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Bereavement. Depression. Sadness. Grief. These are not easy matters. Yet every one of us faces times in our lives when things are so intensely difficult, it can feel like almost too much to bear.

Whether it’s the loss of a job, a loved one or an unexpected devastation that shakes us to our core, the pain we feel is sharp, deep and very real. The problem is that most of us have little to no training in how to deal with this level of pain — emotionally, intellectually or spiritually.

That’s why I was thrilled to learn Marianne Williamson, my dear friend and acclaimed author, speaker and activist, wrote a book called Tears to Triumph addressing these very issues. Something the world needs now, almost more than ever.

Marianne argues that psychic pain, like physical pain, exists for a reason and must be listened to for the message it conveys. She also believes the epidemic of depression we’re seeing today should be seen for what it really is: a collective cry for the healing of our hearts.

Learning from sadness can bear great fruit, avoiding it can have hidden costs. @marwilliamson Click To Tweet

If you or someone you love is experiencing one of those deeply challenging times, this episode of MarieTV is a must watch. Even if you’re not — her perspective on sadness and depression is important to hear. Especially since our modern culture often urges us to numb our pain and deny our struggles to maintain a perfectly happy (and false) self-image.

Marianne is one of the most gifted writers, speakers and spiritual teachers of our generation. Personally, I learned a lot from this episode and I hope you will too. A few highlights include:

  • Why asking yourself “How can I end this grief immediately?” is the wrong question to ask, and what to ask instead
  • The spiritual principles that deliver us from our pain and how to apply them
  • How to reconcile feeling deeply sad, empty or depressed — especially when everything in your life is “technically” going fine
  • How to genuinely support someone who is grieving or depressed

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We end this episode with a beautiful prayer from Marianne’s new book, Tears to Triumph. I was so moved by it that we also made her prayer a downloadable audio so you can listen to it as often as needed, or share it with those you love.

As Marianne shares…

“In avoiding our sadness we avoid our lives. Learning from our sadness can bear great fruit, and avoiding it can have hidden costs. Our choice is between feeling the sharp pains of self-discovery or enduring the dull ache of unconsciousness that will last for the rest of our lives.”

Prayer from Marianne Williamson's Tears To Triumph*Right click (PC) or control click (Mac) to download*

Now, Marianne and I would love to hear from you.

What’s the single biggest insight you’re taking away from this discussion? Do you have a specific experience of growth, or a deepening of your humanity as a result of experiencing your own dark night of the soul?

Leave a comment below and let us know.

Remember, share as much detail as possible in your reply. Thousands of incredible souls come here each week for insight and inspiration and your story may help someone else spark a meaningful breakthrough.

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Enormous thanks for reading, watching and sharing your voice.  YOU make Tuesday one of the most beautiful days the week.

P.S. If you or someone you love is in the midst of a deeply challenging time, please share this post. It might be the exact shift in perspective they need most right now.

With all my love,

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  1. So needed! Thank you Marie

  2. How very timely is this interview! With the suffering of Orlando, I ‘ve been feeling very heavy sadness and anger. Feeling it fully and gaining a lot of insight because of it. I’m not ashamed to be sad.

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      I think this message is timely for all of us, given the recent events in Orlando and elsewhere. There’s certainly no shame in feeling the incredible weight of that sadness. xo

      • Right. WE can and we will live out our life in sacred honor and power for those that soulfully braved the moment. <3

    • Exactly, Bernard. Perfect timing. I think the sadness and anger so many of us feel will be and already is galvanizing. No shame in ultimately shaping a more loving world.

      • Nelson

        I agree with all of you on that.

      • “Difficulties are opportunities to better things; they are stepping stones to greater experience. Perhaps someday you will be thankful for some temporary failure in a particular direction. When one door closes, another always opens.” ~ Jacob Adams

  3. Guusje

    Thank you so much for your beautiful message. Love you Marianne, Love you Marie. Bless you for the endless inspiration, the beautiful books, the miracles, the tips & trics, the light, the shadows……. As a life Coach & Therapist, I use your wisdom every single day….. I embrace, embrace & embrace ánd embrace some more. My quality of coaching transformed drastic when I stopped giving the standard half an hour session in Psychiatric Hospitals. I got so depressed myself. Absolutely only love for hospitals, therapists & patient, but for me, as a spiritual therapist, I needed more time, more connection, more soul. So my coaching in my business is 2 hours per session. The first half hour, I talk to the Problem, literately, the second half hour I talk to the mind, The thirth, I talk to the heart & in the last half hour, I talk to Soul & Spirit. And by the time we are finished…… We have seen eachother. We have trúly seen each other. And mostly that gives so much comfort, so much permission, to grieve, to cry, te feel, to heal, to rest, to pray, to love, to trust, to surrender. My mission is to bring therapeutic quality in this world. And I am so grateful to have people like you in my life. I feel enlighted in my mission by your spirits. Thank you, Marie & Marianne <3 Love & Light <3 Guusje Wannet, The Netherlands.

    • Thank you, Guusje, for giving your people so much of your time and attention, in spite of “standards”.
      Blessings ~

  4. Dulce

    Thank you for this Marie! It really validated that my decision was right in recognizing that I was hurt and I made a huge mistake recently.

    I am referring to a recent initiative I made. I did a donation project and asked former classmates to donate. I had a group of 20+ people who willingly agreed and committed. Trusting their words, I made various commitments and arrangements immediately. And then just the day before the agreed time to send in their donations, they were nowhere to be found, even a single fund was not in, and worst they have just “seen” my Facebook messages and I didn’t get any communication from them. I felt like I was left hanging by the people I trusted so much and felt that they just dropped me like a bomb. I know urgent matters come up every now and then, I understand that. I just wished they have communicated to me properly. I felt like I was a failure again – failing to have this people stick to their commitments. But later on I realized that this happened because I needed to grow. And even if this brought me unbelievable pain, this has also given me tremendous opportunities and made me realized that I am capable in handling such huge dissapointment and setback.

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      I’m so sorry you went through that, Dulce. It sounds painful!

    • PLAN small, easily managed steps leading to your final or interim goal.

      Include in your plan a personal reward for yourself after reaching EACH step.

      Be sure to access your intellectual, emotional and spiritual benefits by writing down and reviewing your accomplishments at each step. This is your secret diary.

      Review your diary regularly in the future. This will refresh and strengthen you.

      Then, you will accomplish much.

      Best wishes, Peace Prophet 1

    • Victoria

      Commitments associated to ‘Money’ rarely bring out the best in us, sadly. Our broad scope of complex personal relationships ( some of which we can be conscious or unconscious of) to money seem to be universally distorted disturbed ones, to varying degrees, and they tend to manifest in their own mean can of worms. The monetary control system and all its numerous byproducts: overconsumption & the scarcity mindset, greed & poverty, false ego, fear, disempowerment and debt etc etc impacts us collectively and is a huge source of inflicted suffering on the world, directly and indirectly impacting us. We know deep down that it is in full direct conflict with our spiritual selves because it distorts the truer reality of the natural cycles of abundance and renewal of the earth, presented in the concepts of a resource based economy, energy exchanges of services, sharing communities… Our true potential in sharing, giving and healing lie within these concepts.

      I believe innately people do not want to give money. When we do it is often soulless when we can afford it, with twisted underlying motives (attention seeking, pressure, competitiveness…) Or the act is uncomfortable when we can’t afford it but feel pressured. But on the other hand, I strongly think it is innately human to want to discover, cultivate and share our passions, gifts, creations and knowledge instead. This kind of archaic revival is needed in our educational systems.

      Its no question a dominant tool still and I think when requesting donations and/or an invested interest from others regardless of importance and meaning (believe it or not) people need to be as emotionally enticed as you, which is alot of work because people are loaded with baggage and are emotionally shielded, People require a direct emotional experience to the matter at hand. For at least some of your classmates, it surely evoked feelings of shame and failure ( likely reason for failing to communicate to you) when they found they couldn’t emotionally invest themselves in your project after-all on top of already existing and potentially stress-generating commitments.

      I hope you managed to understand and forgive your classmates and understand that it wasn’t a failure at all. Just a different approach is needed if you choose to try again for the purpose of giving to a good cause.

  5. Hi, I’m very interested but I have hearing loss. How about making your content accessible to millions of americans and UK people who are deaf or partially deaf? All you need is subtitles or a transcript. We’d like to be included too. Thanks.

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      Maria, thank you so much for your comment. I’m happy to report that we do have transcripts on all our MarieTV episodes which generate closed captioning. To turn that on, click the CC button in the video player above. You’ll see that CC icon on the lower righthand side once the video starts to play. You can also read the full transcript as the video plays by viewing the video in YouTube, clicking the “More” button and then clicking “Transcript.” I hope this helps, but I’ll also shoot you and email to make sure you’re all set!

      • Maria G Zedda

        Thank you so much. For some reason I could not see that button before. I can see it now and I’m very pleased I can finally access the video. Thank you!

        • Kristin - Team Forleo

          Hooray! My pleasure, Maria 🙂

    • I’m partially deaf and there are subtitles. If you look at the bottom right of the screen, hit the “cc” and choose your subtitles. 🙂
      Thank you, Marie, for having subtitles…and I LOVED this episode.

      • Chelsea - Team Forleo

        So thrilled to hear it, April 🙂

  6. Ashley

    This woman is a quack and the sudo science that she is preaching is so dangerous. She is furthering the stigmatization of mental illness, has no understanding of neuroscience or clinical psychology. I’m very disappointed that Marie did not challenge her more on her theories.

    • Respectfully, I disagree Ashley. Marianne is not advocating the denial of clinical depression, nor suggesting we not make use of therapies and medication, when appropriate and needed. She’s presenting an alternate lens through which to consider the value of sadness and grief to the human experience.

      • Sarah

        I agree with you Ashley. With all due respect, sorry Marie. Marianne clearly is a political woman who monetizes on people’s ignorance and suffering. Just like pharma, so to me it comes across as hypocritical. The problem from her words is the risk of wrong health advice, the average person doesn’t understand the difference between her ideas vs what is truly a clinical condition. She is poking on the expertise of those who know better. Go get a PhD on positive psychology and neuroscience and then we will talk. But for now it is just spiritual monetization. If she is allowed her opinions, so do we. And she is quite blunt with her words too, so am I in this comment. If she takes an agressive stand, don’t expect people throwing flowers at you. Thanks for allowing freedom of expression in this forum.

        • As someone who has taken anti-depressants in the past and actually knows what it feels like I cannot help but wonder if we just watched the same thing, Sarah?

          Marianne did not negate the importance of getting treatment. But the treatment could mean a lot of things and it is up to us to find the one that suits us.

          Just like when you’re trying to live a healthy lifestyle you do a variety of things (diet, exercise, maybe some vitamins, less stress etc.), same if you are feeling sad, there is a variety of things you can try to boost your situation.

          I WISH that back in the day the doctor who prescribed the medication that messed with my entire life (sleep, focus, energy levels) would have given me supportive ideas for what to process internally while going through depression. So this is clearly something that needs to be talked about.

          Thank you, Marie and team, for picking up this important subject and starting the discussion.

          • Jen

            Alot of depression today is commonly caused by hormonal deficiencies and imbalances. This should not be ruled out. If everything is going relatively fine in your life, but you feel sad for no reason, please get your hormones checked out first. Low thyroid and low progesterone cause this in women. It happens to men, too. Don’t resort to antidepressants – they don’t solve the underlying problem of depression, plus they have dangerous side effects such as more depression, and homicidal and suicidal tendencies. Take good care of yourself. Don’t resort to drugs, please.

        • Lauren Sassadeck

          I disagree with Ashley and Sarah. What Marianne is ‘monetizing’ on is teaching the love of self, and acceptance of self and our natural human emotions – which does absolutely no harm. Being self aware and knowing that suffering is a normal human emotion; she is helping us to be able to see it coming and be able to arm ourselves properly so we can face it head on. Learning how to heal by working through and feeling each emotion for what it is, is healthier than than numbing yourself with drugs. Big pharma does do some good for people, but overall they sell drugs with the intention to keep people sick with side effects – a sick patient is a forever patient, with the side effects that come along with taking Rx Drugs. Its a vicious cycle. There are no side-effects to loving the self and being self aware. She says multiple times during her talk that she is not a medical doctor, and does not suggest doing anything without the approval on your doctor if you are currently on Rx drugs – BUT she is a spiritual “doctor”, and in my personal opinion, there is a time and a place for both. I only speak from personal experience having clinical depression, and choosing NOT to go on Rx drugs – rather, I choose to feel the way that I do and work through the feelings in my own way. I would rather feel depression with every inch of my being, than numb myself to the world.

        • May I suggest an author that may satisfy your need to hear from someone with qualifications in the medical/scientific field? Kelly Brogan just this year published a book full of provocative insight that’s well worth considering. Her book is: A Mind of Your Own and I think you will find the contents both informative and empowering. She sites studies that actually support much of what we heard in the interview.

        • marilyn haverly

          My reply to you was somehow moved (probably by my very own hand:-) but I’m hoping you’ll scroll down to see the author’s name I suggested you may be interested in.

        • Janice'

          Sarah, I do not agree with your statement that says she is poking on the expertise of those who know better. There are no experts. As one who worked in a psych unit from the 80’s until 2005 I have to disagree with you. I would have patients come in the unit in deep depressions or sadness because of things that they did or things that happened to them- things they should have been sad about or depressed about. They needed to have people come along side of them and make them feel ok to be sad and grieve. It is normal. It brings growth and strength. It is hard work and painful. My concern is for those who don’t grieve for the mistakes they have committed or had committed against them. All the Drs wanted to do was throw drugs at them and suppress what they needed to go through. I could say a lot more but I think it would help if you listened to this video again.

        • GG

          Sarah and Ashley. Marie F. could not have replied any better or more graciously to your remarks and comments about her guest Marianne. It’s hard for me to disagree respectfully. Ashley, it seems your comments reveal more personal insecurities and lack of judgment. I don’t see credibility in your argument when you attack Marie and her guest with verbal insults. It’s just disrespectful. In my opinion, the lens in which you perceived the discussion and interpreted her message is extremely distorted. I believe you missed the meaning of her message. My advice is to take a breath and expand your view, as it appears to be very short-sighted.

        • Kirstin

          I agree with some of these critiques. What is deeply problematic is the way Marianne equates depression with grief, sadness and heartbreak. They are NOT the same thing. She did it repeatedly here and I’ve heard her do it in other recent forums (e.g., podcasts). I agree that this is misinformed and dangerous in multiple ways. It needs to stop.

      • Safena

        Well said Marie.

      • I admire both Marie and Marianne for their amazing work to better this world. However, I did feel uneasy with regards to the part about mental health. I’ve never taken antidepressants although they were prescribed to me in my 20s (my mom suddenly died when I was 21 and I developed anorexia). The pain that comes from the premature loss of a parent is something I’ve learned to live with.
        I’m grateful to both my parents for teaching my strength and and self-respect.
        However at the same time there was another issue I had been affected by all my life that I wasn’t aware of until recently, the physical pain caused by an autoimmune disease, celiac disease, (thank you gluten) which has destroyed my gut, made me emotionally unstable and depressed. I also learned to live with that, thinking I was just canary….
        There is no drug that can cure this disease, no walking through the storm, and no positive talk that will make you smile again.
        It takes lots of knowledge and patience to properly restore your flora which can take many years of eating only squash and bananas and green juices…
        100% of our serotonin is produced in our gut and if it’s not working, our brains will be constantly deprived of the feel good vibes.
        We have to be very careful when dealing with such delicate topics and not deliver misinformation especially when it comes from someone you admire and trust.
        Lots of love xxx

      • Johanna Druen

        But she’s really not suggesting alternative medicines. She is saying that those who have been given medication should find ways to wean themselves off and accept their pain as natural. As someone who has experienced overwhelming clinical depression since high school, I truly do not believe that Marianne has ever experienced this type of darkness. As a life coach and licensed counselor, I respect that there are dark times that are normal and we should learn to feel those feelings without panic. However, as one who has suffered beyond that which is typical, I can say that depression is more than sadness. I am also a lifelong practicing Christian, and I respect Marianne’s work. With this topic, however, I believe she is callously disregarding an actual physical and emotional illness that she has clearly never felt, and her attitude further shames and stigmatizes those who have.

        • Jess

          Thats not what I got from her message at all. Like you I’ve gone through clinical depression aswell and had no idea where to turn. However, like Marie said she didn’t interfere with medicine for serious matters but she’s bringing awareness to anxiety and feeling sad is part of life and every time we have a rough patch doesn’t necessarily need medication. Alot of feelings were just supposed to deal with and I’ve personally gotten so much better with that since my depression and it’s not like it’s solely because I haven’t had a rough patch since then.

  7. Marie + team,
    This episode was amazing. I really needed to hear this. I recently learned that two of my friends’ toddlers died, 3 of my friends’ parents died, and reading the news (orlando, Christina Grimmie) does not help. I try to avoid the news but going online to even Yahoo for a simple browser will flood my feed with sad news. I recently went to my primary care doctor and was stating that I was stressed out and he kept trying to offer me “anti-depressants” after talking with me for 3 minutes. Seriously, I ran out of there. I was lucky that I know these feelings come in waves so I waited it out. Thank you Marianne for saying that these feelings are normal. Thank you for tips and sharing your wisdom and I won’t waste time even if I’m sad. I will recognize these feelings, acknowledge them and keep going. Such an empowering, important message!!

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      Yvonne, I am so deeply sorry to hear about all the losses happening to those close to you. Sending you all our love xo

  8. Rolene

    Thanks to Marianne – I put on the alter (after a break up that blindsided me) all the blame etc and took responsibility for my part and had those days where I lay on teh floor sobbing and feeling all that needed to be felt. I learnt to forgive – both him, myself and the third party. Because of this and because relationships don’t die, today we have become great friends and have built a new level of intimacy that comes with trust and vulnerability and really appreciate and love each other. As painful as it was and sometimes still is, it is worth it to grieve and feel. I now tell myself when I feel sad through other situations – take time, feel it, have an epic tantrum if you must, you WILL get through it. Thanks to both of you for a phenomenal interview.

  9. Thank you, wonderful episode. I think pain and sadness are often our biggest teachers. I welcome Marianne’s message to sit with it and listen to it’s gift. So often, my clients who are recently bereaved come to me confused by their feelings because they think and believe that they should be happier. They feel the huge weight of expectation from their friends and family to be well and whole again. To ‘get over it’ quicker and move on. My own early pain was numbed and denied and only listened to through my own journey of self discovery. And only then, did I recognise the power to be with it totally and travel through it. It was the only way x

  10. Thank you for broadcasting the spiritual tool of “putting things that aren’t in alignment with you higher self on the alter”. It’s very powerful and has help me to become the person, I’m today.

    Also not turning grief, pain, anger, resentment into a psychic illness per se but seeing it as part of the soul’s journey through Earth School. We need to empower people not to disempower them because it generates money for certain industries and professions.

  11. Wow, you spoke to my soul.

    I have been having a season of a dark-night and that is OK. Leaning into it brings healing and completeness. Being mindfulness. Taking each day as it come and celebrating each day that has come to us.

  12. Tal

    Wow, I needed this so much today. I’ve been feeling an overwhelming sadness since Sunday. Between the Orlando shootings, political news updates, and environmental news about what we’ve done to our planet, I was so sad yesterday I didn’t have the energy to do anything. It’s easy to feel hopeless about the future with everything going on, but I am glad there are so many people like you and Marianne that continue to shine the light of goodness. Today I will turn off the TV and avoid social media. I’ve seen and heard enough about the fear and hate. I want to focus on the good and the love. We will all get through this together with love, by taking care of each other and ourselves. Much love to you, Marie!

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      Yes, Tal! Beautifully stated!

  13. Thank you so much for this. It was just what I needed with the Orlando shootings. As I was reading the paper today I started crying. Then I turned on the news and was wondering how the news crew could get through this and moves on to something else. It is a sad day and it is alright to be sad. My prayers are with the families and friends who have lost someone dear to them in the Orlando shooting.

  14. Megan Baker

    Thanks for this today. I really needed it. It’s release is timely, given the events in Orlando. I feel like I’ve been given such authentic and evolutionary permission to be sad, to own my whole range of emotions, to know myself well and understand that I come from my heart. My sadness is a piece of the human condition, and marks me as an empathetic and empathic person.

  15. Brittany

    Thank you Marie & Marianne for this hear filled episode. My husband just recently told me that he does not believe in God… we grew up in the Christian church and our faith was a major corner stone to our relationship. I feel saddened by this, like my heart is broken in some way. I just want to thank you for giving me a little more hope to help me get through the day.

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      Brittany, it’s an honor to hear that this episode has given you some hope. Sending positive vibes to you and your husband!

  16. This is so needed for so many reasons. How relevant given what happened this week. I recently dove into hoe ALL negative emotions are an opportunity to dive deeper into our healing, just messages waiting to be listened to if we are brave enough. It’s all in the book : “I Can’t Believe I Dated Him”

  17. Kay

    Thanks for such an amazing interview.

    Live in the Present and Life is too/so short to be wasting time on things that are insignificant oh my those are two big takeaways for me. I also love how if we are on top we should be doing something to make someone else feel just as good; especially if they are down.


  18. Thank you deeply for this episode! It came just at the right time. I lost a loved one some days ago, so I really could use Marianne’s wisdom. Thank you both so much! It’s all about love, isn’t it?

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      So very sorry for your loss, Christine. xoxo

  19. I needed this today. Compassion for myself and compassion for others is a tricky one for me. As a new student of ACIM, I am confused. It seems to validate that I should be happy, joyous and free, not suffering (that is the world of “illusion”). The way Marianne speaks here seems different from what I am gathering from the course. Has she become Buddhist, or are they the same, but I am not yet getting it?

    • Hi Karen,
      Both can be true. On the mortal plane, there is indeed suffering and pain. This is what much of our discussion is about on today’s show. And, from a spiritual perspective, there is also a part of us (our souls) that exist beyond the mortal plane — beyond the world of ‘illusion’ that you refer to. Marianne is one of the best teachers of ACIM I’ve ever known. She has an enormous wealth of resources on her site, and she lectures and livestreams near weekly. Get in on that learning!

  20. This is so on point! In finding EFT and getting even deeper into energy work, this is coming up as true. It’s important to allow and give ourselves permission to feel and grief. It is ultimately how we heal and come alive after a dark time.

    Based on what I have learned with myself and others, I’ve been guided to create a retreat to help women heal from sexual trauma and move into becoming more sensual and expressive beings. I will absolutely get this book for Marianne Williamson is a wealth of healing wisdom that can should be shared to help many. Thank you Marie and Marianne for this interview!

  21. Rhonda Weeks

    Absolutely beautiful! So timely and so inspiring. Thank you, Marie and Marianne.

  22. Mariannes’ words deeply resonate and will never age.
    Thank you for the reminder Marianne…this world is so blessed to have you both.

    With love, Sian xx

  23. Bridgette

    I just don’t agree with the discussion – I don’t believe that Marianne is qualified to speak about the prescribing of medicine (from what I hear in this interview). I don’t feel that this added to the discussion at all. I have had depressive years and if I didn’t have the antidepressants I may not be here today. It is my opinion that the spiritual community needs to work together with the medical community, as they do in the east, to treat the whole person. We simply can’t keep pointing the finger at each other (medical vs spiritual) and continue to say you don’t need that – because the Divine gave us both and we should use both to have the fullest experience in this lifetime.

    • Hi Bridgette. I agree with your point about ‘we can’t keep pointing the finger at each other.’ 100% right on.

