday’s comment about being grateful for the challenges in life as I’ve always believed that life doesn’t always bring us what we want but it definately brings us what we need – and the trick is finding the blessings in our challenges and the purpose I. Our misfortunes. Thank you Marie for a wonderful conversation and enlightening with Ryan! :0)

  62. ALJ

    It can pay to be a geek. (Which I am 🙂 Be willing to create and or translate with patience and love, something of value that the larger world may have labeled incorrectly, as obscure or negative when really it has great value here and now!

    I know that my spark is worth igniting!

  63. This episode was what I needed right now.
    B-school is over but I’m only halfway through. My website is taking shape but I’ve still got a long way to go. It feels like the finish line is miles away and it’s only the first leg of the race!!! So, the whole turtle analogy is me to a tee. But I’m sailing a blue ocean and I’m building an island (my career) from the ocean floor up! This is such hard work but I know there is going to be great reward and even greater profit when I’m done.
    P.s. I am a massive fan of Stoic Philosophy and have been practicing stoicism for a few years now (without even knowing what it was!). Love Marcus Aurelius! Love Epictetus (I’ve just starting reading “The Art of Living: The Classical Manual on Virtue, Happiness, and Effectiveness – Epictetus” A New Interpretation by Sharon Lebell)! I have decided to incorporate the practice into my coaching work. 🙂

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      You’re doing great, Melita! Just the fact that you’re showing up and continuing to work through the program is fantastic. Baby steps really add up over time and we’re proud of you for the progress you’re making. Don’t forget to be kind to yourself and celebrate your wins. You deserve it! 🙂

  64. Thank you both so so much. Sometimes these episodes are like magic: they meet me exactly where I need to be met and pull me up by the bootstraps.

  65. Greg DeGuglielmo

    Outstanding Marie & Ryan! Refreshing to be reminded that it’s not the end result that drives us into the thankless forest but rather the journey with all its vicissitudes.

    Great work guys!

  66. Nicola Holmes

    I appreciated Ryan’s wish for himself at a younger stage and others at early stages of creative projects to not rush, and to value the time to do things well, right, and with a spirit of play. I will take this to heart at I work at putting BSchool 2018 learning into action over the next few months and years in evolving my business to a new level.

    Along those lines, I liked his encouragement to see one’s self invested for the long game, and to keep long term metrics!

    Thank you, Marie and Ryan!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Woohoo! You got this, Nicola!

  67. Loved what you guys said about the work being really hard. I’m working on something I’m so passionate about, I’ve tested the idea and it works, I can see where I want to end up, but gosh, it’s hard to do the work. I feel like I’ve been working on it for months, with hardly any progress. So thankful for your words about having to be ok in that space of discomfort. So thank you, every word in that bit of your conversation resonated deeply. This must be one of my favourite Marie TV episodes!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Yay, Siina! I’m so glad this episode encouraged you. The journey is long, but it can be so rewarding. Keep going. 🙂

  68. I really love the practice of seeking reasons to be grateful for events or people that I might initially simply wish had not crossed my path. Thank you.

  69. This episode found me at the most perfect time. I think what Ryan talked about when he mentioned “Why are you measuring success in the first week?” had the most impact on me because I just launched my new website TODAY. The day isn’t even over yet I feel this sense of dread when I go over to see the analytics of my website. I already know that I didn’t get the engagement that I was hoping for. But of course that is ridiculous. Of course these beginning number don’t really mean that much.
    I can’t believe how long you’ve been doing this Marie. 1999! I was only 8 years old!
    This day in age we want to see high numbers immediately. We all strive for viral success. But that really only happens to the 1%
    Creating good stuff takes time.
    A few things I can do for myself is “write the back cover for my book” only I’ll apply it to my blog. What is my end goal? What would I want Marie or Oprah to say about my work in the future. And then use that as my guideline. Not stray from that.
    Also I vow to take more time creating good, honest work that I can still be proud of 10 years down the line. I make the rules. I don’t need such strict deadlines. I make the deadlines. I can always give myself an extension to make something even better.
    I understand that I have to suck for a little while, but I won’t let that scare me away from continuing.