      Not sure if you listened to the full interview, but Marianne clearly states that she’s not against drugs, when appropriate. She’s against the OVER prescribing of drugs that’s quite rampant these days. If you scroll up and read Yvonne’s comment, she shares that she walked into her PCP and talked about feeling stressed. Within 3 minutes he was offering her antidepressants, without really listening to her. I’ve heard similar stories many, many times before.

      Like you, Marianne is an advocate for a more holistic approach — one that includes looking at these issues from multiple perspectives, including a spiritual perspective — which happens to be her area of expertise.

      And, like you, I believe a holistic approach to these very important issues, offers the best path ahead.

  24. Hi, Marie and Marianne

    Here’s what I took away, and I’m posting right now on my fb page, so that others become more aware of:

    “not everything is a disorder – our suffering became a profit center of drug manufacturers: sadness ≠ mental imbalance”

    Europe has it so much better – the ‘happy’ American demeanor is hiding the demons instead of making them friendly lil’ helpers – for example, melancholy is a sweet sadness that is sexy, attractive and a frequent visitor of the heart there, yet on this continent it’s labeled as ‘disorder’. Think about that for a moment…

    Thank you so much,

  25. Amanda Frost

    Brilliant in all senses of the world – such richness and grace in this interview and offering – I am reviewing creating new prayers for this time in my life -thank you Marie and thank you Marianne, with love and gratitude x

  26. Susan Obaza

    Thanks for this. I shared it with the women in my Bible study and 12 step group. It rang so true to me when so much lately has not. I can’t take prescription anti-depressants and really feel for me that is self-defeating because the problem would still be there. I loved the prayer-it spoke my heart at a time when I feel I’ve fallen too far to rise, but I know it is truth. The concept that depression at large in society is an indication of something greater is entirely new to me, but it makes sense. I call myself spiritual, but I wonder how much I actually think that way in all honesty. No, things do not bring happiness. But I struggle with thinking “just be” is not productive time spent, when in fact I realize the times I have had need and others have simply been there, are the most significant times I can remember. Thanks so much for this wisdom.

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      Susan, thank you so much for sharing this episode with your bible study and 12-step groups. I hope it resonates deeply with them, too!

  27. Sabrina

    Thank you, Marie & Marianne! Thank you.

  28. Here in Brazil, a remedy called Rivotril, I think in USA it’s name is Clonazepam sells more than aspirin. And it’s a prescription only medicine for those suffering from seizures. You can only buy with a prescription from a doctor. People are using it to control their bad moods. It’s crazy how many people are going so deep inside depression. I like Marie’s video because she always talk from a positive perspective and people needs more of it. 🙂

    Let’s be the light in these people lives…

    • Thank you for this concept, Wellington: “Let’s be the light in … people’s lives…”
      So much Yes!
      Bright Blessings ~

  29. Holy shit — this was an amazing interview. I think of my own experience with eating disorders and depression, and now really seeing that the only way to healing was through. I couldn’t go around (though I tried and tried for a long time!).

    Many thanks, Marie and Marianne.

  30. This right here is so incredibly confirming. I believe that sometimes, Marie Forleo is in my head, listening to my thoughts. I’m in a mourning period right now and this is incredibly confirming. The things shared here have been the mediation of my heart and confirm so much of the work that’s going on in my life. A lot of the work that I’m doing is affirmed in this and this motivates me to continue on. Thank you for sharing this and please keep up the great work.

  31. The right to be sad
    And that just making echo on my day mood
    And instead of running for my sad about what’s going on in world, be in present
    Be there for other when they are struggling instead of deny the lost

    Thank for every minute of this episode, a beautiful reminder and gift for everyday

  32. lina

    I have to allow myself to be there for others more, even though their pain may allow me to feel mine.

    To remember that it is not always about me 🙂

  33. Tripp

    “If I’m not acting with love, mercy and compassion…I. Can’t. Be. Happy.”
    Holy cow.
    That rocked my insides and really rattles my cage. There are so many opportunities to be more merciful, more compassionate, to offer more love than I do and am. I need to let this idea work on me for a bit…water wearing away stone. Thank you Marie, thank you Marianne. Beautiful work.

  34. Kate Solisti

    In working with people and their beloved animal companions for almost 25 years, I have learned how the death of an animal can be deeply transformative. Losing a beloved animal is often more difficult than losing a human family member because animals are unconditionally loving, and most of our human relationships are full of complexities. So when a bereft human allows themselves to fully grieve their unconditionally loving animal companion, I have seen them transform themselves over many other losses. Our animals are usually conscious of this gift and remind their beloved humans that death is not the opposite of life, just the opposite of birth. They always reassure their people that the love they share is forever and that the separation is only an illusion. Grief becomes a portal to loving more deeply.

  35. Lauren

    The prayer made me cry, for sure. My father died three weeks ago after a terrible battle with Alzheimer’s. He was only 68. This past year has been the worst of my life and I have been floundering with my business because of the worry and sadness. My husband has had to pick up the slack and it has been so difficult. I’m ready to begin again, but I’m not even sure what life/work will look like now. I’m a therapist and coach, moved more toward coaching lately because of the heaviness of my heart, but now I’m not sure if I want to go back to counseling in my own business or to try something completely different.

    Much of this resonated with me because, like Marianne, I believe that most people do not need a mental health diagnosis. The medicalization of mental health is dangerous. This is why I don’t work with insurance as a therapist – because insurance makes us give people diagnoses in order to get paid. It’s ridiculous. The pendulum needs to swing back toward the middle – where people talk with someone because they are going through something, not because they are sick.

    Thank you for sharing this. I am in pain – from my own loss and the loss of Orlando and so many others. I needed these warm words of solidarity.

    • Judy

      Lauren, I’m so sorry to hear of the loss of your father at his age. My heart goes out to you.

      • Lauren

        Thank you so much, Judy.

  36. Ada

    Thank you for this heart-centered discussion. I particularly loved the story about the depressed chimpanzees as the early warning system for the troupe. This was a very helpful re-framing of the gift of being seemingly “overly” sensitive.

    I also really appreciated the mentioning of self-hatred in the prayer at the conclusion of the interview. I am in the process of significantly shifting my work and listening to this interview I realized that I need to forgive myself for my failures to be better not bitter. I am amazed how long it takes to heal and be renewed.

    Thank you for bringing this topic forward.

  37. Joe Velie

    thank you both sooooo much … huge fan of all your work(s) … thank you, i love you both …. joe

  38. Lucy Anne Chard

    Dear Marie,

    Thank you for this.
    I experienced waves of tingling goose flesh numerous times watching this episode and I am grateful to you and Marianne for sharing your wisdom and compassion. I felt like I was in the room, part of the conversation.

    For me, the single biggest insight I’m taking away is this:

    To give myself permission to feel the whole spectrum of emotions, without additional commentary or judgement. To not be afraid of my own sadness. To allow my grief, regardless of how and when it surfaces. To feel fully and wholly, without trying to ‘fix’ myself.

    My mom passed away very suddenly last year and the experience of loss and introduction to Grief has been a gateway into what you refer to as my own ‘dark knight of the soul.’ I have encountered a myriad of conflicting emotions to navigate and the process of being with my grief, looking straight at my fear and sadness has been humbling. Never before have I been challenged so deeply to be truthful and honest in my expression and allowance of pure feeling.
    And that is love, as Marianne says.
    That is love.

    My favorite quote from today is this: “that which is placed on the altar is altered.” This is something I am going to meditate on and practice in my Reiki and energy healing.

    Thank you, with all my heart. I love the work you do and the community you have created.
    With love,

  39. Wow. Blown away by this interview and its timeliness with everything happening in Orlando. This really touched me personally – one of the best episodes of MarieTV I’ve ever watched. Thanks for making unfiltered, no fluff, and so truthful. xx

  40. Susan

    A while ago, I heard the husband of a woman who was shot during the Bataclan attack in Paris say he does not hate the terrorists. The interviewer was very surprised. But the man replied, he does not want the terrorist to take away from him this precious feeling of grief. They took his wife, the mother of their little baby, but they are not going to destroy his grief also. He has no capacity for hating him. He is not going to waste energy on hating him. All he has left at the moment is the grief for his dear wife and hope for his baby to still find a way into a life filled with love. Ahhhh, that was so incredible and moving. This episode reminds of that idea. Thank you Marie. Always good to learn more about love. xxx

  41. Marie — thank you both for sharing. Marianne said pain is an awaking that helps reset our thinking. What’s going on in the world pains many of us and we all struggle with what we can do to help. My take-away is that life was never meant to be easy and how we respond to our pain is what really matters. It’s my belief that helping others can cure many of our personal, professional and societal struggles. So when painful things happen it’s important that we grieve and put our learnings into action by injecting a mega dose of love, compassion and kindness back into our lives and our world. Outstanding episode!!


  42. Maureen Murphy

    More blessed proof there is divinity in timing and everything happens exactly when it is needed. A very close and dear friend passed away on Saturday and I am just so sad to lose her and heartbroken being with her husband, children and parents. I very much needed to hear this talk this morning and am so grateful to be able to share this book with my dear friend’s children and husband as they begin down this difficult path of mourning. I’m grateful I can buy some copies of this book, write my memories of their mother in it and hand them something that will be able to help in healing. Thank you so much and thank you Universe and my dear friend Deb for the divine timing.

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      Maureen, I am so deeply sorry to hear that you’ve lost your friend. What a gift you’re giving her family (and yourself) by remembering her with your memories and sharing this book to help them on this painful journey. Sending you – and her family – so much love. xo

  43. I have a family member who has been grieving the end of their marriage and a few people have been telling her to “get over it. It’s not like someone died.” It has made her feel like she’s weak for being sad. I believe she should allow herself to go through grieving the end of her marriage. But this episode came at perfect timing. I forwarded it to her. Thank you so much!

  44. Truly inspiring. I need to re-frame or better yet, perceive from a very different place all the darkness and suffering I have been going through for the past months.
    Thanks from the heart

  45. Marianne Williamson & ACIM are amazing!

    I love how the Universe knows exactly what I need.

    The timing of this episode was spot on. I am a survivor of multiple instances of post traumatic experiences and diagnosed with severe PTSD. I’ve been on anti-depressants for years. Just yesterday I had some more pain reveal itself. The amazing thing was that as I broke down – I laughed and smiled to God grateful to feel the pain because I knew once the band-aid was ripped off a bit, I would begin to heal a new area. I did not feel gratitude for my pain just a year ago.

    My healing has been a process and lasted for many, many years. For me, the anti-depressants helped because I do not believe I could have handled the pain 20 years ago. I have a therapist and have had multiple EMDR sessions that’s worked wonders. Now, I’m getting to a point in which I’d like to go off of them but I’m afraid the pain will be too intense. I’m in sober recovery and the reason I drank was to numb the pain. Obviously, I’d work with my physician to taper off Prozac but what would I do when the pain comes back?

  46. SD

    Wow this was so timely and powerful. I can’t thank you enough for sharing this with me. It is often a topic not discussed but when it hits you and you are alone there is no end to the depth of your loneliness. You feel not one other human really gets what you are feeling in that despair – you only pray for relief for understanding for help and my answered prayer came in this email and discussion today.
    Thank you both for this – it felt as if it came from a true friend, one who knows you need to look at yourself and take ownership but one who knows you need love, compassion and understanding. Bless you.

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      SD, so glad to hear this episode came at the exact right moment for you!

  47. Irene

    This is the answer of what I was asking for today. For personal and collective reasons. Thank you so much, Marie and Marianne, for popping up in my mailbox a few hours after asking. A miracle.

  48. There’s so much in this one… I’m definitely going to have to listen to this one a few times to soak it all in I think. Thanks Marie!

  49. Thank you so much for such a powerful message. I’ve been avoiding social media and my personal email the last few days because of the overwhelmingly sad news. I’m so glad I took the time to open this email and listen to Marie and Marianne bring a much-needed perspective. God bless you both for the work you’re doing!

  50. Consuelo eckhardt

    I am going through the end of a ten year relationship. A divorce if you will. I am in a lot of pain which my family refuses to allow me to express with them as they did not like the man and feel that I need to “buck up” change my POV, be happy and move on. I feel grief and loss. This interview was exactly what I needed to hear. I feel calmer now about the coming difficulty that this needed change will present. I will get through it yes, however feel now that I can grieve while it happens.

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      Consuelo, so glad this interview was just what you needed to hear right now. I have no doubt you’ll get through this, but of course there’s grieving that must also take place. That is completely normal, and you’re not alone!

  51. Mandie Burns

    I was so moved by Marianne’s message to just “be” with our sadness. She spoke from a place of soulful authenticity and brokenness, and it was just beautiful. It touched a place deep in my own soul. Thank you, Marianne.

  52. Grace


    I absolutely LOVE your content and your guidance. I admire your knowledge and teaching. But, I believe this episode is marketed misguidedly. To me, the episode is less about “the spiritual principles that deliver us from our pain and how to apply them; How to reconcile feeling deeply sad, empty or depressed —” And more about Marianne’s beliefs about the pharmaceutical industry.

    I’m unaware of her literature and work, but I’m completely open to her thoughts. But, the episode revolves around why depression medication and birth control pills shouldn’t be your go-to option in depression. It doesn’t revolve around her spiritual principles and how to actually help someone heal from suffering.

    Perhaps, I’m not listening correctly. I mean this in the utmost sincerity and grace. If I’m not listening openly enough, then please correct me.

    Thank you for all that you do, and the guidance you give to me and others.

    • aewsdkl;'

      my apologies for that^ cleaning up a keyboard-spew …

  53. Thank you Marie and Marianne! I am secretly holding grudges and judging people whom I love. Learning how to be forgiving and accepting and letting go of my judgements and my desires to “prove I am right” is a huge lesson for me. This video is a perfect study guide for helping to heal emotions. Thanks again.
    Love, Peace & Blessings Always!

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      Pheralyn, I love that you refer to this video as a study guide for helping heal emotions. Yes yes yes! 🙂

  54. Darcy

    Marianne expressed her views on this topic beautifully and she is the voice of sanity and wisdom in a world where both of these are often missing, unfortunately, and especially in regards to this topic. A few years ago, a friend lost her beloved partner, and I can remember being shocked at how insensitive people could be to her in her grief. She told me I was the only person she could talk to freely who didn’t expect her to “get over it” or “stop talking about it,” etc. She needed to talk about him, grieve for as long as she needed to, and process it all in her own time. She was also advised to take anti-depressants at the time and had the wisdom to decline, knowing that she needed to go through all of the difficult feelings to come out on the other side, not numb herself or avoid the discomfort. What’s truly sad is that I think most people in grief experience additional grief as a result of the isolation that occurs when those in our society treat them as “social lepers” because they don’t want to “catch it” (the grief) or witness it and so they just avoid them. Or they simply don’t know what to say or do and so they do nothing. I’m so glad that Marie asked how best to support a grieving person and I think Marianne gave the perfect answer – simply be present. That’s all you need to do. It means the world to that person and can make such a difference. We all carry deep sadness and pain from childhood and various experiences throughout our lives. Acknowledge it and feel it and do the inner work as Marianne advises because it not only heals you but those you come in contact with – as she pointed out, if you don’t deal with your own pain, it makes you less sensitive to the pain of others and what we need is more people willing to be vulnerable and sensitive because that is a true indication of love, wisdom and strength, qualities we are all could use more of in this world.

    • Emily

      I really love your comment. I remember when I was a teenager, when someone from my high school died and it was really shocking, but my mom grabbed a roll of paper towels, peanut butter, jelly, and went to his mother’s house to just be there. Then when I was a little older and a friend died, I did the same with his family. The only thing worse than going through an unbearable loss, is not having another human hand to touch.

      • Kristin - Team Forleo

        What a beautiful thing your mother did for that boy’s mother – and a tremendous example she set for you to be able to pass that kind of comfort on to others later in your life! xo

  55. My biggest insight is that it’s ok to be sad sometimes. Like Marianne said, our society teaches us to think there’s something wrong if we’re sad and we need to get rid of it immediately, but it’s important to let yourself feel completely and learn from the experience. It won’t be forever and it’s a normal part of the ups and downs of life. Thanks for sharing this.


  56. Grief and sadness are healthy to feel. I agree that US culture does not make enough space for people to be in their sadness and grief when people are with each other socially and I commend Marianne for arguing this point. Clinical depression is different. Depressed people do a lot more negative self-referential thinking than is healthy. For example after a loss of a job, their brains might say: “I am failure” “I’ll never find another job like that, that was my one chance in life.” “I’m am bad person.” The medial prefrontal cortex does this sort of thinking and depressed people have much more activation in this area when compared to people experiencing normal grief and sadness. Healthy grief and sadness are more about feeling the loss, really being in the emotional experience and letting it fully wash through you. You want to fully miss what you have lost and face some hard facts about yourself if necessary. Depression on the other hand also has a hopeless quality to it where people think it is never going to get better, ever. This is not a healthy mindset to stay in for months or years. It would be ideal if the person can shift out of the negative self-referential hopeless lens with attention techniques of mindfulness, cognitive restructuring, allowing emotions, or self-compassion etc…, but if they can’t, then meds can help.

    • Thank you for clarifying the difference, Kelly. It’s vital to see that.
      … and also that even with ‘clinical depression’ and meds, the change of mindset that Marianne speaks of can change the experience and the outcome.
      Blessings to all ~

  57. Nancy

    This was so needed for me and the rest of the world.

    Thank you.

  58. Sarah

    This is lovely, thank you. The idea that our culture’s tendency toward depression is a warning system for the issues we are facing is fascinating. We seem to replace true spiritual healing with things that are numbing or compulsive, when what would heal us–living with more awareness and intention–would also heal the planet. Thank you!

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Beautifully put, Sarah!!

  59. I especially appreciated hearing, “feel the grief…until you are done with it”…and the buffaloes that face into the storm in order to get through it. Also found interesting our societal ‘thing’ of previously – we had “emotional permission for grieving” – why have we become this hot mess of “always having to plaster on the happy face”?? Very insightful (and timely – especially with what has happened in Orlando…as well as other events around the world).

  60. Thank you, Marie and Marianne. This message … the centrality of love as THE one necessity for stability, sanity, and salving … we need to hear this again and again. Yes … place it all on the altar; see it as sacred, and allow it its holy place. Revere the fact that we can feel. That’s how we bond. ~ The longer we live, the more pain we bear. I awoke this morning wondering if the condition we call “depression” is, in part, a symptom of our species, of being human — we are self-conscious in a way that no other living being seems to be … and since everything in existence is inter-related, we affect and are affected by everything that occurs. ~ I have lived with a form of depression known as “treatment-resistant depression” since infancy due to being a two-month preemie. This particular form of depression was based in immature brainstem function and anoxia … very much a matter of metabolism and a form of brain injury. Given the times (the late 1950s), hospital policy dictated that premature babies be isolated; my mother and I did not bond, and this lack (and her subsequent addictions and other relation-breakers) has haunted me, from the core of my brain to the core of my soul, ever since. ~ Every depression is unique … I think it spans the entire gamut of human experience from metabolism to mourning and meaning, depending on its origins … and I do know one thing: if our capacity to love, to care, is wounded, we will depress in some way. Loss, grief, and mourning are inevitable, and the losses pile up over the years. In our “back to work in three days!” culture, natural mourning is not allowed, and the consequences are horrific. Love, messy and stuttering, stammering love, loving the best we can in the face of it all, is the primary antidote. Deep and immediate bonds save and salve us, no matter what. I believe this with all my heart — it is the one thing that I know in my marrow without question. Deep love incites and inspires our will to live, our will to be. Depression, I think, can be a symptom of trauma and unattended sorrow … and a lack of resilient, steady bonding. The dominant culture is one of grabbing rather than embracing. Love is our best medicine, even in the face of inevitable death. Just yesterday, one of my longtime friends died. She was surrounded 24/7 by those who loved her, loved to her last breath. Love couldn’t keep her body alive, but it salved her soul. Her bones and her being knew love. May we all know this for even an instant in our lives … because an instant is all it takes.

    • Emma


      Some of the most heart-wrenchingly beautiful and honest words I have ever soaked in.

      I feel empathetic for the sorrows that you have endured, but that I know they have created the enormous heart and deep soul that wrote these words, it is with some ambivalence.

    • Karen J


    • Thank you for this. <3

  61. Beautiful episode! Indeed, my greatest learnings of faith, forgiveness and strength have come during my times of loss and failure. Especially, the loss of my mother in the physical reality. It has contributed immensely to who I am and do the work that I do.

    Thank you for shining your light, ladies!

  62. Emma

    I’m in the midst of a dark night of the soul…I guess we all are to some extent (listening to this-and that makes so much sense). I do not fit in here. In this bubble that is my world where everyone thinks that working 70 hours a week to have more money to have more things is the way to go. I do not care about things. I never did. Not even as a child. I did not need or want the latest toys. I did not even play with toys for the most part. I am almost 45 and I feel lost because noone else can see what I see. The thing is, I do not believe I am lost. I think they are lost, but I’m the one suffering. I mean I know they are-but I am spiritually. I am sinking, drowning. I am putting my hands out for anyone to grab and say, “I understand your suffering and I can see why you feel lost. I may not choose to live that way, but honey, we need to get you to the place where you can thrive with others like you. You are a star shining brightly and this place, this place is going to put out your fire. We do not do things that way here, but I know just where you belong.” Why do I need that from someone else? Because I know I do not belong here, but I don’t know how to get to where I belong. It has been my story since I was a child. I am lost. I have been lost for so long and I do not know how to get to where the others are. The ones that know my soul. I keep trying to give in to this social frenzy and the deeper I get, the more lost I realize I have become and the more frightened I get that I may never get to where I belong.

    • Emma, you are not alone. I know how you feel. You may feel it is here you do not belong – and perhaps that is true… but, I believe you and your tribe may not have found each other yet. I also believe giving in to the ‘social frenzy’ will not help you and your tribe find each other. For what it’s worth, for me, relentless intention and fervent listening to intuition have helped me begin finding my place. Much peace to you <3 <3

  63. Thank you for the conversation Marie for inviting Marianne to your table and share this timely conversation, and in Marianne Williamson’s words “dark days are part of the natural order…” What an enlightening and welcoming appraisal of the word “sadness” and how this emotion is understandably an important part of an organic presence in our lives. My gratitude to you Marianne for your sage words and books which have been at my bedside table intermittently throughout my own “dark nights of the soul” from as long as I have been healing from the fallout of childhood trauma and how often, even now, it brings its inevitable sadness during life happenings and I am comforted by your words. I understand and accept sadness, and creatively extend it throughout my understandings and teachings in my life coaching practice. I have much to be reminded of and I will be “giving all I have.” I sit up straighter now as I am reminded that “love is real, and love is all that matters…it works miracles…” Marie your insightful work is love and it inspires in all ways especially as you bring us today a magnificent and soulful teacher — Marianne Williamson!

  64. maria

    Hi Marie,
    I loved this conversation.Thank you so much.!
    My insight right now is to practice forgiveness.
    Avoid being around people that is always bringing the past and attacking and full of resentment.
    Thank God I´m a very positive and enthusiastic person,but I´ve been terrible affected by being with my mother that always blamed someone else for everything that happened in her life.She is never happy with anything. Now I´m living away from her and I´´m at more peace.Still,I feel deeply sorry for her being this way.

    God bless you,

    PS: By the way,I ´m starting my second career as a health coach and I can´t be happier.

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      Congrats on your new career, Maria!

  65. Melissa Brauen

    Once again Marie brings to us something wonderful – Marianne is such an inspiration and mentor for being better people. I am saving this one to watch again and again. Timely also in the wake of the Orlando tragedy.

  66. Barbara

    This was so perfect. I forget that those painful challenges can be a call to change. And the fact the Marianne Williamson has to remember not to judge makes me feel that I am not failing, but just trying and growing. Amazing.

  67. Colby Thompson

    Now I know what drew me to you so quickly. I have been listening to and reading Marianne Williamson’s wisdom for decades, since Return To Love first came out. She explained A Course in Miracles so clearly. When I first came across your blog and videos online there was somthing about you and how you delivered your material that really made me comfortable. I also study with Brendon Burchard, but you give your information on business your own twist that I couldn’t put my finger on until today when I saw this interview with Marianne. This was the best interview with her I have ever seen. I so enjoyed it. You have a connection with her that I could feel through the screen and it made me love you both more. Thank you. I have stopped and started medication several times. When I first started taking it I was also in the middle of a horrible addiction to alcohol, so how could I even tell if the medication was doing what it was supposed to. I have been sober for 12 years now. I suffer greatly with PTSD from childhood sexual abuse and anxiety. My doctor put me on Zoloft again recently. He also added Trazadone for the anxiety. I have learned many techniques to help myself. Meditation is the most helpful. My spiritual practice is what makes my life complete. My daughter and both of my best friends are terribly depressed and all three take a lot of medication for it. I have shared the video with them in hope that they will see what I do. Life is about the good and the bad and no medication is going to help change that. We don’t want to change that or we won’t be experiencing life. Thank you so much for this interview and for everything you share with us who follow you.

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      Thank you so much for sharing this, Colby. We’re honored to know that this episode resonated with you enough to share it with your loved ones. I sincerely hope it helps them, too!

  68. Agnieszka

    Thank You Marie and Marianne for this interview. I feel kind of lighter right now. I’m grateful for the recognition of pain and connection with other in our life. And I hope more people will be practicing this attitude on daily basis.

  69. As a physician I cannot agree more with Marianne’s take on the “psycho-pharmaceutical-industrial complex” and, despite my Western training, I rebel against it every day. Western Medicine has much to offer in cases of extremis: broken limbs, physical trauma, burns, wounds. But well-being is another thing altogether.

    So happy to hear a thought leader with a big platform talk about the epidemic malpractice that is over-prescribed oral contraceptives. My holistic anti-aging practice is aesthetic in nature, but I take it as a personal point of pride that I have gotten dozens of young women off of these hormonally-disruptive, (ironically) libido-killing drugs. And couldn’t agree more with her take on Prozac culture. Yes, of course grief is transformative and difficult, but ultimately educational. The tuition of life.

    I first read Marianne’s “A Return to Love” decades ago while embarking on my medical training as part of a quest to better understand the spiritual world, my place in it, and to explore the nature of emotional peace and healing. That book was a gamechanger for me. I devoured all of her tapes (dating myself) while traveling to and from my job as a writer, listening to some over and over again. They were like a balm for my restless, young soul. She has a gift of communication. Obviously.

    What a pleasure to see how she has gotten better and better. The young woman who wrote that book all those years ago has blossomed into a deeply wise, emotionally intelligent sage who brings great dignity, insight, and spiritual acuity to the world.

    Thanks for this interview, Marie. One of your best.

    Sonita M. Sadio, MD
    West Village, NY

    • “The tuition of life.” Beautiful thought, Sonita. Thank you. I’m reminded of something that Stephen Levine wrote: “We are learning to live with the consequences of love.”

      Funny … just last week I bought and am reading “A Return To Love.” WOW. Such lucid simplicity. Something in me still resists … and given the last several weeks of my life (two loved ones have died … Orlando … I have had a breast lump scanned and just got word that all is well … PHEW), the crack down the middle of my soul allows more light to enter.

      Thank you, Sonita, for how you understand and practice medicine.

  70. Safena

    Marie and Marianne
    My takeaway is the acceptance of all things sad. Permission to take the fear out of feeling my emotions and displaying them to the world. The allowance to put my failures or doubts on the alter and have the sense that I would receive help that I will not be alone. Very powerful yes’s to everything life has to offer us. Thank you Marianne for putting your heart out there to show us we are not alone. You feel like the best friend we all need rather than want. Love to you both for your courage and authenticity.

  71. caroline

    Ours souls are old and dense. Like a delightful fudge cake with thick fudge frosting, each spoonful we dip brings us a bit of delight. Just remember each time we enjoy it, the plate is left with only crumbs in the end. Remember to celebrate in both reflection and anticipation.

  72. j

    Thank you. I so needed to hear the prayer at the end. I found 3 shot gun shells on the path I walk each morning and this morning found out they were from my husbands failed attempt to take his life this past weekend.
    My heart is broken, scared and I’m a bit unglued.
    Definitely owning the dark days.

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      I’m so deeply sorry to hear that J. I can’t imagine the pain that must be causing you. We’re sending you so, so much love.

  73. Maria

    I have such mixed feelings about this episode. I think what sits uncomfortably with me is the assumption that all professionals over prescribe or don’t look holistically at their patients. I believe that as therapists we give our clients permission to feel whatever comes up as opposed to coaxing them with positive platitudes. Meaning is how we create and what we find to be core truths for ourselves. Last thing, antidepressants and the correlation (not causation) of suicide has been studied and explained. As has the chemical bases of depression ( I e scientific studies).

    • Another Maria

      I share your mixed feelings. As someone who has had chronic low grade depression my whole life, medication has helped me tremendously. At the same time, I think there is a difference between chronic and situational depression. Feelings of depression after a loss are normal, and I thin Marianne makes good points about having to live through them to get to the other side. Chronic depression without a situational cause isn’t normal and treatment, which can include medication, is necessary to deal with it.

  74. Thank you Marie for sharing this and showing that to have a successful business and life we need to recognise the place of the soul and spirituality. As a practicing Muslim, I relate very much and have learned a lot and have a lot of respect for Marianne’s work – I just always wonder why Islam which is one of the three Abrahamic faiths including Christianity and Judaism and is certainly one of the greatest spiritual traditions in the world like Buddhism, all of which are traditions I respect, is usually not included in the conversation. I was so amazed to see how the memorial of Muhammad Ali brought together so much love and respect from people of all different faiths and traditions and I hope we can begin to see more inclusion of Islam and its true meaning which centre around compassion, mercy, love and equity included in the conversation about spirituality instead of having it solely being blamed when someone who has nothing to do with the religion or clearly has completely misinterpreted and twisted its meanings commits such a horrible act against humanity which my heart aches for along with many other hearts . The word Islam actually comes from the word peace. And it is my prayer for all of you and all of us today to find peace, joy and love. Thank you again Marie and it is my sincere hope that my comment and hopes will be be received with an open mind and heart. We are all humans my friends and we all want the same things. Peace and prayers to you all.

  75. Simz

    Thank u so much Marie.. this is what I despretly needed.. this week’s episide was so so important and I was so touched by that prayer… u always help exaclty when I need..

  76. Maria

    Again the feeling is that you are either one or the other. Spiritual or medical. No integration or cohesiveness. Many doctors , psychiatrists and psychologists go through intensive training to SERVE their clients better. Why assume they don’t understand the spiritual healing dimension too ? #Dissapointing

  77. LAUS DEO

    Message in suffering is well explained. Suffering/Pain speaks something. It should not be ignored!

  78. Hi Marie
    Thanks for this amazing interview, what an a wonderful human being. If I knew all this stuff in my twenties, as I fought the turmoil in my head, that eventually had me in a psychiatric hospital and pumped with drugs.
    At 60 I feel blessed, I am learning to love myself, but have so far to go, to express that love to others. My son is going through a tough time at 24 and from this interview, I feel more ready to support him. Just to be there and tell him its perfectly OK to be sad, confused and maybe scared.
    I will tell him to sit with the emotions for a while and don’t fight, don’t use distractions, just feel the emotion and they WILL pass soon.
    Thank you again, I intend to watch the interview a few times and make notes of those “insights”
    I feel calm, happy and ready to love more. I will fail so many times, I know, but deep down the road happiness is never easy, but worth every step
    Love you
    Tony Taylor

  79. Amanda

    Dear Marie, dear Marianne,
    Thank you so much for this interview. Medication has never been an issue in my life, but I needed a reminder that I am allowed to grieve, even if I am sad about something that has happened far away & to people I do not know.
    I lost my mom when I was five & when my dad came down with the same illness that killed her (he is still fighting it), I had to find a way out of “victim mode” & started to be more present, more grateful, to take action to transform my life bit by bit. When something upsets me these days, I open up to someone I trust & do something kind for someone (<_ a HEALTHY form of distraction that usually does the trick for me).
    Thank you for this thought-provoking message & lots of love,

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      Amanda, it’s such a beautiful thing to do something kind for someone else in the midst of your own pain! Sending your dad healthy, loving vibes.

  80. Ailiza


  81. So many a-ha moments and a few tears….

    You did it again….I loved it all, but there’re two things that I’ll never forget.

    1) We have a psychic immune system. And all that comes from that….

    2) Relationships are of the mind.


  82. I could listen to Marianne all day!

    I loved the part at the end about empathy and being present when someone is grieving instead of ignoring them.

    Also, it was so nice to have a prayer read to me. That’s not common anymore, and Marianne does it so well!

  83. This is on point with everything I have experienced and teach in my own life as well as with my clients at State of the Heart Fitness. I love that Marianne is addressing depression and grieving/sadness in this way. So many run away from their feelings and yet as I teach (teachings called “From Head to Heart: Finding Your Health & Happiness Through a Heart-Centered Life”), our feelings/emotions are energy in motion and if we don’t allow ourselves to feel them, they get stuck and create huge imbalances not only in our emotional well-being, but in our physical well-being as well. Dis-ease results over time. It is all so intimately connected. What we feel we can absolutely heal and feeling is our direct line and connection to our soul and to the truth of who we are… that we are LOVE. We are ONE.

    Thank you Marie & Marianne (Marianne I have met you briefly a couple of times in Los Angeles 🙂 ) for this hugely important discussion and thank you, Marianne, for writing this book. I will surely look into it.

    God bless you both and all of us. God bless this beautiful world. When we heal our heart, we heal our world.

    With love & tremendous compassion,
    Lisa Brisse

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      So glad this resonated with you Lisa! Thanks for tuning in 🙂

  84. Thank you for this beautiful episode. This spoke to what I’ve known, and the work I’m doing. I so appreciate you bring your colleagues to us.
    BE Blessed!

  85. The expression “the dark night of the soul” has become a cliche by now.There is no dark night of the soul, but countless dark nights of the soul. There is light within darkness, and darkness within light. Sadness or depression do not neccessarily mean that one has strayed. For some,it does. We were not born to be happy, or to be sad. We are entitled to pursue personal happiness, but hapiness is not the purpose of life. We are here to experience fully the full range of human emotions without attachment to any emotional state. We are not our emotions, our emotions pass through us. We are not just love. We are also the outrage and sadness and devastation. There is now a collective depression and sadness occurring in American society, resulting from a collosal failure of this society to uphold spiritual principles as a priority. There is a grief that never ends, and also an endless joy and love. It will not end. This is life on earth. I am of Jewish descent. I have been banished and persecuted by the Jews for 40 years, due the the fact that the Jewish community is antagonistic to the idea that a woman can be enlightened in te same way as Buddha or Moses were. I have played no role in this society. I live in north America. I repeat: i have been banished. Objectified, stigmatized, made an outcast. My beloved partner has been crucified. Labeled a terrorist and tortured to death, and i have been named a ‘prostitute’. History repeats itself. Remember Jesus and Mary, his partner and equal? They did the same to them. The patterns are known. I have prayed for justice, not for forgiveness, and my prayer was granted to me. Some crimes are not forgiveable, some grief never ends. We are here to acknowledge the responsibility of individuals and groups for the devastation tat is on- going on this planet. There can be no future for humanity without the divine feminine playing its proper role in society. The divine female is not a whore, nor is she a holy prostitute as some of you have referred to her. You have desecrated me. You have banished me. There is o end to my grief in this system that you hve created and maintained. You can not be of this world and not of this world, both at the same time. Behold! The brightest light is one and undivided. A line has been drawn in the sand of times, to separate those who follow me, and those who follow other principles. Much sadness for those who were divided in their loyalties. There has been a massive descent into a lower vibrational world. I have spoken.

  86. Deb Tucker

    I have read “A return to love” over and over as a refresher and always am able to get in focus and have the ability to connect with eternal divine connection…Thank you for reminding me today that forgiveness is ongoing and a continual process in our lives.

  87. Caroline

    So profoundly touched by this conversation. Thank you, Marianne and Marie, for holding this beautiful space for such needed discussions in our world today.

  88. Lovely interview and very timely. Just came back from a session with a massage therapists. I walked in with serious pain in my arms and thought only of a physical treatment. But surprise, surprise what emerged was grief and anger about a work relationship that had just gone awry. I had dealt with matters sensibly but totally ignored to feel the pain involved. My body had simply been shouting at me to acknowledge that there was a pain that couldn’t and shouldn’t be ignored.

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      Incredible what our bodies try to tell us. I hope you get some relief, both emotionally and physically, Karin!

  89. Emily

    In the words of my 18 month old, “wow.” (He says that so often, but you know, it’s appropriate.)
    This episode was an epiphany machine. But one essential realization I had was that going through a Dark Night of the Soul should not be medicated. My first big Dark Night of the Soul was, ironically, coming off prescription amphetamines for ADD when I was still pretty young. And because it was one prescription, I was NOT going to get into anything else. I wouldn’t even take the sleeping pills they gave me at the hospital, because I was just so scared of pills by then!
    However looking back, it took about a year before the pain from that transition didn’t play a big part in my day, but I went through it, and I got over it. Like the buffaloes, the only way out is through. Now probably not a day that goes by that I don’t use the musculature that I built back then. And that was over a decade ago. Ever since, I’ve built the confidence to take on bigger and harder challenges.
    Thank you so much for this interview, and thank you so much for this book. It’s so important. I listen to the other interview with Marianne Williamson on the regular.

  90. Dave

    Having a tough time with this one …

    “The world needs that special gift that only you have” … “if you’re withholding love, if you’re not practicing mercy, compassion, forgiveness, you can’t be happy.”

    I feel I DO have a special gift to make the world a better place. I also feel the world I’m living in abjectly refuses that gift. Ever since I was a kid in school, all I’ve ever done is try to help people, be kind, supportive … and at every turn I’ve been smacked down and pushed away from the society I’m trying to contribute to. I was the nerd, the loser, the target for all the bullies, but for over 30 years, I never stopped trying.

    A couple years ago, I bought into a business, to give back to my community and inspire people to live a little healthier, and before I even opened the doors I was receiving hate mail from existing clientele. The person I bought it from deliberately misrepresented the contract, buried his omissions with a bribe to the realtor, and the court awarded judgement in his favor—$50 000, and my credit is destroyed. Meanwhile, I was involved with a girlfriend who was exactly the kind of “positive” person Marianne laments—the one who tolerates ZERO negativity—and in the most challenging period of my life, when my defences were at their weakest, made me feel that I was wrong, wicked, broken, for having a bad day.

    And looking back, I realize now that she did this BECAUSE my defences were low, and that made me an easy target to manipulate. This isn’t just my perspective—even my own friends, who she turned me against and I’ve since reconnected with, tell me this.

    Those are the two most recent and significant examples, but my whole life has been like this: I open up to Give Love, and other people take and take and take, for their own, specific, calculated, self-serving purposes, and the only thing they give back is wonderful-sounding lies to keep me giving.

    My tank is empty. I have nothing left to give. And I’m not sure I even want to, since historically, giving only seems to open me up to getting used. My “special gift” isn’t wanted, and even if it was, I don’t feel like sharing anymore. I know there are a FEW genuine, loving people in the world—you seem to be one of them—but for the most part, my faith in the basic goodness of humanity is gone.

    I subscribed to B-School about three years ago, and I really want to believe in it. I tried implementing some of those strategies in my business purchase. But the last two years has been a hard lesson that people only really understand and TRUST that cutthroat, competitive ethic—the “Red Ocean,” not the “Blue” one. If I lead with generosity, they think I’ve got some nefarious plan to screw them, but if I lead with aggression, well, that’s “normal” and probably legit.

    I feel I AM the “lonely chimpanzee” in Marianne’s story, the “early detection sign.” But not because of anything inherent to me, just because all the other chimpanzees are assholes to me. All I’ve ever wanted to do was give and contribute, but the message I keep receiving is, “Nobody wants what you have to offer, so go away.”

    Forgiveness is the key to happiness, but how do I forgive THAT? When people DELIBERATELY reject me, and the only time they let me in is to DELIBERATELY use my generosity for selfish reasons? To hurt me so they can profit?

    • Emily

      It sounds like you’re having a really tough time, and you’re in some serious pain. So much pain, that perhaps it seems like any generosity you give out will automatically be rejected. If you’re tank is empty, then let it be empty for a while so that you don’t ruin you’re engine. However, after you’ve had the appropriate amount of grieving time, try putting yourself out there with generosity in very small ways. Ways that aren’t as risky, to build yourself back up.
      One reason it would be really difficult to forgive those who rejected you is if you think you will always be rejected. For instance if you think you will never have money, it would be really difficult to forgive someone who stole money from you. But you won’t always be rejected. You’ll just be rejected a lot, before you finally get through at the level you want by learning from all those other rejections. Seth Godin said something in an interview about sending out his first book 800 times before it was accepted for publication.
      I hear you, there are a lot of really nasty people out there, who do lots of nasty things that are DIFFICULT to recover from. But if you move your attention away from those a-holes and just try to find somebody who is kind and generous, in time there will be little drops of fuel in your tank.
      Focus on the good guys, because they hang out together, and then you’ll find yourself surrounded.

      • Dave

        I appreciate the quick reply, and I’m not trying to throw a pity party. But it wasn’t just the money.

        I’ve wanted to open a restaurant my entire life. It’s put a lot of strain on my relationship with my father, who absolutely disagrees with my career choice. The whole legal process AFTER this disaster consumed two years of my life where I couldn’t leave to find more work because I always had to be back for some court appointment. I’ve been living in poverty and out of my field for two years.

        So between the failure of the business, the animosity I received from the public just for trying, and the object lesson about who succeeds and who doesn’t (the liars and cheats versus the honest businesspeople—he actually corroborated MY testimony against him on the witness stand, and the judge still awarded in HIS favor on a technicality of process) …

        … it’s not the money. It’s two years of my life. It’s the strain on my family. It’s all the goals and dreams I’ve had since I got my first job at 16. It’s the skills I’ve lost, sitting on my thumbs for two years with no work in this town. It’s my faith in the Court system, the government, the general goodness of society. It’s all the sacrifices I made in every area of my life, that affected not just me, but my friends and family as well.

        Most distressing, it’s my Passion. This is the only thing I’ve ever wanted to do with my life, and I just don’t care anymore. I don’t want to do it. Twenty years of arguing with my father about “man’s work” and “woman’s work,” three years of culinary school, and a student loan I’ll be paying off for years, and I JUST DON’T WANT IT ANYMORE.

        How do you forgive someone for stealing THAT?

        • • •

        I can’t focus on the “good guys,” because I honestly don’t know where they hide out. I see so sharply now how every gesture of kindness or proactivity is just a sly ploy to “get something” out of somebody else—not just in my own interactions, but third-party, watching other people interact as well. It seems everyone just tries to SCREW everyone else, all the time. There’s no SINCERITY anymore: people ask “how are you?” not because they care, but because they’re paid to—and if you DARE answer with anything other than a cheerful “fine, thanks!” then YOU are the villain.

        How do you “give back to humanity” when humans are the entire problem?

        • Emily

          Hey there,
          It’s cool to throw yourself a pity party in a forum about bereavement because everybody needs it sometimes. Your story sounds a lot like something that happened to my father when I was a kid. He was a great lawyer but his firm split up and his partner sued him, and he spent years in a lawsuit that was really painful and personal. And it’s not the money, because money comes back. I can understand that.
          If your gut is telling you not to do it anymore, don’t do it anymore. Rest. But any animosity you get from your father or the public is more about them than you. They feel afraid about all the things they never tried, or he only does “man’s work” because his father beat that into him. You know how it goes.
          When you’re in a lot of pain, and you’ve been manipulated, rejected and hurt to the point that you can’t make another move, its better to just rest, and stay still and not risk further injury. But if you do genuinely rest and you don’t beat yourself up about it, there will come a day when you want to move again. And somewhere in that vicinity you will find another human being, I promise. Because we are out there.
          In the mean time, I feel for you. I can see what you’re saying. Maybe try to go to the gym because it will mix up your brain chemistry in a different direction. You’re really articulate about your pain and what it is you’re going through and that will help you objectify it and get to the other side.
          Sending hope,

  91. Sabine

    Thank you so much Marie and Marianne. Since the Orlando shootings I haven’t been functional – just crying all day, irritable and upset. I couldn’t understand quite why I was experiencing it as if I knew one of the slain or injured when I live all the way on the other side of the country and didn’t know any of the victims. But this video was everything I needed to hear, and thankfully my thinking is “altered.” I understand now that my personal connection to this tragedy is that my young daughter just came out to me that she is bisexual and I was scared for her. And I appreciate that love for all humanity will be an endless spring of hope for me and my family. I really can’t thank you enough for this healing.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Sabine, what a beautiful share. I hope you pocket and keep that piece you said about “an endless spring of hope for me and my family.”

  92. This was a very wonderful and true interview. I agree 100 % with Marianne and it is my message for the world too. Only love can move mountains. I lost my mother to suicide when I was very young and this put me on a healing journey to learn to be just me. I inspire people to turn loss into the Magic of Life and live to the fullest. We are here for a purpose and we should listen to our wake-up calls to help this world become a better place.

  93. Heather


    Thank you so much for this. Amazing interview. Had me in tears for half of it. But I can whole heartedly agree with Marianne. I lost two aunts last Summer and went through an another horrific loss, one I did on my own, but profoundly regret. I think I’ve been sad but have tried to pretend that I wasn’t. I didn’t have closure with the second aunt for she passed without my family knowing. So I think I’ve pushed feelings and things far down for a while.

    I love the alter mindset and I need to put some things on there myself. I know avoid sadness and push through by being distracted, but I will give myself some grace this week and allow to myself to be sad, heal, and reset. Thank you again for this!

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Heather, that’s SO good and you’re so very welcome. We’re deeply sorry to hear about your aunts, and love the plan you have this week to allow for some grace, sadness, healing, and resetting. And maybe it’ll be much more than a week…

      Thank you for sharing. xo

  94. This was one of my favourite Marie tv episodes to date. My family has had a long battle with mental illness – my brother dying by suicide 6 years ago. Watching their struggle with depression ( reactional depression to traumatic events ) and them being thrown on meds and off meds and having every side effect you could name was horrendous to me. It’s the whole if your check engine light went on would you stick duct tape over it and keep driving until you car blows up? No, so why do we do it to our health? It infuriated me to watch people be medicated for something that can be healed naturally, and for grievances that need to be allowed, not suppressed by chemicals which can then lead to further depression and suicidal tendencies. My brother was ripped off his meds cold turkey and killed himself two days later. Many Drs have told me they’re shocked he lasted two days because that’s something you just don’t do. The loss of my brother and watching other family members struggle combined with my own struggle with depression throughout these times motivated me to become a hypnotherapist to help people heal from the root cause. I have days where I feel down, but I know they too will pass, and I try and learn from the pain and emotions at hand. I truly believe in the message of this video and am SO happy to see it talked about publicly. My hope is that more people will realize that antidepressants are an industry of their own, and have the potential to be more damaging than beneficial. There has been a stigma created that we ‘need to be happy’ but by resisting or pushing away our pain, we are only prolonging true ‘happiness’. When Marianne touched on grief coming back to bite you – that was totally my case. I kept myself so busy to try and avoid the grief without consciously realizing that’s what I was doing. It wasn’t until I allowed myself the space and love to feel and heal that I grew, and moved forward and learned, and came out stronger. Because of allowing myself to heal and grieve, I created the space and depth to fully empathize with and help others.
    What also really resonated with me was ‘It’s not what you do or what you say, it’s that you’re there.’ I feel this could be applicable in so many areas of my life and I’m excited to practice being more present! Thank you Marie & thank you Marianne for bringing light and truth to a subject that previously has had lots of stigma around it. I am so grateful for this video and the messages it portrays. With huge love & gratitude!