    Thank you for this episode Marie. So much goodness in it!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Congrats on your site launch, Shaka! That’s exciting and I know it’s the culmination of a lot of hard work. I totally get the impulse to check your analytics and as strong as that impulse might be, I imagine you’ll be happier if you ignore them for awhile. 🙂

  70. I live by the idea that everything you go through is a dress rehearsal for something bigger. In other words, while it’s frustrating something didn’t work out, what I learned from the experience will help prevent a bigger version of the same problem later on. This approach makes it easier for me to accept the mistake/heartache/etc. because it says: you’re going places and when you get there this situation will be small potatoes. So learn and move on! Love hearing Ryan reinforce this same method of feeling gratitude during difficult times. Great episode Marie & Team 🙂

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s so smart, Kelly! Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us. 🙂

    There are so many impactful, wise and delightful takeaways in Marie TV today.
    Thank you Ryan and Marie.
    “A week here or there is not really going to matter”
    “Can I see Oprah standing on her couch shouting about this?”
    “Can I see Marie loving what I’ve made and describing why she’s loving it?”
    Funnily enough, I mocked up a photo of Oprah going nuts over what I’ve made and stuck it on my fridge. Next to that I’m going to put a photo of Marie loving what I’ve made and describing it on MarieTV!!!

  72. This was one of the most valuable and inspiring content I’ve consumed lately! Thank you so much for all the beneficial advice.

    For me, completing the first draft of my first book was quite a ride, and having to be patient with the process is a new to me… therefore I’m grateful to learn from Ryan about how much patience and emotional investment the creative work really requires.

  73. For some reason the interviews always seem to come at a really important time for me. Ryans comment about Stoic philosophy and always trying to find the best in a situation, being grateful for what is not good
    ,really lands for me.
    When it comes to freeze, fight or flight my natural inclination is to freeze.
    I have spent some time recently trying to get my head around this weak point.
    The idea of considering it a good thing comes as a bit of a shock.
    Thank you Marie, and Ryan, for the impacts you make in my life.

  74. Betul Tekeli

    Dear Marie, I loved this interview very much. I find it very inspiring. Currently I try to make a mid career change but as you now it is very hard. On the other hand I am working on a new blog. I want to post my Linked-in articles there. I am writing mostly on books and also I am trying to write about the topics from the books I read. Ryan Holiday’s 4 books has been translated in Turkish. I will read the latest book from English. I think he could light my way. And I want to say that your Marie TV and blog also are lighting my way 🙂 Have a great day.

  75. I loved the conversation about allowing long periods of discomfort when making a piece of art that lasts a lifetime. One aspect I found uncomfortable is when you talked about knowing what you want beforehand and checking with the audience that it matches their needs. I don’t know how to apply that with painting (I’m an artist). The example of Adele’s album was a good one. But I feel if I wait to reach my highest vision for my paintings before I show them, my next exhibition may be in 20 years…. shall I not show and not sell until the level I want to reach is high to enough?

    • Heather- Team Forleo

      Great question, Juliette! You can most certainly always be creating, yet maybe you have a handful of pieces that you hold back as you develop them into that masterpiece. Maybe your inspiration comes in waves and over the years the small waves come together to create that large amazing wave.
      You know what’s best for you and your art. Trust that beautiful intuition that lives within you.

  76. Julia

    Wonderful! Very inspiring and encouraging interview! Thanks for sharing these precious nuggets. I am on my way to build a health and life coaching practice + writing a musical spectacle for children where I want to share in a poetic way what I share with adults through my health coaching. So good to hear that yes, it is hard to do… And that we really need to cultivate the ability to chug away and be okay, without the perception of progress. That good things need TIME 🙂 Patience and perseverance! I always feel inspired and supported by your shares! A big THANK YOU for the great work you do! Much Love, Julia

  77. Oof so many golden nuggets!

    I’m a long time Marie TV watcher but this is my first comment so heyyyy from Australia! ??‍♀️

    This is the golden nugget that I took away and scribbled in my journal…

    “Like a car on a dark road in the night travelling to its faraway destination… YOU have to develop the capacity to CHUG AWAY & BE OKAY without the *PERCEPTION* of progress. It may be bumpy or you might break down along the way but the worse thing you could do is give up before you get there.” (Paraphrased)

    This resonated with me because I’ve recently left my 10 year successful career as an early childhood educator to pursue my creative dream of being a YouTuber.

    So far I’ve set up my channel and thought LOTS but like Ryan said – it can look messier in the middle before it becomes polished – which is how I feel about the direction of my content.

    I have so many ideas and I’m such a multipassionate person like Marie says… but lately I’ve found myself stuck in rut after rut.