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      I am so sorry you lost your brother, Anya. Thank you for sharing your story with us! xo

  95. Anya

    I also forgot to mention – the point about depression being a chemical inbalance although these levels are not checked is HUGE. At hospitals and regular Drs that’s almost never the case. And I can say that firsthand after six years of watching my family members in appointments and psych wards etc etc
    The only time my families levels have been checked is by a naturopath – and it was then when they took the right drug in correlation with the chemicals lacking that they found success. I do believe there’s hope within the system, we just need to find the right people who have the clients best interests at heart!

  96. Dear Marie,

    Excuse me for being presumptuous if I’m totally off-base here, but it seems you have been going through something difficult yourself, which somehow shows on your face in this video. I just wanted to “show up” for you, as you continue to do for all your viewers day after day after day, and remind you that you’re a brave soul, a courageous human and an inspiration to millions, but most of all, a beautiful woman for all your vulnerability that you may not always share.

    Thank you for this wonderful interview, and I hope you get whatever you need to nurture and nourish you, too.

    With love,
    Your friend, supporter, and sister,

  97. This is epic! I used to watch Marie every week but stopped a couple of years ago as my path took me on a more spiritual route but I see Marie TV had evolved to include more of the yin. Just re-subscribed and look forward to the excellent content.

    • Kristin - Team Forleo

      Wonderful to have you back in the fold, Christina 🙂 There’s lots of yin around here!

  98. Dorothy Hayes

    So many gems of wisdom. A reminder that suffering is part of living and its okay to be sad and depressed. A reminder that the things of this world are temporary and fleeting. A reminder that only love is real. A reminder that sibling relationships need to be nurtured. A reminder of turning up, and being present. Feeling grateful for the safety of ritual in my culture. A reminder that it takes two. And the ‘alter’ was a revelation for me as somewhere to place all insecurities and other bits of baggage on. And driving into the storm rather than running from it! Thank you to Marie for your gift of bringing Marianne and the wisdoms she shares.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Yes, love the “altar” idea too!

  99. This is perfect timing Marie & team. It’s such a clear reminder to those who are struggling right now that we both need to honor our grief and support one another through it.
    As entrepreneurs, this tells me something as well. We do a lot of talk about pain points and curing suffering through our services. I’m at a loss about how to communicate this, but I think we need to be extra careful about the promises we make in our marketing and messaging. The disappointment felt at being underserved and overpromised is a grief of its own.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Rikki, that’s such an insightful idea and addition to this conversation, and maybe it’s about really understanding what we can and simply cannot do for others.

      Thank you so much for watching.

  100. Fee Gentry

    There are no words to articulate how powerful,prolific, and on purpose Marianne Williamson’s message she shared with us today. Many of her insights resonated so strongly in my soul that it took away my breath. Marie thank you once again for always keeping it real!
    Until next time my friend,
    Live Free !

  101. Laura Ramos

    Marie. You always have special guests and they teach me A LOT! But Marianne Williamson… SHE IS “THE TEACHER”… After what happened in Orlando I have been hearing her in the back of my mind and secretly hoping to hear something from her somewhere… Is like she has this way of guiding us to the light… This was such a coincidence and I deeply appreciate you bringing her to your TV Episodes… I’m a 100% in agreement with her and that we need our society to move to the place of honoring other people’s feelings, even when they are of deep despair. Life can be hard. Happiness is not always present. But what always is… is L-O-V-E. Thank you and Blessings to both. Laura

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Laura, we’re so happy to hear this is just what your heart was seeking. Thank you for tuning in.

  102. Luiza

    What a beautiful episode! Thank you Marie and Marianne!
    I believe that when we allow ourselves to feel our pain, we heal from our core and love just happens in our hearts. We are more compassionate towards ourselves and others as Marianne describe in the episode.
    I went thru a very difficult time not long ago and it took me almost four years to recover from it. It took a long time for me to feel normal again and I am positive that it took me this long due to my lack of emotional intelligence in the past (more like sweeping things under the rug, bottling things in, not liking to feel emotions, etc). I now know how to listen to my heart and to express myself authentically which is a blessing!! I also feel like giving everyone in the world a hug as I know that deep down we all have our battles and it can be very difficult to surrender to them. We all need love and compassion! Much love, Luiza x

  103. The term ‘the dark night of the soul’ has become a cliche, used to describe everything- from spiritual lapses, to grief for a loss, etc. There is no dark night of the soul. There are countless dark nights, and countless light days.
    The prayer read in the end, is for strayed souls. Surely, this is not to be identified with depression or sadness. Grief is grief. It is sometimes a signal that one has strayed from their spiritual a course.
    Enough of religious theology. We are not love, neither are we anger or grief. Do not put your emotions on an altar. Our emotions are not us. They do not own us. Our emotions pass through us like days and nights. Happiness is not the purpose of life, although we are all entitled to pursue it. Some crimes cannot be forgiven nor forgotten. Men has created endless grief for me in this world. Oceans of years. The pursuit of happiness has turned into the pursuit of personal gratification. The pursuit of instant gratification. This is the end of The American Dream. Time to abandon this culture. It is a fallen society. We cannot raise the dead.
    The way to deal with grief is to accept it without judgment, and to focus on the world of spirit, and spirit only, at all times. No need for theology and mechanical ritualistic behavior, for those who are awake and conscious.
    There is no end to my grief, in the world of Men.
    I have been banished in your society. Do you think this world can survive without Anima Mundi? You have given me no role in your world. You have made me an outcast. A female Buddha or Christ is too much for you. You like to follow men. You have not read my books. You don’t have time for them. Ha! Wake up and smell the rotten apples.

  104. Aloha & Mahalo Marie.
    Marianne earned her right to speak her mind. And it’s not just her legend status or wisdom of her years, it’s her common sense approach, and her unapologetic opinion that gives her the strong voice of reason. Her politically incorrect statements that roughs the feathers in our society. :-))
    According to Buddha there are only two categories of people, AWAKE and ASLEEP. In another translation it could be PRESENT and IGNORANT. Somehow we decided to be neither, with majority just being NUMB. Yes, it’s a society disease.
    I also loved how she said, no one starts from themselves. We became the ‘ME ME ME’ generation of pointing fingers. We forgot to hold ourselves accountable.
    And when it comes to making amends, did anyone notice that people really suck at apologies? Is it not taught anymore? We forgot that apology has three parts, not just the ‘I’M SORRY’ part. The second is ‘PLEASE FORGIVE ME’ and the third ‘WHAT CAN I DO TO FIX IT’ or ‘HOW CAN I MAKE IT BETTER’……
    And if an apology has ‘BUT’ in it, stop listening, it’s not an apology, it’s justification.

    Thank you both, it was healing, revealing and inspirational. Aloha.

  105. Sue BE

    Every word Marianne says is deeply meaningful and Marie, I salute the quality of your listening.

  106. The very last part of the prayer literally touched me on the heart and I surely will include it as my routine prayer. The very difficult part of dealing with “spiritual disease” like failure is the perseverance in the journey. Sometimes I wonder how could successful people like you, Marie, keep the perseverance on the process to achieve the truthful life.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Dewi, perseverance is huge and I’m so glad you mentioned it. It can be a struggle for all of us — seemingly successful people too — especially when we need to take little steps, one at a time, in order to move forward at all.

      Thank you for your lovely comment.

  107. Anne

    I love Marianne’s wisdom. I am grieving so badly as my children are growing up, one of them gone and the other one nearly there. I live in the UK and it doesn’t seem like the right thing here to acknowledge grief over this massive change in daily life, like it is trivial and a sign that you “don’t have a life”. My life feels very empty all of a sudden and I have been fighting it with ‘busyness’ and getting so tired in the process. I am now lying in bed after watching the video realising that my time for being busy is not yet, and I can only get my energy back once I have gone through the painful grieving process. Fighting is totally the wrong approach, acceptance and forgiving myself for feeling sad are the answer which will allow me to move on. Thankyou.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Amen to that, Anne. What a gorgeous insight. So glad you watched this today, and we’re sending big hugs.

  108. Thank You both for such a blessing conversation.
    I am expiriencing a dark moment in my soul, and i need it to hear this words to embrace and uplift my spirit.
    I send you both my love and light.

  109. Beverly Olsen

    I want you to know that today as I listened to this show I bury not one but two family members just 3 days a part! I’m a pastor and officiated at my nieces fathers funeral this morning and will officiate at her husbands funeral Friday. The fathers death was expected he had cancer. The husbands death a tragic drowning! We never know do we? This show was a God send, a precious gift. Thank you for what the both of you do. Hugs Beverly!

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Oh Beverly, I’m so sorry to hear that and what a humbling task you have before you in officiating both services. We’re sending you HUGE hugs back.

  110. Dee

    This episode couldn’t have come at a better time. I just broke off an almost 3 yr relationship, and due to work & other engagements, didn’t have any time to process it in the past 7 weeks. I am waiting for the grief part to kick in, but have a strong suspicion I already partly grieved during the last months of the relationship. I realize that I have over analyzed our differences in the last months, that is how I could arrive at my decision to break up. I forgave him & I think now instead of sadness, I’m working to forgive myself and gain back my confidence. This video resonated with me on so many levels, I am really grateful.
    Thank you Marianne and Marie!

  111. Julia Hammer

    This was such a beautiful and healing moment in my day. I have been feeling very down lately due to a compounding number of factors and I’ve been feeling like I’m going crazy. I’m judging myself, like it doesn’t make sense that I’m sad, but this video is a reminder that I can allow that sadness and it’s all part of the process. I wish I could have you both in my back pocket.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      So beautifully put, Julia. And we’re TOTALLY in your back pocket 🙂 XO

  112. Sadia

    Wow! This is exactly what I needed.
    I’ve spent the last few days as though I’ve been walking through treacle. Now, I’m asking myself ‘What does pain mean?’ rather than ‘How can I run away from this?’
    Thank you from the bottom of my heart.x

  113. Just beautiful. I truly agree with the fact that from the most hard times we can create the most amazing things. And that is only love that matters. Thank You a lot for this!

  114. Leslie

    I appreciate this different perspective Marianne has offered, especially with regards to how our culture pathologizes pain and sadness and how we don’t allow ourselves to feel sad and truly grieve following tragic events (such as divorce, death, or negative world events like the Orlando shootings). Our society encourages us to deny our struggles in the quest for happiness, which needs to change. This I 100% agree with.

    However, as someone who has suffered with depression my whole life (and no, I don’t currently use antidepressants), I don’t feel like there was a good distinction made between the deep sadness felt after a traumatic event and the disease of depression.

    Generally, when something bad happens, people feel down or deeply, deeply sad, they definitely go through a dark time of the soul, and their all-consuming grief is very real, and this is all normal, but what they are feeling cannot be called depression. Some people do go on to develop depression in response to situational events, so normal grief turns into depression, but I need to make the distinction that depression is something very different from the sadness that occurs after trauma.

    For those who don’t know, who aren’t versed in the specifics of actual depression, I think using the word ‘depression’ in the context of normal human suffering can confuse and mislead them, which can lead to further stigmatization of those of us who are struggling with it as a long-term disease.

    I think what Marianne was trying to convey is that many people are misdiagnosed depressed (or with some other mental health label) and are unnecessarily put on antidepressants in response to situations that are normal experiences of human suffering, and I absolutely agree.

    I don’t know what causes actual depression. Whether it’s a chemical imbalance or something altogether different, I really don’t know. I do know that there are definitely non-medicinal ways to help those suffering with actual depression, including some of the suggestions made in this video, to varying degrees of success, but I also need to point out that depression IS as real a disease as cancer or diabetes.

    Please, don’t call sadness in response to world events or personal traumas depression. There is a difference. But yes, as suggested, do show your support by showing up and just being there.

  115. Patrick Strange

    Thanks Marie, for bringing Marianne on. You and she are wonderful. Such an important message right after Orlando.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Thank you, Patrick, for your kind words. We couldn’t agree more about how important Marianne’s message is right now especially.

  116. What a beautiful interview. I really feel impacted by your conversation on feeling like I “should” be happy as I have so much to be grateful for. Thank you for giving our full spectrum of emotions permission to take their bow on stage. Each one is so important to our health, physically, mentally and as a society. Thank you Marianne and Marie for the work you do, lighting up the world up with your grace and confidence.

  117. Thank you both. Perfect and timely given the current state of affairs in our world which is heartbreaking. More personally, I’ve recently begun seeing a widower, who lost his wife early in the year and is going through this grieving process. I’m glad to know that ignoring the obvious is discouraged since I often ask how he’s feeling as he moves through the birthdays, holidays, anniversaries, allowing him the space & time he needs to move through all of the feelings that will inevitably come up. I’ve shared this with him ~ thank you.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      So happy you shared this with him, Dawn.

  118. Could a conversation be more inspiring than this? The prayer you choose brought me to tears also, I’m so grateful for your sharing this with us.
    You guys are incredible! Thank you!

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Thank you so much for letting us know what this meant to you, Fabiola. What YOU shared means a lot to us.

  119. Nicky

    Thank you Marie and Marianne, what beautiful Divine timing is that brought your video to me. My mother passed away a few days ago and I have been working through the painful stages of grief. This time has not only been the most painful I have ever experienced but also the most spiritually awakening, I feel truly blessed to be learning so much during this time and Marianne words resonate so well right now. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Nicky, I’m deeply sorry to hear about your mother. Your “awakeness” and open heart are so evident through your words — what a beautiful thing that is, and we’re honored this episode was such a gift for you right now. We’ll be sending loads of love your way.

  120. I’m so moved. Thank you Marie!

  121. Scott

    I feel sadness and anger that the anthropologist took away the depressed chimpanzees and then upon their return to a dead chimpanzee troop didn’t wonder that maybe they caused the death by kidnapping part of their family.

  122. Alicia

    Great perspective. Depression, sadness, and angst should be explored more deeply. As someone who suffered two close losses in an extremely short time span, it would have been nice if a Leave of Absence related to Depression was approved for active cognitive-behavioral counseling WITHOUT the combination of medicinal corrections tied to them. In other words, we should be supported to sort out these moments in life without having to take drugs as a way of proving we’re working on them and making improvements.

  123. Marina Janse van Rensburg

    Hi Marianne and Marie
    I very much enjoyed that you mentioned about these highly sensitive people being the Early warning system of the group … yes – it will be great if we listen to their hearts with more empathy, compassion and mercy .. and if we listen carefully we might just hear the drum their hearts are beating to .. and then …as a group … we might be able to Get a Solution … or Give the Support … as we then are Coming from Love …

  124. Audre

    Dear Marie and Marianne,
    Thank you for sharing this incredibly powerful piece. Words cannot express how much my soul resonated with this and how much this healed my heart hearing your words. My family has endured many traumas the last couple of years after having our first child and after being a fairly conscious person, I went into a place of complete unconsciousness. Just recently I have pulled myself out and am processing and feeling again because I went back to my meditation and connecting to myself at the core again. There is nothing that compares to doing the work to process sadness versus living unconsciously with a dull ache and then regret down the road. I hope and pray that others can reach out to those around them, connect and talk about their sadness because it helps to much when someone listens. I will never forget the people that listened to me and heard my sadness during the dark nights of my soul and I thank you for your work that helps people to connect to what is real inside of them.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Audre, thank you so much for sharing this.

  125. mary

    Thank you so much for this. Marianne’s words gave me such hope and comfort. My beloved son died from suicide and as his mum, I had no idea of his pain after his break up with his girlfriend. And for this reason I have been filled with self-hatred and asking for forgiveness is the only way. Thank you Marie for bringing us such a gift in this interview with Marianne her wisdom and kindness is second to none. Amazing!

    Thank you.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Mary, it’s hard to express how much my heart goes out to you, but it does. We’re so grateful you tuned in for this episode today, and hope you can be ever so gentle and kind to yourself in the horrible murkiness of what you’re going through. Thank you for being here with us. Sending you big hugs!

  126. Frederike

    I will not forget about the buffalo’s in the storm! And that suffering gives you x-ray vision into other people’s suffering, so true! I LOVE this episode!

  127. Got a lot out of this, but just want to say about regulating hormones, about which Marianne says, “Nature’s been regulating our hormones for thousands of years.” Not exactly–for decades now, we’ve been exposed to xenoestrogens (aka endocrine disrupters) from chemicals that bind to our receptor sites as if they were real. Herbicides, pesticides, parabens, plastics–all contain endocrine disrupters. This is why kids reach puberty so much younger than they used to; I know a pediatrician who tells parents with very early developing children to use all organic foods and body care products. The parents are often amazed at the difference.

  128. Charlotte

    Hi Marie,
    Thank you so much for Mariannes interview.
    A voice of sanity in the world.
    I have lost my partner eight months ago and two homes. I have been homeless since with my daughter and am still in temporary accomodation. My 16yr old daughter was offered antidepressants after a relationship break up and suicide attempt which we declined. We are both grieving big time but there is
    very little support. I went into treatment and paid £8000 to withdraw from antidepressants 27years ago. To say
    antidepressants are none addictive is a drug company ploy for
    I have a life and I am feeling and grieving. I wish I could wear black as the victorians did to tell the world im grieving. Officials tell me i shouldbe over it I am in more pain now that the numbness has gone. Love your work it is a complete inspiration.

  129. Corrie

    Although I can understand Marianne’s perspective, I do not agree with it. It sounds like a “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” argument which is both ignorant and harmful. Her argument automatically assumes that the person listening has not tried alternative methods to their suffering and that they are taking the easy way out by going on anti-depressants. Like myself, many people have tried alternative methods for years including simply gritting your teeth and getting through it, changing lifestyle, exercising, eating healthy, meditation, therapy and it is still not enough to function normally…or be happy. Many times admitting you need medication is the bravest thing you can do and Marianne makes it sound like you should be ashamed of it. I agree that pharmaceuticals are highly over prescribed and they should be a last resort when all else has failed…but they are quite simply game-changers for so many people also. I have seen loved ones have their lives completely turned around after years of suffering thanks to antidepressants. Clinical depression is not dependent on something happening to you (death, failure, loss), as Marianne suggests, but persists even when everything is going perfectly. She preaches empathy yet has none of it.

    End of rant.

  130. Geez, at the risk of sounding negative, let me say first: I understand where Marianne is coming from — our society has gotten to the point where uncomfortable feelings (depression, sadness, anxiety, etc.) are considered negative and “wrong.” On the flip side of that, I’ve suffered for decades with social anxiety disorder without knowing what the heck it was. Let me tell you, it is not a “normal” thing. It’s not about shyness and it’s far beyond typical nervousness. I hid out in deep, deep pain for half of my life thinking I was the only soul on the planet who felt this way, and I have to give pharmaceuticals credit for bringing it into the light. It wasn’t until my early 40s when a TV ad came on for Paxil that I realized: that was me, at least, my affliction — one that had kept me a prisoner — locked away from any chance of expressing the real me. So that’s my own alternate lens on the issue of mental health and suffering. Yes, thank you Marianne: we do feel deeply and that doesn’t mean there’s something wrong with us (in fact, just the opposite). But medication can be its own kind of miracle, too. I think we need to honor both and truly mean it. Pure Heart, CJ

  131. linda yo

    This conversation is a HUGE BLESSINGS!! Thank you, Marie & Marianne, GBU!!

  132. Marie,

    This is the most beautiful episode you have ever hosted. I’ve been watching your show for years now and every single episode has been outstanding.

    But, I want to highlight this Marianne’s specific episode.

    Thank you!

  133. Thank you so much Marie and Marianne. We need to have conversations on this topic – many of them. So little is known in our culture about constructive ways to ‘be’ with our emotions, in ways that don’t perpetuate suffering, nor deny it. I have spent my entire life exploring the interior world of human beings – as a therapist and energy healer working with the most profound grief and suffering. I began the journey at 18 years old because of my own overwhelming depression, asking the question “What is the root cause, and solution, to the deepest human suffering”. After thirty years, I am finally writing the book that answers that question. It incorporates not only psychological understandings, but also illustrates the underlying dynamics in the mind/body field, and the dimension of the Soul. As Marianne says, our emotional healing and our spiritual growth are intimately intertwined, and we need to shift our value system as a society in a way that allows us the freedom to work with our emotions as a sacred and integral process.

  134. Lorna

    Thank you, for this inspiring interview/inner view.
    I believe we are mind body spirit and emotions and as such not expressing and acknowledging our grief or sadness is unwise. The more people express with words of love and allow each other to find ways to share and recognise, that we are souls having a human experience and to be kind to others and ourselves we can help overcome a world where greed and power take precedent.
    Sad things happen to good people and it’s great to hear that’s it’s ok to have these feelings, and to put these feelings on the alter to be resolved. Healing takes place when we have compassion and empathy and recognise this miracle that we are.
    With respect and love,

  135. Heidi

    That was so good! Can you share what page that prayer was on that Marianne ended with. That was absolutely beautiful!

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Heidi, I’m not sure what page, but I’ll see if I can find it for you! In the meantime, you can listen to the audio recording of it above (it’s downloadable for free through the image icon below the video).

      • Chelsea - Team Forleo

        Heidi! I got the page number for you — it’s on page 27 of Tears To Triumph!

  136. Marina

    Thank you Marie and Marianne.

    I have been asking myself, “What is the meaning of this pain? What is the lesson for me to understand?”

    When my father passed away, I didn’t understand the pain; it was so foreign to me. And, it all makes so much more comforting to know that Im exactly where I need to be, experiencing all these emotions and stages. I am healing, rising stronger and learning my tears carry many stories of this unconquerable soul.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I’m so sorry to hear your dad passed away, though I’m glad you’re on a path to healing. Your soul truly is unconquerable. <3

  137. This is such a beautiful discussion, and is truly needed in our world. In the face of depression and/or grief, we tend to not know what to do, and I think our culture tends to choose avoidance and silence sometimes, which doesn’t help. I so love this message of empowerment for all, and I think it may be the antithesis to propaganda from big pharmaceutical companies and the like, soothing our souls and leading to a stronger, more loving society. Connection and compassion will always be in demand, and will always change the world! Thank you Marie and Marianne <3 Much Love!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I love what you said: “connection and compassion will always be in demand.” SO true!

  138. Thank you, Marie, for this interview with Marianne. I do feel pain and sadness; I am one who has had depression on and off all of my life. I feel less alone after watching this. I am now a senior citizen and always wondered if it would get better. I have talent that I use to entertain audiences but I have let many opportunities pass me by out of anxiety. I have loved and lost; I grieve and I still have loved ones to concentrate on. With age also comes physical pain and that adds to depression. I want to feel that I can still enjoy life and make a difference and feel fulfillment.
    Listening to Marianne’s prayer was very meaningful. It is one I will say again.

  139. I am in no way, shape or form spiritual…. but I really enjoyed this talk. I like this woman. She is so sobering and earnest, and she is so right when she says that kind words at a time of loss are meaningful and important. When I lost a parent a few years ago, I felt so hurt by all the friends who were silent. Just a phone call to say, “I’m sorry for your loss” would have meant so much to me, and I pondered if they didn’t care or maybe were even intentionally trying to hurt me. But maybe they just didn’t know what to say?

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I’m really sorry to hear that, Tylean. Although I can’t speak to why your friends were silent when you needed them most, I know the loss of a parent is hard to heal from, so we’re thinking of you and sending healing wishes your way as you continue to heal from the loss.

  140. Angela

    Thank you so much for this thoughtful, powerful interview. Over the past several years, I’ve become more judgmental and critical not only of others, but also of myself. You and Marianne helped me remember who I used to be and provided a starting point to get back to that place. I will definitely pick up a copy of her new book and probably some others, too.
    Sending lots of love and gratitude.

  141. Samantha Taylor

    I loved the whole interview, one of the things that resonated with me the most was what Marianne said about it being OK to feel this way. I always believed that with certain things that I have experienced in life that “why wouldn’t I feel this way, it would be abnormal not to” (wouldn’t it?) At times though I have to admit, I did doubt my way of thinking as it wasn’t what most people believed to be true. So thank you Marianne for reinforcing/allowing me to feel this way as it’s what keeps me going day after day. I love your outlook/understanding surrounding this topic and the world.

  142. I really needed this. Starting to feel and believe that there’s something wrong with me because I’ve been so sad following losing my home in 2013, the breakup of my 30 year marriage in November 2015, the loss of my mother in April 2016, loss of my mother-in-law in May 2016 and hearing the news that a wonderful, warm hearted and truly delightful classmate passed away just yesterday. I don’t even recognize myself anymore. Lost confidence, lost my spark. Now I will allow myself as much time as I need to feel sad and grieve. Thank you!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I’m so sorry you’ve lost so much, especially in such a short amount of time, Sharon. I can’t imagine the pain you’re feeling, though I’m glad you’re giving yourself permission to feel the full spectrum of emotion so you can take important steps to healing. Sending love your way. <3

  143. My insight is this: Everything God and His son Jesus say in the Bible is right in the end.
    People tried to find all kinds of solutions by themselves but in the end they have to admit that God’s words are truth.

    • Iva

      I am not going to edit this! My mom passed away almost a month ago. I journeyed from Connecticut back home ( Uruguay, South America) last July and she got diagnosed with cancer a month after. I was dreaming about coming back home after 19 years, setting up neatly and peacefully, but deep in my heart I knew I was called to come back for something bigger, and much harder. The following months where filled with doctor’s visits, chemo treatments, family reunions, at the hospitals, two surgeries and all of a sudden intensive care unit, next… death, next cremation, next spreading her ashes by a beautiful tree. One life is over. And life keeps going. Family reunited, forcefully by this pain. Joy and peace at the same time. Bonding with my beautiful dad. Coming together and being vulnerable, healing. Not easy but real and raw. I am staying open, allowing the sadness to go through, yes doing some therapy, but also signed up for drawing lessons, dancing, moving to a new and beautiful apartment, connecting with beautiful people too and my yummy cat, Shima = Love. Pain is part of life and I am accepting it with an open heart. Learning so much these days…
      Always love the authentic conversations that you bring Dear Marie! Thank you from my heart. ( these talks should be translated to Spanish so this part of the world could access them )

      • Mandy - Team Forleo

        I’m so sorry for the loss of your sweet mom, Iva. It sounds like you’re taking some incredible and cathartic steps to heal, so we’re really proud of you for allowing yourself to feel and let your emotions guide your healing process.

  144. Rebecca Pickett

    Mahalo or thank you two angels of light in my period of darkness brought on by a need to transform myself to the person I am intended to be. The prayer touched my soul

  145. Iva

    I am not going to edit this! My mom passed away almost a month ago. I journeyed from Connecticut back home ( Uruguay, South America) last July and she got diagnosed with cancer a month after. I was dreaming about coming back home after 19 years, setting up neatly and peacefully, but deep in my heart I knew I was called to come back for something bigger, and much harder. The following months where filled with doctor’s visits, chemo treatments, family reunions, at the hospitals, two surgeries and all of a sudden intensive care unit, next… death, next cremation, next spreading her ashes by a beautiful tree. One life is over. And life keeps going. Family reunited, forcefully by this pain. Joy and peace at the same time. Bonding with my beautiful dad. Coming together and being vulnerable, healing. Not easy but real and raw. I am staying open, allowing the sadness to go through, yes doing some therapy, but also signed up for drawing lessons, dancing, moving to a new and beautiful apartment, connecting with beautiful people too and my yummy cat, Shima = Love. Pain is part of life and I am accepting it with an open heart. Learning so much these days…
    Always love the authentic conversations that you bring Dear Marie! Thank you from my heart. ( these talks should be translated to Spanish so this part of the world could access them )

  146. LOve Love Love Marianne from her very first book, I can remember where I was and what the sky was doing when I read it. changed my life and what I understand things now about pain and struggle that I did not then, But the very best nugget was this: “This is the part where you get to see who you REALLY are.” That is gold in a way you can never understand until you just let it be what it is. Love this episode and so thankful for both you great souls here now. We ARE soul sisters!

  147. Aina Osman

    Thank you so much for this Marie and Marianne. This has come at a perfect time for me. In retrospective of my life, there had been moments where I questioned why I have felt sad and continue to experience sadness and sufferings – left by my parents since I was a baby, lost of my only sibling, lost love, broken hearted, lost of my grand-aunt due to cancer, lost of job etc… in short so much lost yet I also have received so much abundance. In the past, I never dealt with my sadness well. I was asked to get out of sadness and toughen up. But sadness seems to reoccur in my life … Now I know spiritually I am tested and I have to surrender myself to God and forgive myself. It’s a time in my life now that I will learn myself more and expand my heart and my mind even more.
    Thank you again.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I’m really sorry to hear of the many losses you’ve experienced, Aina. We’re sending healing thoughts your way as you continue on your healing journey.

  148. Tina

    Thank you Marie & Marianne. This video are very open my mind again.
    I like the prayer that Marianne have shared about praying for surrender, forgiveness and guidance to have a life what God wants in our lives. I want to practice the prayer every day. Hope God will show me His way in my life.
    I also agree with her that love is all that matters, just be present, just be there, and love is a miracle. The new insight that blow my mind of her statement is “love is who you are”.
    I want to try more be present in my life, try to be there who needs me, appreciating every love action and try to become more loving each other.

    Thank you Marie & Marianne. God bless both of you and what you’re doing.

  149. Gregory

    Your are what you believe!
    So, if you believe that suffering and guilt is a ‘natural’ part of your life, you will forever pray for forgiveness. Furthermore, you will always unwittingly accept next round of suffering, which you’ve created by yourself, thanks to your very own beliefs…
    True happiness does not incorporate suffering or guilt.
    In fact, it exclusively incorporates the opposite.
    So, the only way to end your suffering is to change your belief system, which has created it in the first place.
    This is hard, though; because so many people are totally brainwashed since their early childhood by the religious beliefs of the kind which are offered by Judaism and Christianity.
    These kind of religious systems are the religions of total mind control, in which inducing acceptance of guilt and suffering is an absolutely indispensable tool.

    Happy introspection.

  150. Maureen

    I was so moved by Marianne’s comment about losing her sister… I also lost a sister… And yes, I wish that I had known her better … You are so right… Life is so short… And the only thing that really matters is love ?

  151. Rose

    Thanks for sharing this video, helpful words to get me through my situation etc. Btw where did you buy your gorgeous dress and who’s the designer? I REALLY want to buy a dress like that 🙂

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I’m so glad this episode was helpful, Rose! I’m not sure where the dress came from. Marie’s wonderful stylist picked it out (she does a fabulous job!).

  152. LA

    Thank you Marie and Marianne,
    This message is a message from above, so timely. I feel as though I’ve dimmed the light inside me due to holding on to past hurts etc… Forgiveness is important, I have to forgive myself as I forgive others and let God’s light back in. That’s when peace embraces my mindset and attitude towards life and others. The prayer was perfect ?

  153. Wow. This was truly moving. I tend to make my sadness wrong when it comes and fix it, fix it, fix it. As quickly as I can. This had me breathe with ease and know that it’s Ok. That there’s nothing wrong when I’m sad or down about my seemingly perfect life and that I just need to ride the wave and look for the message it brings.

    The part about showing up and being there for others also stuck with me. I have a teen going through some challenges and it resonated that all I have to do is show up and be there as she goes through these transformative years.

    Thank you to both of these goddesses, for what you bring to the world.

  154. This episode was so beautiful and empowering! I am so happy that she said that it’s normal to be sad even without a super special reason because so many aspects of our lives and world today are set upside down.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      So true, Milena. And I feel like we’re all heart-centered people here, so we’re particularly affected by tragedies in the world because we feel others’ pain and want so badly to ease suffering.

  155. Thank Marie and Marianne for this powerful and important message, last year I wrote a blog post about “the beauty in sadness” after so many people in my life talked themselves out of sadness or basically feeling anything other than what they believed to be “positive”, I for one have looked to my sadness or grief as clues to what is going on and what maybe needs my attention. I am a mother of two and my youngest a little boy of 4 told me someone told him not to cry because he was a “big boy” we had a conversation about this and we ended with him declaring “I have the right to feel my feelings and right now I am sad”. Bravo!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I’m so glad you had such an important conversation with your son! That’s a valuable lesson for him to learn, especially from a young age. I know he’ll be thankful as he gets older that you encouraged him to experience a full spectrum of emotion.

  156. Darlene

    Thank you. Such beautiful words.

  157. Roseanne Bottone

    When the student is ready… the teacher will appear! Things seem to be humming along nicely in my life, yet I’ve been feeling off-center and experiencing an undercurrent of sadness. I thought I should be grateful (I am) for my blessings and didn’t understand my own sense of discontentment. It never dawned on me that it wasn’t my own life that made me feel disquieted, but unsettling world events. This was a perfectly timed message for me. Now that I’ve identified the problem (with your beautiful insights), I can begin to process what I’m feeling and act accordingly in healthy and positive ways. I appreciate your generosity, Marie and Marianne – thank you for sharing your gifts!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I’m so glad Marianne’s wisdom came at just the right time! We’re sending lots of love your way as you’re processing all the feelings you need to process to heal.

  158. Lisa

    Love her wisdom and thanks for sharing….forgiving ourselves and allowing ourselves to move through the pain of suffering and loss.

  159. Kate

    Thank-you for reminding me that there is nothing wrong with me. x

  160. So good to hear someone addressing the ‘pathologisation’ of normal human emotion. It
    is something that I’ve noticed and discussed with friends. Somewhere along the way someone convinced us it’s not ok to be who we really are, but thank goodness that is now changing! Thank you for sharing Marie and Marianne xox.

  161. How marvelous and timely!

  162. What beauty, wisdom and breathtaking heart is expressed in this interview with Marianne. She is a rare and courageous woman, who should be president!
    What a gift she is to the world. I have always felt like I am a bit of a lone wolf, championing grief as not only necessary but part of the light, part of the miracle of life. In America it can sometimes be difficult to share our suffering, it’s a competitive culture and people are putting on their best faces but for a few close loved ones. We have become masters at ignoring our deeper nature. As Marianne so aptly describes, we live in a violent and sometimes frightening world (nuclear weapons, wars all over the planet and the exploitation of children) you can’t really be human without suffering. We are all in on this together, if one of us is homeless, then we are all homeless. That YOU Marie for bringing such powerful voices to all of us – for the awakening you inspire, at this precious and fragile time on this earth.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Thank you so much for sharing your beautiful insights, Carolyn! I think you’re so right that we can’t be human without suffering. It’s part of the human experience.

  163. Whitedove

    Timing ! Going through the shock of finding out my significant other thinks I am self centered, stupid and untrustworthy. I am none of the above and when I recover from the shock I will ask him what has caused him to feel this way. Doubt this relationship can continue since I do not feel it safe to speak or do anything as everything I say and do is wrong. I can easily keep quit/ speechless, spent my first 16 years virtually silent. Working and helping others I will not stop. Doing the best I can to take care of my animals and other responsibilities I will not stop. This too will pass, with something learned. Deep sadness felt. Thank you.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That sounds really tough, and I’m sorry to hear you’re in the midst of such a trying time. We’ve got our fingers crossed that things will get better soon and that whatever the outcome is, it’ll be the best thing for you. Sending love your way.

  164. Maria

    This was really wonderful. The part that just hit home was in talking about how the world is suffering. I have always prided myself on being a happy person but I have been going through a dark time for a couple of years now and for NO REASON. You’ve helped me realize that I am having this dark feeling about the world. I’ve tried to push it away because I feel helpless to do anything about it. I stay away from media that shows what is going on but on a spiritual level it’s impossible to deny. We are over-populated, we’ve let the corporations take over, there is so much suffering in the world, and I can just go on and on. I didn’t realize that it was bothering me on a deep level until this interview. So thank you Marie & Marianne for that realization – it is an eye-opener.

    Ps. Marianne, thank you for your enormous courage and all the work you put into the campaign – it was an incredible sacrifice on your part. I WAS sad when you didn’t win.

  165. Ms Tui

    Thank you both for this special episode. Most insightful gem: the sibling thing…

    I’m booking a flight to go and see my older sister who I love to be around but just never really make the time to go and visit.

    Maana ano hei tiaki…

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I’m so glad you booked a flight to see your sister! I bet she’ll be so thankful you made the time to spend time with her. Have a wonderful time!

  166. Nicolae

    “Free from desire,you realize the mystery.
    Caught in desire,you see only the manifestations.
    Yet mystery and manifestations arise from the same source.
    This source is called darkness.
    Darkness within darkness.
    The gateway to all understanding.” ~ Lao Tzu

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Wow! Ancient wisdom is right again. 🙂

  167. Cheryl Virgo

    Thanks so much for this interview Marie. I’ve been praying for a friend going through a dark night of the soul, and offering to pray for her. I’m sending her this email, with the beautiful prayer included. Your help and guidance is so appreciated.

  168. Maria Rosales

    Hi beautiful souls,

    You have touched many lives of other and myself included. Keep up the amazing work amazing souls.


  169. Boglárka

    What hit me was when Marianne said, that when you do not accept yourself to experience your own pain, you are just simlpy less sensitive to others(at 18.40). And I was searching for the reason of my numbness towards others for about a year now. And I have never had this numbness before. Ever. I got to the point where I just didn’t wanted to be there to others, I just had no energy for that…
    But now I see all the struggle that I have tried to run away from. A year ago I moved away from home, and I thought that it is going to be the life of my dreams. It is the life of my dreams, but it is still LIFE, so it is also very painful to be in this new situation and to build it with time.
    I will face my sadness, so that I can have energy to care about others again. Thank you!

  170. Goddess Rising

    1. That it is entirely okay, and even normal, that I have had challenges and even feel pain right now.

    2. That my sense or my hunch that I am feeling tender and that that ought to be respected, not rushed, hushed or rolled over — is real, valid and ought to be respected.

    3 That I don’t have to rush into anything to please anyone but myself. That beyond connection to my God / Universal source, I am my biggest priority.

    5. That deliberately nurturing and supporting my most tender self is absolutely valid and, in this world that has often temporarily lost its way, even essential. That “precious place” or space will not be created for me — it will be up to me to proactively create, protect and sustain.

    4. I am currently at the end of a very big and challenging year. I am only just now on the come-up. This video is helping me to make some decisions on how to best care for myself in the near and immediate future.

    Huge thank you to Marianne. Big big thanks. And another big thanks to Marie for putting this out into the world. It came *right* on time for me. Thank you!! 🙂 xx

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Yes, yes, yes! You got some wonderful and vital insights out of this episode. I’m so glad Marianne’s wisdom was so timely for you.

  171. Carine

    Thank you Marie and Marianne for this beautiful moment: insightful and caring.

  172. Sarah

    Thank you SO MUCH, Marianne and Marie, for explaining the idea of feeling depressed when we (in much of the western world) have so much. The weight of the unjustness and the ignorance and the cruelty can be so heavy, but with my job and my warm home and my loving relationship i’ve often felt guilty for not focussing on my gratitude for what i have. Thank you for illuminating our inter-connectedness and recognising the ‘ubuntu’ (i am, because we are) that permeates. Love and light to you both.xoxo

  173. Aakash

    Thank you……..
    From the i have learned that it is more important for us to be with the person who is in grieve or depression rather than telling them that we are with you…..

  174. Georgina

    What I loved was an idea I got while listening. I’m going to create something to be my “alter” like for example a piggy bank but call it my alter bank, and when I’m having a “moment” of grief, write it on a piece of paper and slip it in my alter bank. Therefore I accept that “moment” and just allow and know it’s in a safe place too, while I “get” through it.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s brilliant, Georgina!

  175. Caroline Greyvenstein

    o Wow!! Tears ran down my face! How inspirational. We all human and we allowed to go through ups and downs! God will never forsake you 🙂

  176. Maria – what an amazing interview – thank you. Marianne articulates our suffering and explains our need to feel and work through our grief and not avoid it beautifully. Grieving is hard work but ah can be so rewarding and expanding. How can I say that – been there, done it and wrote a book! It does help you become more in touch with who you are meant to be, grief shatters so you can rebuild yourself. It isn’t just about the death of a loved one, as Marianne says there are so many losses, job, divorce, relationships, miscarriage, pet loss – anything you truly love and have lost. Our collective Society is grieving so many losses right now. Our feelings will teach us and lead us through if we allow them in. Karla McLaren in her book The Language of Emotions talks about Depression as a beautiful Stop sign sent by the soul. To stop and reexamine what isn’t working. Time to listen to our inner guidance. My heart and prayers are certainly, this week with the families and community of Orlando, it is so heartwarming to see communities all over holding vigils, (yes evening in Canada) – reaching out with collective hearts to love and support those who lost their loved ones. May something meaningful and enduring come out of this chaos. The prayer was truly beautifully and brought tears to my eyes as well. Thank you for all you both do to bring awareness to such a needed subject.

  177. The most powerful video I’ve watched from you so far Marie. Marianne’s wisdom has touched me deeply. I love you and I deeply honor you for the work you both have done in this world. God bless you. ❤️

  178. Cathy B

    I really needed to watch this! I’m embarrassed to say this, but I haven’t watched a MarieTV video in forever yet, I felt compelled to put this video . This is such a beautiful message! It gives me the permission to be sad or upset and not freak out that I’m not happy. I absolutely love Marianne Williamson! Thank you for bringing this message to the world. It’s very much needed ❤️

  179. Wonderful and timely insights. I agree with Marianne’s points that too many people feel that life should always be comfortable and perfect and think there is something “wrong” with them when they feel sadness. That misguided thought can definitely lead to depression because life simply is not that way. If we embrace and learn from life’s challenges, they take on a completely different meaning and force in our lives. Thank you, Marianne and Marie 🙂

  180. Floyd

    Thank you, This interview reminds me that many of the things we go through in our lives, that bring shame to us are the very things that are to be used to rescue others, people that are in the midst of right now, whom are seeking a way out. Often instead of turning around with an open hand we just want to run as far away as we can. It is amazing what joy is found when rescuing just one, the joy joy found in rescuing others is unbelievable! The healing found rescuing others is amazing!

  181. Permission to grieve. Understanding that my grieving is a path that will end as long as I walk it. Accept it. Such peace.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I’m so glad you’re finding peace in Marianne’s wisdom. We’re thinking of you as you embark on this healing journey.

  182. Thank you for this. It resonates with me for many reasons. First, the loss of my first born and son over 12 years ago. My personal choice was to go through the pain fully and do something positive to help others through my work. I feel by going through the devastating pain and steps of grief, I came out on the other end able to deal with and process with the loss. The same process helped me help my own mother when my brother tragically drown only a few years later on our family vacation. her comments to me were that (1) she had no idea of the devastation of the loss of a child & (2) that you can come out on the other end (although that may just be a new “normal” for you). Also the comments on how quick we are to diagnose also resonated with me. Recently my 10 year old son was diagnosed with ADD. My concern over the diagnosis being as simple as a questionnaire filled out by teachers and a short meeting with his doctor concerned me at the time. It never included a counseling session or any sort of other medical diagnosis process. If you read the questionnaire it could be true of ANY child that age (trouble sitting still, concentrating, completing multiple tasks, remembering steps, etc.). I seemed t be alone with the idea that medication was not a good route. I fought it for some time. So I caved and we tried it with the understanding I was going in skeptical. In the end, & for us, medication simply did not work. Not only was it concerning that most children will later develop addiction to both pharm and illegal drugs when they are started at such a young age (refer to the statistics), it also appeared that we were headed down the path of lifetime pharmaceuticals. Not to mention, goodness knows what physical issues would be caused later on from these drugs. I don’t argue that for some these may work wonders but in my gut they were not right for my child. After several rounds of the various types I was left with a child who was nauseated, rushed to the doctor due to racing heart rates, sick home from school on some days, could not eat, etc…. Oh, but he was clam and could concentrate in class although he was in a constant state of throwing up even on the lowest dosage of all we tried. But he was not longer like the boy I knew. So I removed him completely and you know what? He is doing fine learning other life skills of accepting who he is and working through ways to grow and adapt. Life skills. For so many years in corporate America I felt like a fish out of water trying to fit in when I knew it didn’t feel right. I would sit in a room and listen to everyone agree when I knew in my gut “this doesn’t sound right”. Now having my own company it is a breath of fresh air to accept and be who God planned me to be. Now we do what seems right for the situation and our customer…and yes, sometimes at our expense. The point to this is that we all bring our unique experiences to this thing called life. I agree we all experience tragedy, heart ache, lessons and yes our personality quirks. It is our choice to grow, learn, and apply ways to figure out “hey, what can I do with this?” Apologies for the long response but thank you, thank you, thank you for this interview. So appreciated.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Thank you so much for sharing your insight with us, Deanna! I’m really glad you trusted your inner wisdom and made the best decision for your child. Everyone is different and the same things don’t work for all who use them.

  183. CathyV

    Love how “embracing sadness” allows for depth of growth – a rite of passage, so to speak. Interview certainly afforded me a newfound awareness of Marianne’s wisdom. Thank You, both, for such an inspiring sharing.

  184. Eileen

    Marie, Thank you, thank you! Eileen

  185. Hi Marie,
    do you also feel like every sentence Marianne utters is a “nugget o’ wisdom”?
    I was drinking in her words!
    I will be listening to this interview several times and letting it sink in.
    Thank you again Marie, for sharing her with us.

  186. Nicole Hough

    Marie, I adore all of your videos, but this was the most beautiful thing I’ve seen (and greatly needed.) Thank you with love.

  187. Oliver

    The biggest lesson I am taking away from the video is “I am love”.
    After my father suffered an AIDS induced death I harbored a bitter rage and sadness each time I recalled he refused to publicly acknowledge his illness prior to passing. As a consequence many years of consciously experiencing life with him were lost to the AIDS stigma.
    Six years later a personal battle with Bells Palsy and an incomplete recovery left the left half of my face incongruous with the right. Unable to accept my new appearance each pass at a mirror became a moment to morn and each bite at a public meal became an exposition of a blinking, tearful eye.
    At 30 I was a waiter at a restaurant waiting tables to a class of thriving achievers.
    Unfulfilled, unsatisfied, and ashamed, I asked, “What can I do to change?”

  188. I have those credentials the naysayers are calling for: a PhD in clinical neuropsychology, a Masters in counseling psychology and a certificate in spiritual direction — and I wholeheartedly support what Marianne Williamson shared. Our society has taken normal, human experience and over-pathologized and over-medicated to where we are too numb to grow and learn and change. Years ago I suffered trauma through a divorce and stalking by my ex-husband. The PTSD I developed required a low dose of medication to help me focus on counseling and to re-order my life. After a year, my doctor and I agreed to discontinue the medication and I never needed it again. I had gained the tools I needed to cope with anxiety and depression. Recently I experienced the loss of my mobility due to a nerve disease (CRPS) brought on by surgery to my foot/ankle. I spent months feeling mildly depressed and continue to experience unrelenting pain. If I chose to, 18 months later, I could be taking an antidepressant or narcotic — numbed to my spiritual, emotional and physical pain. I am living with the pain and choosing to share my story through writing and speaking to encourage others that there is life after grief, fullness in spite of loss, hope after despair. There are conditions that require medication – but grief is not necessarily one of them.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Thank you SO much for sharing your story with us and for sharing it through your writing and speaking engagements. This is important for people to hear!