    Your videos inspire me to keep going and give me assurance that I am on the right path because I have unique gifts to share with the world!

    Thanks again to you, Ryan and your team for another brilliant episode.

    PS I’m also saving up to enrol in BSchool. I think it such a brilliant program and would love to know more about the scholarships.

    • Heather- Team Forleo

      HEY Marian! Welcome to the land of comments 🙂
      Congratulations on your leap to follow your heart and change careers. You’re in such an exciting, and sometimes scary, time of life. Those ruts can happen because you’re creating a brand new path so remember to keep talking action. Progress over perfection all day every day 🙂
      We’d love to have you in B-School next year. We open scholarships up during our launch time, which is usually in February each year. Since you’re on our email list, you’ll be the first to know when it’s that time of year.
      Sending you a BIG Team Forleo hug. xoxo

  78. Nina

    Soo nice with some depth, much needed these days (and you bring a lot of it Marie :)) A beautiful feeling of being nourished lingers, not nly because I just had lunch. Also I am a sucker for structure, I just love people that deliver! You sort of made my day! ??

  79. Hi Marie! Hi Ryan!
    I loved the whole interview and what really blew my mind was this :

    “The hard part is not the DREAM or the IDEA, it’s the DOING. It’s really HARD to do the work. That’s just what it takes.”

    I’m writing my first novel and sometimes I sit down to write and it’s easy, but other times it’s sooooo hard and I’d rather clean dirty toilets or get a tooth pulled (okay maybe not the last one). I’m a champion daydreamer. Things SEEM so great when I just think about them, when they only exist as ideas in my head. I have to keep reminding myself that I’m just creating an idealized version of reality in my mind. Where the rubber hits the road is when I actually sit down and DO the WORK, not just THINK about it.
    Knowing that the writing process is naturally hard removes some of my self-doubt and renders this question pointless : Perhaps writing isn’t for me since it’s SO hard?
    I’ll continue persevering.
    Thanks for putting forward that doing the work is actually HARD. 🙂

  80. Annika

    Your videos always give me energy and focus on my path. To know that there are people that are willing to put in hard work to achieve their goals. But at the same time not only looking at the material win but the personal development on the way.
    I am studying Yoga (for a total of 4,5 years until I will have my degree) and it makes it somewhat hard to have my goal visible.
    He ist giving this beautiful idea of writing about the audience that you are adressing to, but in Yoga at one hand I do not want to be part of the big movement that is mostly interested in making money from a thousand year old philosophy but I yes would love to be heard, love to give all that I have and I am learning on myself.
    I might just sit down now and write about who I want to work with, how the environment should look/feel like and what is it that I want to reach with it.
    And see what happens!
    Thank you for this big inspiration,

    • Heather- Team Forleo

      Annika, thanks for sharing your words and heart here. Your passion for yoga and the teachings that you’ve been a part of will be exactly what some people in the world are looking for and craving. Keep that vision and dream at the top of your mind, and you’ll be amazed how your actions draw you towards that.

      • Annika

        Thank you so much Heather, for your upflifting and encouraging words!

  81. Maytte Dusseau

    Love your show!! I think the best was the twist on gratitude because I totally agree that gratitude can be so easy if you focus but to be able to find the gratitude in people and situations that we don’t particularly care for is something that stretches our capabilities and uses a different part of us that normally does not get used. I had also not heard of Ryan but loved his ease with how he presents information and how mindful he is of his process and what he can learn from it. Such an amazing journey to be on!!
    Thank you to both Marie and Ryan for their contributions to making this world a better place!

  82. Thank you, Marie, for this episode. Even though I’ve never heard of Ryan and his work, I did get a nice message out of today’s episode. It’s the one about doing the work even though there’s no visible end in sight. This is really important in research as well, where every day seems like the rest, a venture into the unknown, but you just become a little bit better and a little bit smarter every day. And sometimes, three years later, you get an idea that explains most of the stuff you couldn’t wrap your head around in the beginning. Just keep swimming…