    • John

      Thanks for writing out your thoughts and your story. It helped me to read it.

    • Oliver

      Thanks for sharing your story.

  189. Jane

    While I thought some of her insights were good, she mostly seemed to focus on situational depression. Some of us have had depression for a very, very long time – not tied to a situation, just a very unpleasant, ongoing fact of life. Also, I thought her “argument” that depression isn’t biochemical because no blood or brain tests are done was weak considering she turned right around and said she wasn’t opposed to meds for certain conditions such as schizophrenia or bi-polar disorder. I don’t believe there are blood or brain tests for those, either.

  190. Sarah

    Mind blowing. There’s so much I’ve taken from this but my main insight was forgiveness.

    My action is two-fold:
    1. to forgive myself: for my failures (and learn from them), my judgement of others, and my times of indecision and paralysis; and for being emotionally sensitive, because it’s not a weakness but in fact one of my greatest strengths.
    2. to forgive the people I love, or who have hurt me, for the pain they have caused me. I continue to work through the pain and give it time to pass, rather than ignore or trivialise it.

    Thanks Marie and Marianne xxx

  191. Amy

    She speaks my language! Thank you for this interview.. I feel so inspired.. that prayer gave me chills and I am still wiping my tears. Love is everything, also has been always will be. <3

    • Amy

      *always not also 😉

  192. What I am taking from this interview is that everyone of us can make a difference in the world of somebody else. By TRULY giving ourselves in a conversation with a friend, as an example, both will learn to be more present to the “I”. together.

    The action taken as a result of this interview is that I wrote to a Canadian friend living in my adopted having a hard time as which direction to take at the moment.

    Thank you Marie and Marianne! Blessed you, all of us and myself are.

  193. John

    Thank you! I just made a mistake this week and I continue to alternate between to seeing how this “error” is a good thing and beating myself up for being stupid and creating sooooooo much more hassle in my life. Powerful conversation. I’m going to go grieve and not rush it. My intention is take care of myself with other things besides cake and bad movies.

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      John, thank you so much for your kind words. Taking time to process is so important, and we’re sending you our best as you’re going through these tough times.

  194. Vicky

    This was really beautiful and insightful. As an atheist, I felt a bit excluded from some parts and sentiments. But the overall message did shine through. Thank you.

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      I absolutely hear you, Vicky – I have no doubt we have a lot of people in our community who identify as atheist, so I know you’re not alone there.

      For me personally, I often replace the word “God” with “the Universe” or “my highest self” — or even just saying words out loud but not to any specific thing. I always personally believe that the deepest truths always transcend any specific religions or ideologies, and at our innermost core as humans, it all comes back to simply being willing to love.

  195. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE this. It takes courage to face suffering/failure/grief/anger. It’s painful alone to look within to discover our personal responsibility. In today’s world, there is so much that is sought externally. Top that off with stuffed down emotion projected outwardly to others and no wonder we’re an overly medicated, angry society. All the answers we could ever possibly need lie within each and every one of us. If only we would still ourselves long enough to recognize our own power and be the buffalo and face the “storm” head-on…we could come out of any situation better versions of ourselves. Find your own light and only then can you be a light for others.

  196. Azzy

    Thanks guys,
    I loved this episode too, what I think is amazing is..

    Just allowing your self to feel these emotions and praying for the strength to overcome difficult situations…
    makes you stronger and sensitive…

    Thanks again…

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Beautifully said, Azzy <3

      • Azzy

        🙂 xoxo

  197. Karen

    I love you both! I’m forwarding this email to my circle of friends as a MUST SEE! And it was an important reminder that love and compassion changes everything!

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Thank you so much, Karen! We so appreciate you sharing our episode this week and spreading love and compassion. xoxo

  198. Marie, Marianne,
    Thank You so much. I’ve seen yesterday the interview and this morning… It makes click .
    I understand now that my suffering only ends with myself . That the law of attraction attracts the similarities of how is my behavior with myself and with my own life.
    My happiness begins with me!
    Malika ( France)

  199. Biggest insight from this video: when life gets hard and I get sad to remember to pray. That God is with me in all things and that I do not have to go it alone. That a miracle is entirely possible when I give my burdens to Him. Thank you Marie for this amazing segment. Like you, I love Marianne Williamson!

  200. Natalie

    This was really beautiful and amazing. Going in I really didn’t think I needed to hear about dealing with grief (I’ve learned how to deal with the passing of loved ones and the loss of romantic relationships), but I watched because I still feel twinges of depression and despair in my soul. I am definitely one of those people who think, “Why do I feel depressed? I shouldn’t feel depressed.” …Especially because I pursue a relationship with God.

    Thank you for showing that it’s normal to feel pain over personal set back. I’ve been struggling with my finances for the past 3 years. I had a pretty good job with great pay that fell apart. I never really grieved that loss. I just keep pushing myself to be happy and look for the bright side. For the past 3 years, I have been grinding through just trying to get back to that place I was financially and keep growing, but I have failed over and over again. It does not feel good to have to borrow from family members when you are over 30.

    You have enlightened me. You showed me that I need to deal with this grief. I need to stare down the pain of failure, because, you’re right, it does keep biting me. But, you have also given me some hope that there is something to learn in the pain I feel.

    I now look forward to exploring the growth that comes from laying my financial failures and my pride on the altar. Thank you so very much. And, thank you for sharing that prayer!

  201. Alicia

    Let yourself feel your pain, we cannot move forward spiritually if we don’t address our pain. As someone who has been on anti depressants, I felt they helped me at the time I needed. I used them as a “crutch” to keep moving in my life after my mother passed from ovarian cancer a week before my 33rd birthday. For financial reasons I could not take time off work to grieve, I work with the public and I couldn’t talk about it or show my pain. I couldn’t sleep, I got pulled over for speeding twice because I was not and could not pay attention. I would wake up in night sweats and panic attacks in the middle of the night. So for these reasons, I took them and I’m glad I did.
    I don’t feel that she said they were not okay nor was I offended. I used them for a short time to get me through the pain and understood that’s what they were for. I decided to come off them when I felt the time was right because I knew I needed to face this pain. I believe numbing your pain and never facing it was her whole point.
    Something she said that really stood out with me was when she had lost her sister, her pain and grief was focused on how she didn’t get to know her better not longer. I think that is powerful, I know in my heart I got to know my mother better. I was lucky to have the chance to correct not getting to really know my mother the way I wanted too and focus on spending as much quality time with her as I possibly could in her last years of life. I feel whole and healed and complete with that part. My grief now is focused on not getting to know her longer as I had a daughter attending her second day of kindergarten the day she passed and a son who was just starting his sophomore year in high school and being a motherless mother is painful and I will live with this pain for the rest of my life. I long for her because I just wish she could be here to share and create new experiences with me and my children.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Thank you so, SO much for sharing your heart with us, Alicia. I’m really sorry to hear your sweet mom passed away and that you’re struggling with being a motherless mother, though I am glad you got to spend a lot of quality time with her in her final days. I know you’re carrying her spirit and wisdom in your own role as a mother.

  202. Balsha86

    I was referred to this site and this video by my dear friend Diane Kolanovic. I’m going through the worst time in my life.
    I just came back from the States, 5 days ago. I’m gay and I left my partner over there. I came back to Montenegro (the Balkans). We were (still) legally married. We lived together for a year. Because of his past and bad habits he couldn’t break free from, I was literally forced to go back home. Now I’m here, but the pain is so intense I can’t handle it. I love him despite all horrible things I went through with him. He reached out to me again. He says he loves me and this decision of mine to go back home has made us stronger. We started skyping and made a plan for him to come over here and meet me here but, since he can’t stay in Europe for more than 90 days, we agreed that I should apply for Canadian visa (find a job in the meantime, that’s No.1) and then move together over there so that we can finally be together with a clean slate. I can’t go back to the States because I was in the process of naturalization, so I wasn’t allowed to leave the country and I overstayed my visa. However, due to our horrible fights and arguments, infidelity , mistrust and so many other problems, I left. Now I can’t stop thinking about him and everything we went through. It’s so hard for me to trust him again and believe that he can actually make this happen. I instantly regretted this decision to leave him, but also, it had to be made. It had become really bad between us.
    Now, I’m here all alone in a homophobic country without a job and heartbroken. I’ve hit the rock bottom and my whole world has fallen apart. I just want to be with him again. I’m also afraid that it might take quite some time for him to come over here, provided he came. Looking at this from another angle, this is going to be a true test for him where he can prove himself he’s worthy of my love and our marriage. If he comes, that means, he’s changed and willing to save our love and marriage. If not, well, it’s obvious then and I will definitely have to move on. Again, it’s really hard for me to trust him because he’s been lying to me a lot and manipulating me, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. Each and every day is like a living hell for me because I know he’s too far away but I have to live with that until we meet again.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I’m so, so sorry for the extreme pain and heartache you’re feeling right now. Please know that our hearts go out to you and everyone in the LGBTQIA community during this difficult time. I hope things will get worked out so you can be with your husband again soon—I can’t imagine the anguish you’re feeling at being separated.

      I know I speak for our whole team and all of the MarieTV community when I say we’re sending lots of love your way. You’re always welcome here. <3

  203. Marie

    Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and insights!
    I really resonated with the topic that if we allow ourself to feel the sadness, it gonna end at some point. And that the loss of a loved one can be an expanding experience for soul and heart really touched me. I remember myself thinking a few weeks ago whats wrong with me, why am I not suffering anymore when everyone else still is? (My grandpa passed away suddenly) And now I realize I was just learning that lesson, not to waste time anymore. Life can be over so fast in just a second. So, have as much as good moments with your loved ones as possible. Share your deepest thoughts, share your ideas, wishes, compliments, be empowering.
    I was thinking about, what would happen if I die suddenly? And I realized, as long as I exactly life the life I want to live and follow my inner wisdom, I make it for me and my loved ones as easy as possible to get over it at one point.
    When I thought, well, my grandpa really made his wishes come true, I calmed down instantly. Everything happened exactly as he wanted to.

    So if I can turn it into a goal to live the live I imagine I simultaneously am not afraid to die anymore. And I know my loved ones will remember me as the best me I have been.

    “The moment I stopped living has been the moment I started to be afraid to die” – don’t know if its the right grammar, I am german actually but I hope the message gets trough.
    Maybe someone can correct that ;D

    Thank you so much Marie and Marianne to spread love and light.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      What a powerful quote! Fear of death does come when we stop living because when we’re living we’re too busy focusing on that. Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us. 🙂

  204. Sunn J. Benna

    In Netherland we having a saying “He’s such a bully but has such a tiny little heart”, meaning he looks, acts like a bully but he in the core of his being so kind and loving. I hear that people (mostly women) saying frequently and gets more and more irritated a bit. Marianne asked the question “Aren’t we all in our core being that loving people”. A good approach to others and for peace. Next time some says the above, I will friendly ask that question in some way.
    The item about being happy because others suffer also was excellent explained why that’s a strange habit. It bothered me a lot and Marianne has put it in such clear words. Thank you.

  205. Valerie

    Where do I begin?!? THIS episode of MarieTV was amazing. “Being more sensitive to our OWN pain, makes us more sensitive to others…” Marianne and Marie – you are both an inspiration to me. I AM SO TOUCHED by this , real and heartfelt interview.

  206. Anik

    thank you for this timely, very inspiring video. I am going through a difficult time and healing is much slower than I would have liked. Thank you for this new perspective, that I am to learn from this pain and not wish it away ASAP. I will listen and learn from this pain instead of beating myself up for not having healed yet. And trust that it shall pass. The final prayer resonated strongly with me. Thank you ! Thank you!
    many blessings to you both!

  207. Candice

    As someone grieving over the loss of a husband I can tell you she hit the nail on the head. Our culture currently does a poor job in educating people on how to deal with grief and death. I hope her book sparks a real shift so that we can really help each other and ourselves in our saddest times.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I’m so sorry to hear of your husband’s passing. I hope you’ve got a great community of people around you for support during this challenging time. We’re sending positive thoughts your way.

  208. I always tell my clients “tears are welcome; if you can’t cry in a counselling session, where can you cry?” But I still find a majority of clients still apologizing for their tears. Indeed a common theme I talk about with clients is that we don’t live in a society that recognizes the value of tears. Even people who’ve lost a loved one in the past year think there is something wrong with them for “breaking down” and crying. “I’m a wreck. I’m falling apart” are phrases I hear often. Whether it is the loss of a loved one, the loss of a job or loss of our identity due to an illness or injury or relationship; our pain is denied by messages like “hurry up and get over it or its not that bad.” I believe it is well intentioned people that don’t want to see us suffer. But in their effort to make us feel better, we can often feel worse. If you cry whether it is at home alone, in the car, at work or in the grocery store, it is because your body and soul needs to. When we deny our pain, it tends to take on a life of its own.
    I think about young people today and how sad it is to see so many teens and young adults struggling with self-harming behaviours. I remember feeling immense waves of sadness during my teen years but thankfully I had journaling and my tears to help me move through and past this pain. To feel is to be human. Perhaps if we encouraged and modeled an open expression of our most vulnerable feelings, less young people would feel overwhelmed to the point of needing to injure themselves.
    By allowing our tears, we can help protect ourselves from irritability and anxiety. As we move through the pain we can come to a deeper awareness about what we need to take care of ourselves and get through these difficult times. Remember, if the tears flow, it is because they need to.
    Another area where tears can transform us is with regards to how we relate to ourselves. I’ve come to discover that showing kindness and compassion to ourselves is one of the hardest things I can ask of my clients. Going back and grieving the origins of this critical relationship to self can put you on a journey to healing and hope as you forgive the child within. These healing tears are cleansing and often represent a sense of relief and “rebirth”.
    Essentially I believe we need to recognize and embrace the transforming power of all our feelings, especially sadness. There’s no getting around it, we’ve got to go through it and feel it to heal it.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Oh my gosh, you’re exactly right. Society has given shamed people for tears for so long that it’s hard not to cry without apologizing for doing so. Thank you for allowing your patients to cry freely and get out the pain they so need to process. I hope everyone will learn from your wisdom and feel free to cry when they need to.

  209. Thank you Marie for interviewing your friend Marianne and Marianne for your experiential wisdom. This was just the medicinal spiritual food I needed right now.

  210. Leigh Schlemmer

    Marie & Marianne,
    I’m an aspiring depression coach–I can’t tell you how inspiring this was for me personally and for my future life coaching business! It has added a new dimension to my own healing, and I’m excited to share what I’ve learned in this video with my future clients. Thank you for this insight–you are both WOW-Women in my book ?

  211. Sandra

    Wow. Great interview, Marie with Marianne Williamson. I got alot out of this. What I got the most was that we are here for a short period in physical form so just LOVE. LOVE is what it’s all about.

  212. Susan

    Wow! Just WOW! I have shared this on my facebook and I am still just blown away. Marianne you rock my world. Anytime I read one of your books or facebook posts a sense of peace and connection runs through me. Thank YOU!

  213. This interview is amazing, so many suffer unnecessarily by limiting their mindsets about their situations and then seek medication. Pain is transformative. Feel it, acknowledge it and learn from it. We are meant to fall down because we need to stand back up.
    Sandy B

  214. Last year I was feeling depressed and I didn’t know why. I was doing well financially, I had a healthy, happy child, and I was in a committed, loving relationship. I kept trying different things to snap out of it. Meditation, parasite cleansing, vitamins, hiring a personal trainer to keep me in the gym, clearing out clutter and organizing, etc. I was working with a life coach and doing visualization exercises. Finally I realized my environment might have been the trigger. We were living in an investment property that we bought to fix up and then rent out. We were in the process of moving into another place that we were going to do the same. I changed directions and decided to rent my dream home which is a beach front condo with amenities and walking distance to all conveniences. Then we rented out both places. By changing my environment (home), it really made a huge difference. I know this won’t relate to everyone but hope to encourage someone that can relate.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      It’s wonderful that changing your environment helped! Environment can play a big role in our emotions, so I hope your story will inspire others to move to a place where they feel like their best selves.

    • Lorrie B

      I think you bring up an excellent insight, Grace. Even with all the prerequisites of happiness as defined by society, we can find ourselves feeling out of place. I know that a different environment (right now I’m living near my aging parents, and nowhere near my goal of an oceanside squat in a village of creative people) will bring a different framework for my emotions. It can very much be about your environment! And we have to be willing to make change happen, not stay steeped in our sadness.

  215. Monique

    It’s all about balance. Feel the pain, but don’t live there. Be transformed and move forward.

  216. Elisabeth Isabelle

    Dear Marie
    I’m from Belgium and I feel a lot of greef. A lot of painful situations in my country and in my personal live. It’s like no one really want to talk about it. My father died last year and I really felt the need to wear black clothes like my grandparents did. I didn’t.
    And, I never saw and felt so much love in my live in the days before he died. It opened my eyes. It was wonderful. So, we really need to go back to the core business of life; gps location: our hart. Listening to Marianne, I wrote down: ‘Allow your grief’ ‘Grief is a sign of love’ ‘You’re sad because you’re human’. Thanks!

  217. Maqbool Hussain

    It was a really good conversation, All we need is to keep caring for every single creature in this world because this world had been created not for the human beings only but all the things living or non-living. So we should treat every thing according to it’s merit.

  218. Marissa

    Thank you <3

  219. Carol Savage

    What I learned from Marianne’s talk is to address my sadness instead of hiding from it. I intend to address my feelings by getting quiet and journaling about the feelings that arise. In the past, I have avoided my pain by setting huge goals so that I am too busy to feel. And at the end of the day, I would drown my feelings in alcohol. Well, those days are over, and I am going to be kind and loving to myself. Thanks for the inspiration!

  220. Cassandra

    Wow, this is the best video I’ve seen in a long time. I lost my mother when I was 10 years old from AIDS & I just outlived her when I turned 32 last year – she died when she was 31. I’ve only began dealing with the grief – I was so young when it happened & I’m still unsure how I got through it. I’ve had issues with depression & addiction in my adulthood & therapy plus new spiritual practices have been a great help. I’m definitely going to look into this book – thank you for your knowledge. I’m already transformed by it. I feel better knowing the dark nights of my soul are normal & they aren’t the end… there’s hope.

  221. I sincerely hope that Marianne will run again for Congress or better yet, for President! We need her spirit! Thank you for this episode. My biggest take away was reflecting on my relationship with my sister and my Parents, hearing Marianne say that your not on center stage after they die- was a revelation to me. Thank you I will do better not to take them for granted.

  222. Ula

    Thank you so much for this episode. I am in tears. I would love to find acceptance for my sensitivity and frequent sadness. Working on it for 36 years of my life. It’s not easy but gets lighter with time. Thank you for your amazing work, always. Much love to all of you.

  223. Some beautiful nuggets here. Thank you.

  224. Thank you so much for this, it has helped me understand how to be more compassionate with my own sorrow and pain … and to allow the sadness to lead to the love that heals.

  225. Veronique

    Thank you for this episode full of truth and life. I was touched by the reminder that love is what we need and are. I have a hunger for a while to spend more time (and money as most of them are not near) on relationships with my family and this episode is an encouragement to do so. Put what really matters first.

  226. Thank you sooo much for this video! I just lost my grandfather two months ago and am still grieving. Thank you for reminding us that it is normal to grieve and be sad and feel! We are all humans annd connected . thank you for reminding me to spend time with people i love and nurture relationships vs. Being too busy. Xox

  227. I’ve become a widow at the age of 27 years old when the love of my life was on a work trip, took a nap and never woke up. It was the most devastating thing in me and my children’s life. It has been four years since his death, and my goal in life is turning my grief into a gift to share with others to overcome the challenges and grief they face in life. This interview just came at a perfect time. Thank you Marie and Marianne Williamson for an amazing interview.

  228. Pia

    Marianne & Marie

    I cannot quantify how much I was sledge-hammered by this conversation. At 21:58 I broke down. Completely.
    A lifetime of being told that there IS something wrong with me (too sensitive, no resilience, clinically depressed, having ‘Creative-Hopelessness’) has beaten me down SO badly that I have been on anti-depressants for nearly two decades.

    Although I know the physical/chemical/medical issues of CD only too well, I have always questioned why a seemingly intelligence and incredibly empathetic woman can’t navigate Life . . . . without feeling depressed.

    Now I know that to expect that I COULD navigate life without being depressed isn’t the issue – it’s acknowledging that I SHOULD be depressed/ in pain/hurting. It would be abnormal not to be.

    I have worked SO HARD to educate and empower and arm myself, against my depression and have read and investigated and watched and immersed myself in so many forms of therapy, learning & knowledge about CD . . . . now I realise I need to just accept it and build a Life that includes it.

    Marie – thank you for all that you have given me over the years, but this particular MT episode has been so profound.
    Marianne – thank you for being the voice and intelligence that my current society has been unable to give me. You have empowered a woman on the other side of the world!

    • Giovanna

      Sending you big hugs, Pia. Can’t imagine your struggles, but am inspired by the revelation you had with this episode. Never too late to get the message that was intended to be received, when you were ready and open to receive. Thank you for sharing your story. xoxo

  229. Giovanna

    Hi Marie and Marianne,
    That was just beautiful! I am one who expresses every emotion and found grief for any loss is the hardest to deal with. Whether it’s the death of a loved one or the end of a friendship or relationship, it’s devastating and difficult to work through the range of emotions. There is never enough talk amongst people when a sad event occurs as many people feel they need to distract you or avoid bringing the topic up. I love what you had to say about this, as all we ever want is to feel people are there for you and allowing you to grieve. So much has been said about staying positive through everything that we may be pushing away the sadness too soon. More talk, more sharing is needed. We need to have our feelings validated, we need to allow ourselves the time to feel those emotions so we can move forward. The other thing that resonated with me is the rush to medicate any sadness, instead of feeling those emotions as normal and working through the problems to gather proper tools to use going forward. Currently working through this debate with my daughter who is suffering with depression and feels differently than I do about this. Absolutely loved the final prayer! Had me in tears <3 Much love and blessings to you both xoxo

  230. This was epicly divine, one could listen to this many times to truly digest the truth and beauty of this incredibly sincere offering. My heart is gratefully blown open. Thank you.

  231. Karen J

    Blessings to us all. Thank you.

  232. The single biggest insight I’m taking away from the interview:
    What Marianne doesn’t explicitly say in the interview, but what seems to be the central, beautiful message of the book, is that sadness is a healthy and necessary response to some situations.

  233. Kelly

    Let me get this out of the way quickly: The number one cause of suicide is untreated depression.

    Please be very cautious when advocating against, discussing, or otherwise implicating psychiatric interventions for mental illness if you are not a mental health professional, or someone qualified and trained to determine the difference between episodic or circumstantial sadness and the chemical imbalances that are responsible for 90% of suicides. I am disheartened to see two non-mental health professionals attempting to compare spirituality with psychiatric treatment. The diagnostic criteria for Major Depression or Bipolar Disorder is NOT a questionnaire. This is dangerously misleading and upsetting.