  83. Marijke de Bruin

    My whole being is vibrating with the resonance of this episode. I’ve been feeling like I am caught in a web of not knowing where to from here and feeling stuck in a mess of the culmination of all my ideas and passion which just doesn’t seem like they want to align…however listening to this session opened this landscape for me and has reveled to me, brutally, the truth in that there is more work to be done and that my pauses are purposeful and allows time for things to align without my physical input. However, I do acknowledge that part of this landscape of my ‘creation’ for my life’s purpose here has been unkept and needs more attention. It was a reminder to me to be accountable for my words and teachings, to live that which I encourage others to do, even when it makes others uncomfortable. I have become so uncomfortable continually adjusting to suit the needs and ideas of others that I feel deprived and stripped of myself, which in turn has taken me personally and professionally into an emptier field of existence. I do realise that the path back to wherever the hell my purpose may dwell will take time but one thing I know for sure is that my inner knowing, my truth and intuition has never let me down. Thank you for re-awakening my knowing and helping me remember that this discomfort is my greatest teacher and that although I may, I will, continue to falter on this journey…I know that it will be worth the effort and dedication. That incredible landscape is awaiting but right now, I am here and doing what I can and that is good enough because its not being complacent but being grateful for my discomfort and celebrating the liberation form a linear existence.

  84. Marie, You are not the slowest business learner out there…that might be me…I started my coaching and publishing business in 2000 and somehow survived, but still have not really made it profitable….(attending B-School right now to change this).
    So what I take from this lesson is learning “hardcore” thankfulness – I do have a thankfulness routine every morning and will change it to include thankfulness for the things I ´d rather whine and complain about!
    THANK YOU for that inspiration (that was an easy thank you, but I thought I would share it anyhow).

    • Heather- Team Forleo

      Slow and steady wins the race, Kerstin. We’re so honored to have you in the B-School family so we can cheer you on every step of the way. We’re grateful for you. xo

  85. Loved this interview. I just produced a podcast on morning routine and gratitude. Love the perfect timing here!! I love being grateful for things that we normally scorn!! this might be an uplevel that is needed for me.


  86. Johanne Pitre

    I really like the part about being grateful for something I’m upset about.. to really dig and find the great within the harsh… Thank you for this great interview. Loved it!

  87. This video was so encouraging to me! I loved everything discussed. My biggest takeaway was to continue working on your project even though you do not see immediate results. The examples given were fantastic, especially the fact regarding Star Wars not being at the top of the box office on opening weekend. Thank you, Marie and Ryan, for such an inspiring conversation.

  88. Mai

    I am a hopeless woman And I have no idea how to plan for anything, I had so many dreams but I never end what I start!
    I wished one day to be a role model to my children but I am just a failure!
    I spent the last 5 years like this only staying in bed till my kids come from school!
    I don‘t even exist!

    • Heather- Team Forleo

      Thank you for your honest words and presence here. We see you. You most certainly exist in this world for a reason and as Marie says in one of the episodes linked below, “God doesn’t make extra peeps.”
      Below are a few episodes of MarieTV that contain messages that we thought may resonate with your heart and this time in your life.

      As always, if you’d like to talk to someone about what you’re experiencing, we would always urge you to seek out a trusted friend or professional. Life can be tough, yet there’s caring people in the world that are willing to help shine a light and help you through.
      Sending you a hug.

      • Mai

        Dear Heather,
        I wrote my comment yesterday, and the first thing i did today after I woke up was checking if anyone replied to my comment, but nobody did, so I went through this wonderful website to find this post: how to get anything that you want.
        I listened to it but not only this! I wrote every single word while listening to it!
        I made every single exercise in the episode during the pause that Marie gave the listeners, and this is so strange for me! Cause I always procrastinate !
        Something unusual happened to me today!
        It was like magic! I swear !!!!
        And tonight I found your reply!
        Thank you soooooooooo much for your reply!
        I don‘t know what to tell you! I am really speechless!
        I dared to talk to Marie Forleo by writing my feelings and my circumstances that I never told anyone else, and I dared to dream big and write down what I want to be even if it seemed impossible!
        I am totally motivated and I can feel the magic !
        Pleaaaaaaaase thank Marie On my behalf!
        And I am sending you a hug back and to Marie and all the team.
        Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.