    I’ve suffered from Bipolar II Disorder since puberty, and I have also suffered through countless attempts by well-meaning people to normalize, sympathize with, co-opt, and, ultimately, discount my experience of mental illness. To have treatment-resistant Bipolar depression and to also encounter endless attempts like this one to undermine what I experience, compounds an already challenging and alienating experience of chronic illness. I do not understand why individuals who do not suffer from depression are so willing to claim that they do, or why it is suggested that I should be capable of heroically lifting myself out of a life-long and life-threatening disorder on the power of my own will with exercise / diet / meditation / spirituality.

    Please, please know that while everyone suffers sadness and loss, not everyone experiences depression, not in a clinical sense. To suggest otherwise is to introduce a dangerous reaction to legitimate mental illness at the precise moment that we need funding for research, destigmatization, and more widespread acceptance, not widespread conflation of sadness with debilitating disease.

    Behavioral and spiritual interventions are quite helpful in episodic, circumstantial cases of anxiety and depression. In clinical depression, Bipolar Disorder, and other mood disorders, clinically supervised alternative therapies administered by professionals can help manage symptoms, but nothing cures this, and I am so tired of being told that spirituality will.

    Marie, I profoundly applaud your willingness to even mention mental illness on your show, but I beg you to reconsider this pseudo-scientific treatment of it. From the bottom of my heart, please investigate your motivations, which I believe are well-meaning, and consider inviting a mental health professional to your show to speak.

  234. Tas

    Is there any chance this great interview and others could include closed captions for the hearing impaired please? Thanks.

  235. Thank you so much for bringing awareness to my tears. I lost my sister 3 years ago and my job, which caused me to re-evaluate every fiber of my life. This message is like a balm to my soul to know that others have experienced simuliar circumstances. I will get the book by Marianne and thank you for this gift to finally reset life by beginning to live again.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Lydia, we’re honored by your words, and to be able to help you during such a tough time in your life. It sounds like you’re really examining everything and looking at life with new eyes. We’re sending you massive support in your efforts to reset and hope Marianne’s book is just the guide you need.

      Thank you for being here with us.

  236. Thanks for doing what you do Marie. Awesome interview 🙂

  237. I heard the complete interview and with that prayer I dropped tears too. I thought I wouldn’t, because English is not my first lenguage, but I did (that demostrates that I’m human, I have identified myself with the author and that my English is getting better! ). I had a very painful experience with my mother’s dead because a cancer that went through 6 years, and the last year was honestly terrorific. It’s been almost 3 years since she passed away and I’m treated for depression, that started lately with anxiety. But at the first year I knew I had to suffer, I knew that I had to do what I wanted to, that was, at that time, grief and prepare my student’s play for the end of the year. Now, I understand a lot of the things that happened, I know I have grown and I know that my spiritual searching would not have been so deep and so inspiring and amazing as it is because of that painful experience. As I write this I figure out one more thing: the pain my mother had to go through made ME wiser. Made ME more sensitive to other’s pain. And I know it made her wiser on the other side because she had forgiven me for all that I’ve done in my young years. Thank you, Marie, for this marvellous interview. And thanks to Kyle Gray for showing us you, to those who did not know you. Blessings, and love, Angelica.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Angelica, thank you so much for sharing this. We’re grateful you found us through Kyle, and it means the world to us to hear how this interview resonated with you.

  238. Lena

    I loved: “are you giving all
    You have”

  239. Cindy Ayap

    Hi Marie & Marianne!

    Thanks for this episode. I’m 31 and grew up in a family where sensitivity has been tagged as a weakness because I “feel more deeply.” I have been resented by my own family members for this personality but for years of journeying inwardly, I am not guilty anymore for honoring my feelings. I love it when I get to express my emotions – when I am sad, I acknowledge that I am sad. My family praises the attitude of being poker-faced, callous and insensitive because to them these represent strength. However, I do not see it that way. All these years I felt guilty and persecuted for the wrong reasons and spent unnecessary energy on their approval. Finally, after 31 years, I am now free.

  240. Kristi

    Thank you, thank you! This was exactly what I needed this morning, Marie! I have been seriously overwhelmed in my life due to a breakup and move the last 3 weeks. I cannot stop crying and feeling sad. {I was the one who broke the 5 year relationship off} What a relief to hear that grieving is ok and prescriptions aren’t always the answer. I hate this, however, I know there is a lesson in all of this turbulence. Blessings to Marianne and Marie for sharing. Hugs!!

  241. Julie

    Wow! THat was so powerful. I just love the authenticity with which you and Marriane share. My heart was warmed and my spirit was so touched. Thank you…thank you!! It was refreshingly real.

  242. Julie

    I forgot to answer the question…..what I took away from the sharing. I was criticized since a young child for being too sensitive. My husband continued to tell me this over the years. Recently, turning 60 I decided to honor my sensitivity. My sensitivity has served me well over the years. When I heard Marriane say…”Everyone is deeply sensitive”! YES! I have always believed this to be true in my core. It was such validation to hear someone whose body of work I love and inspires. With so much gratitude for the positive influence and work you both bring. I would love to be able to do the same in my creativity. To bring a message to heal so much global pain in the young men especially who are acting out their pain to hurt innocent people.

  243. An interview for the world… Wonderful. That prayer at the end is truly epic. Thank you Marie & Marianne xx

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Thank you so very much, Sara.

  244. Lorrie Be

    Timely and succinct, beautifully expressed. I’m steeped in sadness while caregiving for my parents, both with dementia. Buddhism has taught me to stop and be with my pain, see it for what it is, and (more importantly) what it isn’t. I’m an addict dealing with anxiety and I’m quick to reach for easy solutions, and have suffered more because of my experiments self-medicating with alcohol and drugs. Prescription drugs are no different, they are just more regulated. Personally, I dislike the word “illness” attached to “mental.” The brain is either balanced or it’s not; we should be seeking balance, not “wellness”, which is highly interpretive and already over-used as a concept.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Lorrie, thank you for your kind words. It sounds like you have an immense amount on your plate in care-giving for both of your parents, while having such thoughtfulness and consciousness. That’s an amazing thing you’re doing, and we’re grateful to hear you’ve found some tools to help in Buddhism.

      Thank you for sharing.

  245. Christina

    I always enjoy your videos. Marie dahhhhling, you’re my go to button whenever I have a few sneaky moments for me. I don’t normally comment because it’s all so good and you’re up to your ears in compliments. I really related to Marianne sooooooo much. However, I am not a believer in God. This last prayer just turned me off. Just like the pharmaceutical industry, religions bank so much of our money too and could easily stop world hunger… but they don’t. You 2 are such clever and inspiring and loving gals. I find it such an odd concept to give so much credit to a god when some of us make such a lot of effort to continue to grow, add value to the world etc. I hope there are some non-god light ‘prayers’ to the universe or to some simple energetic goodism.

  246. Lybelle

    Watching this I could feel how My Heart healed a Little bit.
    Im currently Alone at Home with a Little Baby and a lot of unresolved Feelings Are Coming Up After giving birth.
    Im also grieving The end of The relathship with The Babys father and Started To Beat myself Up for all The Mistakes i made that produced The Break Up.
    But seeing this i could feel My Spirit Lifting Up again.
    Thank You!

  247. AMS

    Amazing episode. Closing prayer was so amazing!

    This was a new side to you Marie and appreciated how you did this interview.

    PLEASE bring Maryann back!

  248. I find this video very useful, as well as the comments. Someone in my family has serious mental illness and another in my family has serious denial about how “easily diagnosable and treatable mental illness” is. I have a tendency to feel other’s pain, and I feel the pain of both the people I just described, as well as my own dark nights of the soul which have been cyclical. I have experienced my own sadness and empathy amplified by menopause and thyroid disorder and I am aware that I am responsible to reach out for help for these issues. I have also experienced lack of empathy in my family and the “sweep it under the rugs” for anything hard to experience – and that can hit my “rally for justice” buttons into full throttle. I believe we all have a core need to be seen and heard, at least, if not understood and loved unconditionally. I think what makes Team Marie different than other such business support systems/programs is that Marie Forleo has tremendous empathy for the “pain of the world” and is able to leverage that empathy to inspire more of us to do good. In so doing, theirs is a more holistic program and a gift in these troubling times. It is also tremendous to offer so much content and a forum for discussion for free. Team Forleo, your work is much appreciated. Thank you.

  249. Alexandra Collas

    Wow! Transformed by this. Thank you!

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      We’re honored to hear that, and you’re SO welcome.

  250. Dusty McMurray

    This discussion struck me to my core. My mother took her own life when I was 5 years old. I grew up, married a fabulous man in 1994, and I couldn’t have imagined it to get so good as my life ended up unfolding. But here’s the thing: My best friend passed away last month after years of battling several cancers. She was my maid of honor at our wedding 22 years ago, her husband has been my husband’s best friend for 30+ years, and they have been in a band together for 30 years. Kerry and I did everything together – bookstores, nurseries, walking walking walking everywhere all the time, birding, making art, enjoying galleries and buying art, dancing dancing dancing, enjoying each other’s company as a foursome, for years and years and years and years. She didn’t suffer fools, we both loved to read and talk about it. We love animals and gardens and we danced for decades to our husband’s band at gigs. And now, Kerry’s gone. Sadness washes over me like Marianne’s dark cloudstorm on a regular basis. And being with her at home until her last breath was all about her, like you were saying. But now it’s just freakin’ sad and the sadness rises in torrents unexpectedly. It’s all understandable, I know. It’s normal behavior/reaction/response to a deep loss. But the most striking part about your talk and my experience with Kerry . . . the thing that makes it one of the most intimate experiences of my life, is that I know on some level I helped her have a good death. As comfortable as possible, she wanted only for me to show her beauty and to make her laugh . . . It was extraordinary. I still cry and I’ll probably cry for along time. So does Ian, my sweet husband, and Paul, her sweet husband. But we all did our very best in helping her through it over the years. None of us looked away. I took her to her chemo dates every single Friday for years and years, and I’d rather have spent my vacation time doing that than going on a vacation. I’m glad I did that. She’s gone now, and being with her was the best gift I could have ever given her. Thank you for your beautiful discussion. More please. You are both stellar women and I am grateful to the core of my being for the work you both do.

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Dusty, your note touched me on such a deep level. I’m so sorry for your loss of your beautiful friend, and please accept our sincerest condolences. The time we spend with those we love the most is indeed so precious, and we’re sending so much love to you.

  251. Anita

    Wow, LOVE is all that matters……so true. Thank you so much. God bless you two xx

  252. Marianne, truly she has a God given talent and her strength is her passion for human beings God bless her. Her gift is special and I love the correlations she made about spirituality and life. Maria asks such great questions, and the interview was so uplifting and strengthening for my spirit God bless her too. Thank you two for sharing such great insight to life’s sometimes crazy journey. This I do believe is true, our strengths come from our valley experiences. Such experiences lead us to be compassionate to those of similar situations. We are made for each other, to Love and to be. God is Love. We must be of L O V E.

  253. GThomas

    I have shared this on facebook and strongly recommend that people listen to this. Whether you are grieving, have grieved or never grieved (doubt the last one is true but some don’t), listening to this will not only help in your own life but also in the lives of others. My brother died in 2011 and I was on anti-depressants for three years. Only once I started ‘working through the pain’ was I then able to stop the anti-depressants. May this book and Marianne’s words reach far and wide.

  254. Makeba Waller

    This was such an amazing video….there was so much meat. I’m so full I can burst. It will take me a while to process everything. Love is a powerful thing. I thank God for allowing this woman to speak so boldly on depression.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Makeba, we’re honored by your incredible words and so grateful you’re filled up from this episode.

  255. I was looking forward to seeing Marianne on your show, Marie!

    Having recently gone through the loss of my beloved grandmother, I know the lessons the painful grief can bring. It feels like, later with hindsight, these experiences were there to prove to ourselves how resilient one can be.

    Thank you for sharing this with the world!

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      What a beautiful share, Adelina — thank you.

  256. Hi Marie!
    I would like to send this interview to my mother but she doesn’t speak or understand English. I’m wondering if it would be possible to get a French translation. 🙂
    Thanks for everything you do, say and teach!
    Have a good day,

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Charlotte, so glad you enjoyed this interview and we love that you’d like to share it with your mother! We actually upload the full transcript in English to YouTube so that viewers around the world can turn on captions in whatever language they choose.

      If you’d like you can share the link with your mother, and let her know she can turn on the captions within the YouTube player in French. It’s a little icon at the bottom of the YouTube player once you start the video.

      Feel free to reach out at infoATmarieforleoDOTcom if we can further help in any way!

  257. My biggest insight is the validity of my grief for the world. Instead of shying away from feeling that grief, I’m looking at it head on.

  258. Narges


    I watched your interview with Marianne, and it was really great and inspirational. Thank you so much. I agree with what she said about us feeling sad and depressed when we see what’s going on in the world. Hopefully you and all of us can bring more light to the world, step by step inspire others to be more understanding of others, and compassionate, so that we can all create a more loving, just, and peaceful world.

    Thank you 🙂

  259. Such a beautiful interview. The biggest insight… There are situations that are depressing, and these are part of life. In a way, hearing Marianne is bringing home the message I’ve been “patiently practicing”… to feel with the full breadth of feeling. My action from here is to keep on feeling and offering all situations I may need a new light to the alter to be altered.

  260. Tim Wright

    Absolutely beautiful. Thank you for everything you’re doing. Love this!

  261. georgina sudron

    lovely video words were spoken very well interesting content lovely prayer so true

  262. I went to watch this the other day but realized I wouldn’t have time to watch the entire thing. I am actually so happy I waited because since then I had one of my own clients reach out to me about her depression as well as personally finding out some sad news about a family member. This was perfect timing.
    I had the honor of meeting Marianne a few years ago at a conference and she is so incredibly passionate about what she is sharing. I agree with her 100%. I specifically work with women in their 20’s who are sensitive and struggling with anxiety and depression. I do this work because I have struggled myself and had been on an antidepressant from a young age. I know it can be different but society makes us feel that our emotions are not valid. That we need to numb our sadness and pain rather than feel them. I have been to too many funerals for young people because of suicide or drug overdose. This isn’t how it is supposed to be. Yes, life has pain and sadness but we need to learn that it’s okay to feel and share how we are feeling with others. The world can be so cold and harsh. We value material things and money more than our bodies and our loved ones. My mission is to get up every day and try to make a small difference in this area. I know I need to walk my talk just as Marianne does.
    I am so grateful for the time and ability to watch this powerful video. I am excited to have these words sum up exactly how I think about things today and to be able to share it with my clients, especially in their 20’s who keep trying to feel happy all of the time…
    I even wrote in my journal this morning that life is full of ups and downs but how would we appreciate the sun shine without the rain? When we turn our pain and darkness into compassion, the world will be a better place. Sensitive people are here to make a difference, not to hide and think they are weak. We need people who feel. We need people who love with all they got. We need people who stand up for their beliefs, even if they feel they will be judged or misunderstood. We need to come together and shine our light in a bigger way because right now the world is suffering.
    Thank you, thank you, thank you. Marie, you are making such a difference and making it easier for people like me to get out there with their passions and beliefs in life. xoxo.

  263. I loved it! I said this is being awoke, this is being conscious. I am now a fan!

  264. Joanne

    Hi Marie,
    Thankyou so very much for this interview. I’m in tears after watching this as it really spoke to my heart. Three years ago I suffered from four recurrent miscarriages and it was the worst part of my life I have ever experienced. Apart from the loss of a promise of a future with my child my grief was prolonged as no-one in my family or friends would let me grief in my own way. I was expected to “get over it” with each loss quickly and move on. This just invalidated my grief further. All I wanted was for someone to just be there and listen. I eventually found my way through my grief with an excellent spiritual coach to move past my emotional pain. I now even see my miscarriages as miracles to the growth of my soul. I never thought that would happen in a million years. Also Marianne is right you do suddenly become empathic to everyone around you who are suffering and know they just want you to be there for them. You don’t have to know what to say. I also wish grief was not swept under the carpet as it really isn’t healthy at all. I know this all too well.

    The action I am going to take is to start a grief coaching business to help other women through the grief of their miscarriages.

    Much love to you both Marie & Marianne – the prayer was beautiful

    Joanne xxx

  265. Olga

    I just closed my eyes and I heard your pray and cried….silently because I am not going through any of the big pains you numbered but still kind of sad for things that aren´t right but I can do very little about them…that is my action, I closed my eyes and really felt that pray…

    I hope to have the courage to change things and help others and be more aware of people’s suffering and be more suportive and more present..

  266. ibolya

    I have had a very tough life. And i was thinking it is a lesson . I needed the prescription of medicine but i always take as less as possible. It prefend me to do horrible things to myself, but when i little by little recover i wanted to feel the pain and my lessons. This is so powerful recognition of what i tell and feel and do. Thanks you so much. It made me feel i am on the right path.

  267. Beloved Marie and Marianne,

    Today, for reasons unknown, I found myself sad, lethargic, knowing there is work to do and still not knowing what to do next. I took to the internet seeking solice for my own sadness today I chose to visit and this beautiful heartfelt conversation was all the cure I needed.

    Marie, I specifically related to your sharing about how it is to feel sadness or depression when on the surface all is well, there is no tragic loss, there is so much to be grateful for. I was feeling that random cloud of sadness today. As I write and recall Marianne’s wisdom I can see how that cloud is actually pointing at something unresolved within me. An unanswered desire, an attachment to an outcome that I need to let go of. The work is for ME to do which is what is SO important about this new book and I am eager to dive into it.

    I employ a handful of beautiful and wonderful 20 somethings and as I see their struggles I recall my own at their age. Their were some seriously dark times then. Not knowing what I wanted and where I am heading (something that still comes up for me), hanging out at home in a bathrobe aimless for days, a crippling break-up that left me a jealous stalker at worst and a puddle on the floor at best. True sadness and ALL necessary. My self-awareness and my capacity for empathy grew 10 fold through those experiences. When a second gut wrenching break-up came I was better equipt. I allowed myself to lean into the pain knowing that there was no way around it. And all I want to do is share this with the sweet and beautiful women that I have the honor of employing. So much of what I see them label as anxiety and depression and all of the ways they attempt to medicate around it, well, blaaaaaaahhhh, in my heart of hearts I just want them to know that it will not last, that they are OK. That sadness is normal and necessary. That they will come out the other side proud of where they came from as they can find the capacity to be with it and move through it. Only love is real. We are love. Thank you Marianne for opening up a conversation that gives me some tools and guidance to share with those I love.

    Thank you Marie and Marianne for the work that you do. Love you both dearly and look forward to meeting you one day. I know I will.

    XO, Kristen

  268. Thank you for sharing that.


  269. This was such great insight to bring understanding to suffering. It’s easy to not allow yourself to “be ok” at times because you’re always supposed to be happy. I appreciate the dialogue around there being a spiritual world that is just as alive & active as the physical world we live in, and that our mental health can’t always be fixed by a pill, but rather an acceptance of our mortality, who God is, and that life never really ends. Thank you both for the amazing insight.


    OMG! I was listening to this at the office and I was literally trying to stop my tears with the final prayer. I agreed with everything said. I always felt empathy for others, but after been criticized as “depressed” or “crazy” I learned to build this wall of sarcastic bricks and painted with cynicism that now I’ve been criticized of been hard and cold. My mom’s passing was a lesson on how brief and unexpected life is. for the past 4 years I’ve been working on changing myself to be better for others and myself.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      We’re deeply humbled to hear that, Veronica. Thank you so much for watching.

  271. We have become so accustomed as a society to numbing ourselves from pain, that it disconnects us from what is really happening. It’s what we do with that pain and how we are in relation to it that matters. One of my mentors says that the prisons are filled with men who are raging because they haven’t been given permission to grieve and the therapists’ offices are filled with women who are grieving because they haven’t been given permission to rage. I imagine a generation who grow up with permission to feel all the feelings and the internal and external skills to make wise choices with that information. I think this is why so many of us in your community do the work that we do, Marie. We want to have a positive impact in the world. Thanks to you (and Marianne) for all the inspiration.

  272. Sharon

    While I agree with most of what Marianne Williamson talks about in your interview, and her prayer was beautiful. I was offended about her comment about so many people these days who do not wanting to consume gluten. There has been an increase in celiac disease and gluten intolerance, in the past 50 years, largely because of how gluten containing products are produced in industrialized food production. However, what she, and many people fail to realize is that in those with celiac disease or gluten intolerance, if we continue to eat it then it leads to serious health consequences, including autoimmune disease. I feel that this is a common misunderstanding among the general population and these types of statements only serve to perpetuate these misconceptions, especially in regards to people who do have gluten intolerance.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Sharon, we completely hear where you’re coming from. We have a beloved member of our Team who has Celiac disease and gluten intolerance. My understanding was that Marianne was more referring to the trendy gluten-free diet that many people have adopted with no understanding of industrialized food production, gluten intolerance, or context for the diet. Either way, we had no intention of offending you and are sorry to have made you feel that way.

      So glad you loved the prayer at the end too, and thank you for sharing your insights, and for watching!

  273. Kelly

    I think that you need to tread lightly when it comes to mental health issues like depression. Of course, it is natural to feel grief, sadness and depression after a loss. This is situational depression. It takes time to heal from this type of sadness and it can also be an opportunity for personal growth. However, people do get clinically depressed and require medication to overcome that depression. We all know big pharma is always out to make a buck off of us, but no one should have to suffer with clinical depression, or feel any sort of shame, about seeking help from a mental health professional. I agree that you should have a counterpoint interview from a mental health professional about when it’s appropriate to take antidepressant medication.

  274. listen to you inner world and be one with the universe. Intelegence is always talking to us.

    With lots of love to both of you and the community.

  275. Jessica

    Wow. Very powerful episode. I can’t believe Marianne lost. I really loved her perspective, and that it’s okay to be sad. As someone who’s gone through more dark periods then I’d like to admit, it’s nice to have those feelings validated and not be seen as someone who has issues. When you go through hard transitions and have losses, those feelings are inevitable. I also liked how Marianne talked about just being there as the important thing, because I often don’t know what to do or say to help someone else who is going through a sad time. I completely agree with her comments about the funeral and that as a society, we really need to change our approach. The prayer brought me to tears at the end – I think sometimes we still carry pain with us and don’t realize it until someone touches on it. Thanks for the download!

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Jessica, I think you’re right that we all do carry pain with us, and being able to touch that and allow that pain to be okay is so important. Thank you so much for watching and commenting. <3

  276. Kristy

    Thank you for this episode. As a psychologist who works in the VA with post-combat Veterans, I see daily the over pathologizing of expected grief, depression, guilt, and difficulty re-adjusting. Too many of them are misdiagnosed and over medicated for experiences they have had that are really tough to go through and warrant struggle afterwards. I’m not belittling any of what they are going through, but I so appreciate Marianne’s discussion about what is “normal” to feel in certain circumstances. My organization can be very quick to jump to remedies that are intended to ameliorate, but may not allow true growth and healing. I appreciate hearing the reminder that sometimes suffering is to be expected and even necessary, so thank you for this discussion

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Kristy, thank you so much for adding your voice to this conversation. What an important field you’re in, and we love hearing some of your thoughtfulness around it and what you see happening. So happy to have you here!

  277. Judith Thomson

    Hello MF, this is my first comment. It took me forever to figure this out. I don’t know why. I am not stupid but it sure felt like it for a long while!
    I lost my mother in November 2015. I used to be on anti-depressants for 8years and I went off of them over a year ago. I don’t feel much different from that time. Anyways, loosing my mother has left me in so much pain that it feels like I cannot live with it. Your discussion with Marianne was very relatable and made me feel a bit hopeful. I wasn’t at my best her last 3years but I visited her as much as humanly possible. I have a drinking problem that got in the way every so often but as soon as my bender was over I’d be back for long visits with her favorite chocolate ball on top ice-cream cone. I still feel guilty because I didn’t have a car to get her out of that “home”, and take her for a car ride, which was never done by other siblings who had multiple cars and money. I am trying to forgive myself for not being successful in doing so. This I must work on and your interview and me responding for my first time in years is a first step in healing as far as I am concerned.
    I love your work Marie and from now on since I have mastered the high level of skill that it takes to leave a comment!!! Thank you.
    Truly yours
    Judith Thomson(from Canada)

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Hi Judith, thank you so much for commenting and sharing with us. I’m so sorry to hear about the loss of your mother, and please accept our sincerest condolences for your loss.