  89. Thank you Marie and Ryan for the candid and real conversation that dreams sometimes just do not happen overnight. This was a timely conversation especially on days it feels like .001% productivity, like my last few. I give the advice to be patient and kind with yourself yet taking my own advice can fall on my own deaf ears until today. I needed to hear it from somewhere else and that was from both of you.
    with love and gratitude,

  90. Thank you, I love that. I did B school last year, in doing it realized I hadn’t quite figured out the whole of what I wanted to create and signed up again this year. Could not take part as I had to get a job job while I was figuring out and creating because I was not ready to go out there and sell the thing that wasn’t quite right.
    Today was a tough day at work and then I came home to a tough phone call. Why Why Why? And I always ask God. So I know that sometimes to get to the place you have to be you have to go through some discomfort, the kaka’s got to get kicked up because it spurs me forward. Grateful for the KaKa Thank you Love and Light Christine and The Animals

    • Heather- Team Forleo

      You’re so right, Christine. Sometimes life does involve the kick in the KaKas. The key is always remembering to take a deep breath and keep going. Your B-School family is always here to support your journey- and you. xoxo

  91. Marie & Ryan, thank you SO, so much. I was feeling like an odd one out, pouring belief into my book for the last 3 years on a casual basis, then realising that was never gonna get it done so for the last 2 months its been everyday, butt on seat, doing the work. Allllllllll day. Dealing with thoughts like ‘Holy crap this is gonna take at least 3 more years’ but not being able to speed my voice up. Thanks to this episode, I realise how many others also do the hard work and I am so grateful for that knowledge that I’m not foolish in the pursuit of creating the best damn thing I could possibly create.
    What I will act on today is loosening the thumb-screws on my writing and knowing it will be ready when its ready. (They were getting in the way when I type anyway… 😉
    Much love and gratitude to you both,
    Rebecca xxx

  92. Julie Lalande

    So good … the take away … I am super grateful but to practice being grateful by using oxymorons is an amazing way to approach life and an widening approach. Also loved marketing or visualizing the end product … great concept (Amazon, has it going on!).. Finding a mentor … Maria, can you be my mentor ??

  93. This is such a great interview! What is so hard for me right now is that in my industry, the vendors and algorithms favor fast, fast, fast. At least in the short term, fast seems to trump quality. I would really like to believe quality will win out over the long term, but my fear is that I’ll never get the visibility I need to go big without going faster. I want to feel free to take my time, but the longer I take to create something I’m truly proud of, the more my income falls, because I’m not going fast enough for the market. It’s the biggest frustration for me right now.

  94. Dee

    So awesome and inspiring to hear and confirm the value of what it means to keep going and not allow myself to be rushed in creating the gift that I am preparing to give by creating my business. The idea that I totally embrace is the shift in the paradigm of the “gratitude list” – actually something that I started to experience years ago when circumstances and situations did not evolve as I had hoped. I started to accept that no matter what “things were working out for my good.” From the point I allowed myself to face my life and accept the cards that I had been dealt – I experienced spiritual expansion, achievement of a higher level of emotional health and developed a desire to give of myself in a way that I had never wanted and been able to before. I truly experience the desire to embrace the opportunity to give of myself at the deepest level possible during the illness of my father. By the time he took his last breath by showing up for the process, I had transformed – – learning about the capacity I had to give love . The more I exercise “the shift” the greater the manifestation of my living the life that I dream of having – continuous transformation for the better.

  95. Thank you for this topic. I started my book in 2009 and it’s been on Amazon since December 2017. Through many starts and stops, one step at a time, asking for help when I realized I didn’t know how, I made it to the finish line. I wrote about my writing process when I was going through a rough patch in the chapter called Alignment: “writing this book has been a dance between alignment and distraction, and I paid the price for that by having a cloud of disappointment and self-hatred with me on a daily basis. In this case, my intention (heart), commitment (spirit), and action (mind) needed to be in alignment. I had the intention, my commitment (due to fear, resistance, and self-doubt) was often missing, and my action came in spurts. This was not productive and was something I needed to work on. I have learned that being in alignment is crucial to my well-being and is completely my own responsibility.” For motivation, I made a Vision Board with representations of Heart, Mind and Spirit aligned to finish my book and having it read, and enjoyed by millions. I’ve got a way to go, but I have sales and great reviews.

  96. The timing of this episode is so perfect. I’ve been meaning to get into Ryan’s work for years now, but was yet to make time for it. A few weeks ago I had a huge intuitive hit to buy Perennial Seller. I devoured that one in a few days. Completely enamored with Ryan’s material and the importance of the longevity of creative work, I dove into Ego Is The Enemy immediately. Then The Obstacle is the Way. By the time I got through these three I felt like Neo in the Matrix when he woke up and said “I know Kung Fu.” This is great writing.

    Two things really stood out for me in this chat. Ryan talked about practicing being grateful for things he “shouldn’t” be grateful for and how can take that thing that was 100% bad and make it 99% and then be grateful for that 1%. I love the practicality of this and I can see how doing the work to find lesson in a proverbial [email protected] sandwich and then be grateful for what that taught me is a worth while practice.

    The second one was almost like a permission slip to be real and not feel like I have to be perfect in all areas. I know for me and a lot of creators and coaches I know have and continue to have the impression that we are supposed to be this perfect spitting image of what we teach. So much so that it leads to inadvertently (or blatantly) hiding those imperfections that actually make us more relatable, show our personality and character, and make us human.

    Ryan said it like this. “If I was really good at it, it wouldn’t be interesting to me and I wouldn’t be writing about it.” “I am as bad at it as anybody.” “That insight only comes because I found myself hurling a book at a wall over and over again… I wasn’t sitting there like the sage.”

    So much gold in this one Marie. And so perfect that you put this out right after I devoured his books.

  97. I’ve been working on a book for more than 10 years, just went through Bschool and also run a real estate business with my husband while raising 3 kids. This is very helpful. I could definitely use some more stoicism in my life! I like the practice of being grateful even for the hard things and will put that into practice right away?

    On another note, Marie, where are you? Different setting from the usual in this video! I like it.

    • Heather- Team Forleo

      Hi Danielle! We’re so glad that you joined us in B-School- especially with the busy life that you’re living. Marie filmed this episode on Ryan’s farm in Texas a few months ago.

      We usually have people in cow costumes during our usual shoots in our studio, not REAL cows. But, you never know. Filming days can go in many directions 😉

  98. Marie and Ryan – favorite portion – give yourself some runway. Damn…that hits me exactly where I am. I have a crappy first draft of a novel finished. Sometimes I think about chucking it because…who cares? But, nope. I’ve worked too hard on it to leave it sitting in my desk drawer forever. So, I will finish it, revise it, edit it, polish it and make it the best I can because I can see the finished copy in my hands and look forward to the day when it is complete. Your encouragement, from two people I consider mentors from afar, gives me fresh energy to stretch and keep going though I don’t know exactly what I’m doing. I’ve been given this story, and others, for a reason and the world needs my voice. As a first-time creator, thank you. I look forward to getting more into Ryan’s books and always love these episodes.

  99. Marina

    Loved this episode. Having gratitude for the bad things that have happened in your life. I will be putting that into practice today by writing a letter. It will encourage forgiveness and help me understand that it truly is the hard times in my life that have caused the most beautiful shifts in my thinking and actions. Great interview! Will be looking for the book on kindle <3

  100. Samuel

    This couch is too small for this kind of interview……

  101. Kammie Lisenby

    Oh my oh my… I needed to hear this tonight ?? Thank you!!!

  102. Júlio Barroco

    Loved the interview, Perennial Seller and the simple but deep wisdom on it all. Wondering why the unmentioned lattest Ryan’s book, Conspiracy, wasn’t mentioned: may the nature of that book explains it in some way :). Keep up the great works

  103. Steph

    I love the analogy that: The headlights of the car you’re driving only show you so much of the road you’re on, but you need an idea of your destination, even if you don’t see it. Beautiful! (I’ve been finding a lot of messages coming my way about Stoic philosophy/ wisdom, and it very much resonates with me.) Thank you, Marie, and your whole team for continuing to supply & share stellar insights!

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Steph, we’re so glad that that image resonated beautifully with you, and that you’re feeling connected to the Stoic philosophy. We’re wishing you all the best as you continue to explore it!

  104. KG

    Always good to hear the “truth” about what it takes to create long term success. Thanks Ryan and Marie!!

  105. I loved this video and i could relate to it on every level. I really needed to hear everything he had to say. It was perfect timing with the startup we are working on. Because that’s exactly how it feels. Mimoza

    • Jillian - Team Forleo


      We’re so glad that this interview came at the right time for you! We’re wishing you all the best as you continue to embark on the next steps with your startup.