      Healing can be a difficult process, and taking the time we need to grieve and be present with ourselves is so important. We so appreciate that you watched this episode and left a comment — know that we’re sending so much love and support your way.

  278. I am happy that I watched this episode it has helped me to have more insight into the process of forgiveness. I recently had my ex-husbands daughter from the women he decided to be with come and stay a weekend with me. This was the first time she has ever been in my company, she is nineteen years old. He father or her mother did not want her to be in my company, but I was very happy that she decided to spend time with me. I coached her on the importance of a college education, however, the most important thing I got from this interaction is how important it is to forgive and live in the moment. Thank you Marie and Marianne for helping me to live my best life.

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Pamela, what a beautiful example of forgiveness. It’s wonderful that you had a chance to spend some quality time with your ex-husband’s daughter and it went so well. Thank you so much for your comment and for tuning in with us!

  279. Powerful episode. Marianne never minces words. She’s not looking for what people WANT to hear, she’s speaking to what we NEED to hear. I had no idea that I was grieving and holding onto sadness until this episode . . . it struck me so hard that my emotions were unleashed. I now have work to do. 1st, forgive myself . . . thank you Marie and thank you, thank you Marianne. This book will be a gift to myself and others I know . . . xxoo

  280. This is a wonderful post! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us! I hope to read more of your post which is very informative and useful to all the readers. I salute writers like you for doing a great job!

  281. OMG! I loved everything that she said. Marianne Willamson has the talent to say thing so that we gat them right away!
    So glad that I stoped today to make time listening to this episode of Marie TV.

    Love. The saying that will stay with me today is: ” the sad or depressed arelike the Canaries in the cold mine”
    I will quote you in my next workshop.


  282. Thanks for this. I was diagnosed with depression two years ago. It’s become worse since I found out my job will be ending at the end of this year. I was always of the mind that I could talk my way out of sadness but that hasn’t been the case. Your talk with Marianne has given me some good insights to process my sadness.

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      That means the world to us, Ian. Thank you so much for your comment, and we’re sending so much love your way.

  283. Stephanie

    I have a “Q” question I wanted to ask, and I wanted to first say thank you to Marie and her team for sending out insightful and encouraging content out into the world. All of you truly help to make the world an even brighter place to grow.

    As an introvert who typically handles difficult and heavy emotions in private, I often have difficulty expressing the compassion, sympathy, and/or empathy I truly feel for others, especially if they are anyone other than my sister or fiance. My family has always pushed the need to be strong and they are not always comfortable expressing vulnerability. Also my experiences in college, studying science, has trained me to appear purely analytical (think Sheldon Cooper on The Big Bang Theory) ….. end result: when I do try to express genuine compassion and sympathy, others feel that I am not being sincere or authentic and they shy away. I am really good at reading body language, but my own stiff & awkward body language needs work. I know in the past I have missed out on amazing friendships due to my inability to accurately portray the open, kind, loving, non-judgemental person I really am on the inside. Is there anything you can recommend to get how I feel on the inside to match how I am portraying myself to the world?

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Stephanie, I completely 100% hear where you’re coming from. As an introvert myself, I’ve often found it incredibly difficult to feel comfortable expressing compassion and love outwardly to others too.

      One thing that has helped me tremendously is focusing my energy onto the other person. Rather than getting stuck in my head thinking about whether I’m responding appropriately or saying/doing the right things, I focus on “how can I make this other person more comfortable, how can I focus my energy on them?”

      It’s actually an exercise I learned from this MarieTV episode about the “flashlight” technique:, so I might recommend checking that one out.

      I can also say from personal experience that this does get better with time and practice — the more I’ve been able to interact with people and pour my energy and attention into them, the easier it becomes.

      That’s just a little food for thought, but I hope it helps! 🙂

  284. Melissa

    This episode was very good and brought up many points I have been toying with myself.
    This past Janurary my boyfriend ended his life in front of me.
    I find myself opening up, because my therapist tells my I have “infected pain.” (lol I think it sounds funny) and need to talk about it with others besides her.
    I have accepted that I have to put an effort into healing because it is crucial for my future.
    But it is way more difficult that it sounds.
    I do understand a lot about the situation, but understanding why it happened and that it was not my fault, etc. does not help. Since I am terrified of the pain it has been very difficult to deal with the loss, the ptsd, and guilt, constant sadness, etc.
    I am embarrassed to even admit that I have suicidal thoughts, because I am a “strong” and “optimistic” person. I am still very grateful for everything, but I have this turmoil inside of me. I still can’t bring myself to talk to my friends and family about how I feel.
    I realize it is going to take time, but I get very tired and the pain has been unbearable at times (a lot of times).
    *Do I just have to accept and give in to the fact that I am going to hurt and be sad for a long time and if so how do I accept that without the feeling of terror and hopelessness?
    *I need to learn how to truly forgive him and myself, but I don’t know how. It is confusing because I want to but I can’t even though I have tried and I tell myself that I forgive, is the forgiving process a long one too?
    Thank you!
    &Thank you for sharing that beautiful prayer, I will definitely be using it 🙂

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Melissa, thank you for commenting. I’m so sorry to hear that your boyfriend ended his life in front of you, and I can’t imagine how much pain and heartbreak you must be feeling. It can be really difficult to let people in, but I always find that connecting with trusted friends or perhaps a support group of people going through something similar can be an incredible source of comfort.

      In terms of being in pain and forgiveness, I know both of those things can take time, and that’s absolutely okay. It doesn’t mean however that you’ll only be hurt and sad for a long time — there might be stretches of time where you’re feeling better, and other times when you’re hurting again … the most important thing is to be gentle with yourself and your own healing process and journey.

      Regarding forgiveness, we did a beautiful episode a little while back about some thoughts on the art of forgiveness, so I thought I might share that for a few thoughts:

      Finally I wanted to mention that whatever you’re feeling is okay. There’s no one right way to grieve or heal, so trust that being kind to yourself and honoring what you need in each moment will start taking you step by step toward healing. We’re sending our best thoughts and so much love your way.

  285. Judy

    When the student is ready, the teacher will appear… or something along those lines… I have found this quote to be so insightful over the last several years. Thank you Marie and Marianne for your continued love and encouragement. Although this video was originally aired in June of 2016, it is now August and I am just getting to it 🙂 Several months ago, my 21 year old daughter opened up to us about her ongoing depression and, of course, our first instinct was to try and make her feel better — which seems natural as a parent — it’s hard to watch our children suffer and feel totally helpless. She is one of the sweetest, most loving, caring, light-hearted individuals you will ever meet. But as we’ve learned, has been hiding the ‘dark’ inside her very well. She said that she was thinking about going to talk to a therapist, and we agreed that would be a good idea. She went for 3 sessions, but didn’t connect very well and has not found another one yet. We have never really been in support of taking medications, unless it is absolutely necessary — not a fan of mind altering drugs… That being said, I’ve recently started thinking that maybe it would be good for her, maybe it would be ok, maybe it would help take away some of the darkness. I had actually just mentioned something to her earlier this week and suggested she go in to talk with someone again and shared my thoughts about the medication.

    So funny how the Universe speaks to us, because yesterday, I was watching Super Soul Sunday and saw a commercial (which I normally fast-forward through) about some medication for depression. I’ve seen a few before, and they’ve all said that for children or young adults it could cause symptoms to become worse and contribute to thoughts of suicide… and as I listened, sure enough, this one was no different. (I always think about what Dr. Phil says about how a young person’s brain is not finished forming until they are 25.) Then today, I sat down in my office to do some mindless filing work and decided to take the opportunity to listen to you, Marie, while I worked. I went back into my “inbox” to choose something and found that this particular email had been there the longest and, therefore, the oldest. This was the one that I had kinda been avoiding because I didn’t want to be sad… go figure! So instead of opening it up, I went to the next one, which was business-related. My husband and I work in the same home office, so I shared with him what I was doing. When I went to put something on his desk, I noticed he had the screen paused and I saw you, Marianne. I questioned, “oh, you’re listening to Marianne Williamson?” He said, “yes, she’s speaking with Marie.” So after I finished the first video I went on to watch this one, the one I had been avoiding 🙂 And low and behold, as I started watching, you both started speaking to me!

    I’ve forwarded this link to my daughter and asked that she please watch/listen to it… that she may find a fresh perspective. I know you can’t force anyone to do anything, so I pray she’s ready to “take it in” and that it’s the time the right teacher(s) appear for her ♥♥♥

    Thank you both for sharing yourselves with us … YOU’RE THE BEST!!!

    With Love and Gratitude,

    P.S. Oh and thank you so much for also sharing the audio prayer separately, I was thinking of how awesome it would be to have just that part on audio. But, of course, you already knew that, right Marie???

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Judy, thank you so much for your comment and letting us know that you found this episode at just the right time for you. I also love the quote about the teacher appearing when the student is ready, and I’ve seen that happen so many times in my own life too.

      I’m so sorry to hear that your daughter is going through depression, and I hope that this episode serves as a source of comfort and inspiration to her and to your family. I hope that she finds a therapist who really connects with her too — sometimes it can take a couple sessions to find the right person, but the right fit makes all the difference. Know that we’re sending so much love to you and your daughter, and we so appreciate you being in our world!

  286. MAI

    i like the topic

  287. So beautiful! I occasionally attended Marianne’s seminars in the 80’s in NYC and LA – and listened to her back when I had all her “cassettes.” So good to see her important message get out to a wider audience over the last couple of decades. Marie – you are new to me and I’m loving, loving, loving the message you have to share as well. Thank you for this wonderful interview and for all you both do to make the world a better, more loving, more prosperous place.

  288. Renia

    “and self hate shall not defeat me”, prayer excerpt by Marianne Williamson.

  289. Thank you so much! I think people need to know that it’s ok to grieve and be sad and it’s a normal part of life. I love the quote about grief not being a mental illness. People are so quick to numb their emotions with meds, instead of embracing the pain so that they can eventually accept and move on and live their life. This video really hit home with me and I will be sharing it with others.

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Beautifully said, Heidi. We so appreciate you tuning in and that you’ll be sharing this incredible episode <3

  290. Gloria Goodwill

    Thank you so much for this! Your words are very useful and wise! It’s important that people know, that grief is a very natural thing, that is part of the process of loss and helps in maintaining a healthy mind. At some point you have to start to get back to life though. Otherwise your grieving goes on to a depression. What helped me with getting back on track was simply reading my horoscope. I preferred knowing that life goes on and that there is a future full of new experiences that are waiting to be discovered made me stop griefing and start living again.

  291. Sarah

    This is beautiful. Thank you.

  292. Marie.

    Thank you for this interview Marie and Marianne. I read Tears to Triumph and it was a hard but needed read for me. I cried through most of it but I know she’s right it’s the same reason I encourage my son to read holocaust stories so he knows that we too can move through this even in moments that I’m appalled at every moment. Love is powerful thank you ladies.

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Thank you so much, Marie. Love is indeed powerful! ♥

  293. Stephanie

    Thank you for this.
    My Dad is dying, and I’m wrestling hard because I live on the east coast and they live on the west coast. I go as often as I can to be with him and my Mom.
    I have so much guilt.
    I loved that prayer, thank you so much.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Awww, Stephanie, we’re sending so much love your and your family’s way. I’m really sorry to hear your sweet dad is dying. Please don’t feel guilty—you’re doing the best you can, especially given the miles between you. We hope he’s feeling the love you’re holding in your heart for him. <3

  294. Ivana

    Hello Marie, thank you so much for this episode. I have lost two grandmas within 4 months. Incredibly said moments for the whole family. But I learned a lot and this episode helped me to process that. With my first granny, I had a chance to be with her for 2 hours the day before she died. I sang her songs she loved and thanked her for everything she has been to all of us. She was already unconcious according to the doctors, but I saw the reaction when I started to sing. I will be forever thankful, that she has waited for me to say goodbye as we were very close. The next they she was gone, but I will treasure our moment forever as one of the most beautiful ones in my entire life. My second granny died at our house, suddenly, when visiting my mum. That was so hard to process, specially the suffering of my mum. But she gave the feeling of living in the presence. I will never forget that. Few months after that I had a dream. My grandma told me that I will have a baby in march and indeed next year my son was born. After each dark time the light will come. My son brought joy back to our lives.

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Ivana, I’m so sorry to hear about the loss of your grandmas, and please accept our sincerest condolences. It sounds like you have some precious, beautiful memories with them, and it means the world to know that this episode provided some comfort and healing. We’re sending so much love your way ♥

      • Ivana

        Thank you very much Caroline!

  295. Very nice article.Thanks for sharing.

  296. Jane

    My favourite line is:
    They must be stared down; they must be transformed; because otherwise they will find subconscious ways to punish you.
    That’s awesome.

  297. What a sensitive beautiful soul!

  298. Thank you Marie for this interview. I love the message and vulnerability you both showed to share something so many times is considered taboo to talk about.
    I watched this video about a 2 months ago give or take and for some reason God keeps bringing it back to my heart. I wanted to make a comment then but I guess I was not ready to be vulnerable or share what I know. This is what continues to come to my mind…there is a part about 20 minutes into the interview when you asked Marianne something to the effect of ~on the surface life looks good I or we shouldn’t be depressed or sad there has not been a loss or reason to feel sad but a cloud has come over us I should be happy but we are not~ I feel the answer you got did not answer your question. It has been on my heart ever since.
    Here is my answer that I would have given had I been sitting on your couch, no disrespect to Marianne she is truly an enlightened soul and had a great message to share .
    There are two types of depression one from grief where a person stays “trapped” in sadness and does not process the emotions of grief properly this is why grief counseling is very important. The other type of depression or sadness is the one you talked about the one where there is no loss or death in your life and you cannot explain why you are sad. You have everything you have ever wanted and living the life you have always dreamt of living but you are still sad. I have been there and had felt that way for many years. I suffered with that type of sadness which lead to a deep clinical depression with constant thoughts of suicide. By the grace of God I was shown a book which taught me how to heal it and remove it from my life. I am depression free and have been for 20 years but it took some work on my part to heal some childhood pains and process the hurts from my past. Yes I get sad at times especially because I am an active participant in life but I think it is unrealistic to think that we should always be happy. Now instead of the sadness lasting 27 days out of 30 it lasts 2 hours.
    This is what I know… Depression or severe sadness is a symptom of unprocessed emotions from our past. We grow up and have painful events that happen. It could be the loss of a loved one at the age of 8 or it could be not making the basketball team at the age of 14 or not getting our fathers attention when we wanted it. There are emotions that come from those events ie…fear, hurt sadness, anger, jealousy frustration, but because we are not taught to properly process our emotions they stay stuck in our subconscious mind waiting to come up usually when we are in our 20’s for me it began at the age of 21. Studying this for the past 20 years what I have found with people is they begin to do things to numb the pain because they can’t explain why they feel how they feel so self destructive habits or “addictions” begin . For example drug abuse, alcoholism, workaholism, overeating, over exercising and oversleeping to me an addiction is anything that keeps you from feeling or thinking about what you feel. My addiction was sleeping, even with two little children at the time I managed to sleep so I did not feel. The medications I was put on did not cure me but it did help lift me so I can begin the real work and process my trapped emotions. I gotta just say I slept my days away until that God appointed day at the age of 24 everything changed and I got my life back!
    I’m gonna say this with no ill intention or disrespect but the day you, Marie, filmed this I could see that you had some pain or something you were going through. This is why I have come back to post this. God keeps putting this interview and your beautiful face in my mind and on my heart.

    My hope for sharing this is that someone reads it and realizes that they are not crazy for feeling sad when they “should be happy” and know there is a way to heal it.

    God bless you Marie for connecting with what you were put on this earth to do and having the courage to do it! I hope to share a stage with you one day as we share our messages with the world!
    Marisela Abasta

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Thank you so much for sharing your heart with us, Marisela! I’m so glad you’re in a healthier, happier place now and you’ve got your life back. We’re sending tons of love your way.

    • Merry

      Thank you Marisela well said.

  299. Merry

    First, I would like to thank Marianne for the wonderful insight she has provided and the wonderful prayer. I will use this prayer often; it’s perfect.
    I have many childhood memories that are not so good and for the most part I get through it (starting from age 5 on up to the present). I don’t remember much of my younger years, bits and pieces and I would guess that my mind has blocked a portion of the bad things that happened; I feel blocked and I feel that this blockage is keeping me from finding my true self, my destiny.
    I am also no stranger to loss — I have lost 2 brothers both at very young ages. My father and most recently my mother. I was caregiver to my ex-husband and his sister until they died and both my mother and father in-law died with in a month of each of my parents.
    I have endured being raped, starting at age 13, by different people throughout my life, being attacked and beaten in a parking lot by a man and a woman while I was getting milk for my family, and a being in a 23 year relationship that was abusive in every way.
    Now I know I was born an “old soul,” I can feel it and most people see it in my personality. I’m a pretty easy going, loving, and giving person; and I know people take advantage of me, but that’s ok I’m still going to be me.
    I am grateful every day to have my 3 sons who have grown into fine men, and grateful to their father for giving them to me even though he didn’t know how to give me his love. I am grateful that I have been able to provide for my family and for all of the things I possess.
    I understand the concept of Karma and paying your karmic debt. What I need to know is how long does it take? When will it be over? I am 57 years young and would like at least a portion of my life to be filled with love, luck and peace. So I will pray.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I’m so sorry to hear of the hardships and struggles you’ve endured, Merry. We want your life to be filled with love, luck, and peace too. You have such a bright, positive, resilient spirit and we’ll be sending lots of love your way.

  300. Melanie

    Some of the messages in this interview are so important for our society to pay attention to if we are to move forward.
    I find it interesting that Marianne Williamson denies the existence of people who are more sensitive than others (empaths) but in the same speech speaks of the value and distinction between average chimpanzees and those that are more sensitive (empaths) and therefore able to pick up on the environmental cues more quickly so that the collective can adapt more intuitively.
    While I like her overall message, there are some very defined contradictions in this interview. She is a human with a very strong ego and I feel sometimes it gets in the way of her valuable message. This edge makes it more difficult for some people to digest her message.

  301. This woman comes through with some real crone wisdom. I love what she says about mercy and using your pain to understand the pain of others. Thank you Marie and Marianne! ?

  302. Ariella

    Hi Marie, Recently lost my husband last month, he was only 32 and I have been grieving over so many things. I decided to view YouTube tonight and came across you interview with Marianne. I now want to read her book, she has a lot of important information that I really need. I realize that I have been bringing so many things to the alter and I have the ability to stop that. Thank you

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I’m so sorry for your loss, Ariella. I hope Marianne’s words will be comforting during this challenging time. We’re sending lots of love and healing wishes your way.

  303. Grief is a wave of uncontrollable emotions that engulf your spirit into heartache. I finally had to embrace
    grief and flow with it not knowing the outcome. I do know it is a challenge working on your fun &
    happiness. I learned I did not want to get stuck in my life. I still struggle with the loss of my husband and the loss of my mother 9 1/2 months later. She was my anchor as well as my teddy bear…I flat lined !!
    I got in in an argument with me, myself & I and realized I caused none of the inevitable happenings. I am very grateful for my memories sealed in my heart & tears. ???
    Thank you for your insight …it puts a different spin on bringing one centered, knowing that the are not going crazy ? !!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I’m so sorry to hear of the loss of your husband and mom, especially within such a short amount of time, Genie. We’re sending so much love your way and healing wishes, too. We’re so glad you checked out this episode and that is was helpful. You’re not going crazy at all––you’re on a powerful healing journey that isn’t necessarily linear or straightforward. We want you to do what feels best to you and take good care of yourself. <3

  304. Fabienne Oberli

    Dear Marie, dear Marianne,

    Thank you so much for this video! I was crying almost the whole time, while watching it. That compassion in your words and acting just cracked my shell. After a really hard time in on holidays, but I feel exhausted, my hands are shacking and I feel sad and depressed. I was partly prepared that something like that could happen, but now it hits me with full power.
    This interview gave me strength and hope. The prayer opened my heart. Thank you so much!

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Beautiful, Fabienne. It means the world to know this episode provided a little inspiration and opened the door for hope and healing. We’re sending so much love your way ♥

  305. Diana

    The prayer…

  306. Evelyn B Sideen

    So resonated with me. Am going to share with family and hopefully get more understanding and discussions going… Thank You-such a timely post!!!

  307. Jillian - Team Forleo

    Evelyn, we’re so glad this came at the perfect time for you! We hope your family enjoys watching, and some beautiful discussions come from sharing it with them.

  308. Lauren

    Thank you Marianne & Marie! <3



  310. this is so great… Especially as a widow that’s on the journey.. thank you !! Shalom

  311. Ana

    It’s refreshing to be reminded that thriugh tests we grown and can become more closely aligned with our true nature as spiritual beings and a result be of greater service to the world.

  312. I truly appreciated the fact that feeling sad is a sign of being sensitive and empathetic/sympathetic and aware of what is going on in the world. I have been ashamed of my “sadness” and I felt it was a sign of my lack of gratitude. This interview helped to put into perspective how I have been feeling. I am going to take action and move to do more–love more, serve more and move to become a more loving presence in the lives of others. Thank you so much for this interview and everything that you do, Marie Forleo and Marianne Williamson.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      This is wonderful, Belinda! You’re not ungrateful at all and we’re so glad Marianne’s wisdom was helpful. We believe being empathetic is a gift and we hope everyone will come to see it that way too. 🙂

  313. What a beautiful soul Marianna is! I loved this episode so much. I know by my own experience what a dark night of the soul maybe since I was 18. And I’m 33 now. I’m so touched by loving eyes and words of this beautiful writer and woman. really want to read her book now. Last year I lost my granny and this is when I realized how important it is when people send you their words and messages of support and condoleance. A couple of months ago my school friend died unexpectedly and I had no hesitation to come visit her family just to be with them to share their loss. And I felt deep in my heart that was an important thing to do – for me as well. As my first depression hit me after my father, whom I hadn’t seen even once in my life, passed away. An people really could not understand why I was so grieving about someone I didn’t really know. I was all alone in my grief. But now I’m totally sure it taught me to be more loving and even more compassionate than before. Thank you, Marie, for sharing such a wide range of topics. I love your project!!!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I know it meant a lot to your family and the family of your friend when you were able to be there with them in their grief. We’re sending lots of love your way and hope you never have to grieve alone again. We’re so glad Marianne’s thoughts were inspiring and encouraging.

  314. Mandy - Team Forleo

    That’s a beautiful step forward, Megan! We’re sending lots of love your way and hope things continue to get better from here.

  315. evelyn odonoghue

    I just found this episode today and am very grateful to have done so. The B-school alumni has been very helpful in keeping me focused but after losing my dad 3 weeks ago this interview with Marianne has helped me make sense of my feelings right now. I’ve lost both parents and I’m only 46. Life is a b***h sometimes but Mariannes guidance will help me find the light. I shed some tears with that poem and I feel much better for doing so. Thank you Marie and team. Evelyn x

    • Maja - Team Forleo

      We’re so sorry to hear about the passing of your Dad, Evelyn. We’re glad Marianne’s words brought you some comfort. Please know that we’re keeping you in our hearts, and we’re sending so much love your way. ?

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