  106. Doroteja

    This was a beautiful conversation! Thank youuuu both! I’m 28 and I just feel that I haven’t gotten anywhere in life so far, professionally, and I’ll be turning 30 soon and this adds to the frustration and disappointment. I feel like a snail at a marathon. This conversation created some ease and relief. ❤️

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Hi there Doroteja,

      We absolutely understand that pressure to reach a certain level of ‘success’ by a certain age (and for many of us, 30 is that pivotal point). Remember that there’s no real timeline for life, that so many people find success and advancement in their professional careers later on in life, and that there are so many definitions of ‘success’ to choose from. We’re so glad this conversation offered you some relief, and we’re sending you so much positive energy!

  107. Ann

    Dear MarieTV Team,
    this was a wonderful episode! As a lot of other commenters here it came just at the right time for me when I was feeling kind of down, with a lot a work behind me and a lot of work before me. So thank you very much and now I am going to make the things that frustrate a me ‘a little bit better’.


  108. Turtles – go slow but live long!
    “If you enjoy the journey – you are always where you want to be!” Ryan Holiday
    “Give yourself room and patience to play!” – Ryan Holiday
    “The hard par is not the dream – it’s the doing!” Ryan Holiday

  109. Thank you, for this great episode. I don’t need to feel so guilty that it is taking so long to move my business, forward, true confession I don’t even have a website yet, but in all this time I have been taking classes for the skills that I will need to move my business forward,. Most importantly I know my target market! The pieces are starting to fall into place. The Universe has definitely been talking to me.

  110. I love this conversation, too!
    As Ryan said, though any negative happened, you always can make it a little bit better. I always remind myself that though anything happen, I always can choose and make decision. It is important tip, when I remember that I will focus on present and choose the better way to solve problem instead of focus on negative side.
    Thank Ryan and Marie!

  111. Love this WHOLE interview, but think my favourite gem was about writing the pitch or media release at the beginning of your idea. I’ve always done the opposite when working on a creative project: ‘I’ll talk to you about it when it’s done because I don’t want to jinx myself…then I start meandering or lose steam or confidence. So, awesome thanks.

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      We’re so glad you found that tip helpful, Lyndal – it’s a great one! Thanks so much for tuning in & sharing with us 🙂

  112. A great reminder to rein it in and take it slowly and steady to be the best you can be. I must learn to stop worrying so much when I don’t hit a deadline that I’ve made for myself!

  113. BWJ

    Thank you so much for this video! You guys are fantastic, and grounded. I have a teeny suggestion. At the end of the video you say ‘Don’t forget to subscribe’. I’ve read that positive commands work better with the brain when you want it to do something. I just thought it might be better to say ‘Remember to subscribe’ instead. What do you think?

  114. What a great point to make about a gratitude practice for what tests our patience. In Buddhism, there’s a beautiful way to handle this. It’s a patient acceptance practice. When you practice patience, you offer the joy of doing that to the guru at your heart. So you can essentially offer joy all day long between what perceived good things happen and those that require your patience. Thanks for teasing this concept out.

  115. Brilliant. I’m writing a book and I’m discouraged when I think about how long it’s going to take. Then, I remind myself that I got it going in the first place by JUST DOING IT. No thinking. Just throwing myself into it. That’s how I’ll finish it, too. This attitude really helps when you worry about how good the writing is.

  116. When Ryan was talking about being grateful for the obstacles, it reminded me of my favorite story in Corrie Ten Boom’s book “The Hiding Place”. When she was a prisoner of war with her sister, her sister made he pray thanks for the fleas. Begrudgingly, she did so. Eventually, she discovered that it was the fleas that kept the guards out of the bunk area and they were able to read from the Bible they smuggled in with them. That Bible was a lifeline to all that was good and survive the horrible situation they were actually living in.

  117. Allison Fink

    Oh my gosh! I really enjoyed this conversation. I especially like the gratitude portion. “What is something I’m upset about and why am I grateful that it happened that way?” It is so simply, yet not easy to do! This resonated with me a lot. I do journal everyday and am going to put this into practice immediately. Thank you for a great MarieTV.

  118. Omgoodness Marie, this was perfect! Talk about receiving the message exactly when I needed it! I so appreciated when Ryan talked about the long game. I’ve had my business now for three and a half years and I just launched a new service offering two weeks ago, after months of research and creating – and I haven’t sold a single one yet! You two reminded me that it’s not about the short game, it’s about creating something that lasts. Thank you for bringing this to me today!

  119. Tanmaya

    Dear Marie
    Thanks for the lovely interview.
    A few things that was so valuable.
    The amazing Gratitude practice that Ryan spoke about, I think so I do this but I will make this a regular practice now.
    Realise that setting up something new will take time i need to give time to complete it and put it out before calling quits.
    Love Tanmaya

  120. So true,
    With limited time in my day I normally focus on the little things on my list, but that also means that the big tasks get avoided.
    This is a great reminder.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      We’re so glad this was such a helpful reminder for you!

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  122. lin

    I loved this episode – very timely for me. Everything said hit home and gave me more inspiration and patience for myself. I will definitely remember Ryan Holiday and his wonderful sense of being. And… I would have never ever ever guessed that Marie is slow like a turtle! I am too lol. More hope for me and my new adventures 🙂
    Thank you.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      Thanks so much for watching Lin! You truly don’t know how long it takes anyone to reach levels of success, and for most people, it takes quite a while. We’re wishing you all the best in your new adventures!

  123. I really appreciate this interview. I am also a slow worker and I’ve been working on my website for months. Every month I think I’ll be done by next month. I’ve set so many deadlines that I’ve missed. My only solace is that I value quality and excellence more than finishing by a certain time.

    Practicing gratitude for things that cause us pain or unhappiness really hit home for me. I feel like if we can be grateful for the thorns in our ass, then our tolerance and pain threshold for those thorns increase. Maybe we can eventually find the humor in those situations as well.

  124. Awesome Interview! The most impactful takeaway was the Gratitude practice – Looking for areas to be grateful in things that didn’t go the way we wanted them to.

  125. The idea that I loved most: even if something seems to be 99% bad, find that 1% left which is good and be grateful for that.

  126. I do this!!!! I have to have some music going or the TV on, and I try to work somewhere else at least once a week. Social Media is a life saver when it comes to loneliness but not so great when it comes to productivity lol! Great article. Thanks;)

  127. I loved this interview with Ryan, especially the part about finding a way to be grateful for your biggest challenges. So powerful.

    Also, I am one of those weird people who can relate to the story about the cows.

    • Hailey – Team Forleo

      We’re so glad to hear that, Alyssa! It sounds like you have some great takeaways and we hope Ryan’s message continues to inspire you along your own creative journey.

  128. I LOVE the helpful advice to create the sell before the product to reverse engineer what you are creating. I remember when I was in grad school would draft a proposal for a conference or a publication before finishing that work and it was a helpful rubric to know how what I was creating matched what I promised and my vision. I’m totally taking that idea to heart as I continue to create in my business now. Thank you!

  129. Thomas Capshew

    Thank you both for this interview. I am working on my second book and have been beating myself up for “not getting it out by now,” whatever that means! It is great to remember that kyros trumps chronos, that is, divine timing is better than my timing. One thing that I disagree with Ryan about is I happen to love the process of writing – I know my best product appears when I get out of the way and I become the vessel through which the inspiration flows. It is a rush!
    Thanks again to both of you! With divine love, Tom

    • I did not see the box for my website before hitting the post button! Here it is below. Thanks, Tom

  130. Love this so much. I can’t always watch all the episodes as they come out, but I keep them in my “inspiration” folder to get me motivated. Today as I’m sitting here painting cupboards and feeling a bit like my business is taking FOREVER to actually bring money in, this is exactly what I needed to hear.
    I have soooooooo much content that I want to put into a book – and one of my visions for the end goal is “would Marie have me on to talk about this” – every mentor author and visionary in my own life seems to be connected to Marie, and she’s been my own inspiration and motivation for so long. I love how this lays out how to really “begin with the end in mind” and look for those long-term goals and dreams for your product/service/etc vs. simply looking at what the “grand opening” sales are like. Thanks for the rock-solid motivation and inspiration, as always.

    • Jillian - Team Forleo

      We love that our emails end up in your inspiration folder! It sounds like you have an incredible amount of information and momentum to get you started, so take it one day at a time, and before you know it, you’ll have a book. Enjoy the process!

  131. This episode made me think that the way you see something is very important.

    • Hailey - Team Forleo

      That’s a great takeaway, Nicoleta! Thanks so much for sharing.

  132. Judith Sandala

    Really a way of life for me…gratitude for the not so great circumstances and irratating people whom I attract. Causes introspection and how can I get right with it.What in me needs to change? In me, not them. They’re doing the best they can with the knowlege they have at the moment. The need now is not to be right, but to find the peace the circumstance is showing me is there beneath the appearance.

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