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Marie Forleo: Hey, it’s Marie from Marie TV, business and life advice that works. And today we have a very special episode. We are in the West Village with one of my friends. And I want to tell you a little bit about who he is first before the reveal happens. So, my friend has a very … He’s a multi-passionate entrepreneur, incredible business. He writes for The Huffington Post. He’s been on Oprah’s Lifeclass. And right now, he is on tour with Ms. Oprah for Lifeclass Tour. And I am just in love with his site. I’m in love with what he stands for in the world. And I could not be more honored to introduce you to Mr. Mastin Kipp, founder of the

Mastin Kipp: Hey. Hello. Hello.

Marie Forleo: So we’re hanging out here in the West Village. And I’m so pumped because Mastin and I … I spent some time in LA, which most of you guys know. And when I was there, Mastin and I got together. In fact, where did we have dinner?

Mastin Kipp: Café Gratitude.

Marie Forleo: Which we adored. And we discovered we have lots of friends in common. That’s actually how we got together in the first place. And your site, The Daily Love, amazing, right?

Mastin Kipp: Thank you. Well, yeah, I mean, a lot of people think it’s amazing. I’m still in awe of it myself.

Marie Forleo: I mean, you started it, what was great. When I was researching and digging around and finding all kinds of good stuff about Mastin, he’s amazing. What I was surprised, and I was actually pleasantly surprised to see that you started your site in 2005.

Mastin Kipp: Yeah. It’s interesting. It’s interesting, actually, the progression. Because I really used Occam’s razor, which is all things being equal the simplest solution is usually the correct one. And it was exercise in patients. The site has only been around for a little over a year. But I started out as a newsletter to my friends. It was just like I sent my friends an email, literally 20 friends. Half of them the first day I sent them were like, “Get me off this thing. I don’t want more quotes.” So it just started growing and I would meet people and tell them about the quotes and you should checkout the quotes. And that was now of my own writing which is sharing other people’s quotes.

Marie Forleo: So that’s how it started-

Mastin Kipp: That’s how it started.

Marie Forleo: … in 2005?

Mastin Kipp: Yeah. Yeah. And then I would share it on Facebook. I’m sorry, on Myspace, pre-Facebook. Remember that. And then people were like whenever we go, I was like in the hipster world. Like I was emerging American apparel culture. And whenever I’d be out at the standard, or the Roosevelt, all these hipster kids were like, “Oh man, I love your quotes.” They’d be listening to MGMT or Block Party or whatever. And telling me I was like the quote guy, basically.

Mastin Kipp: And I thought that was really annoying at the time because I really just wanted to fit in to that community. But there was always something else going on. And then just something that I did on the side, I was managing bands at the time. And then after that, I started a clothing line. And there was always just something inside me that was like, “You must send out quotes every day. You just must to help the world.”

Mastin Kipp: That was how it started. And then one day a friend of mine came to me and said, “You know, Mastin, you can make a ton of money online.” And I was like, “Really?” I didn’t really understand the internet. I was annoyed by it. I got dragged on Twitter because it’s just like there’s just too much out to keep. Too much input coming in. And so it slowly evolved. And then when my friend put that idea in my mind, I was like, “Okay, well, if I’m going to do this, I want to do it right.” Because I’m into brand creation. Because I think when you start with an emotional reason, you can create lots of things around that emotional reason to sell.

Mastin Kipp: But if you don’t capture the emotion, then you’re just a commodity. Otherwise, a brand is something that establishes loyalty and speaks to someone in their language. And has empathy and understanding for their plate and their journey. So I thought, “I’m just going to start with that. I don’t have any products in mind. I don’t really know what’s going to happen.” Instead of calling it thoughts of the day, which is what it was called, I was like, “Okay, well, what’s my favorite internet company?” At the time it was DailyCandy. And I was obsessed with DailyCandy. And then just gotten bought by Comcast like $125 million.

Marie Forleo: Yeah, they did.

Mastin Kipp: And I was like, “All right, well, maybe I can do an inspirational version of that. And I’m going to keep the wheels turning. I’m not going to try to reinvent the wheel. So how about Daily Love?” So I went to the No one owned it. I was shocked and I bought it.

Marie Forleo: Sure? [inaudible 00:04:01].

Mastin Kipp: Yeah. And then I was like, “Hey, My Thing is now called The Daily Love.” And I think I had 270 subscribers.

Marie Forleo: And was that your first … When people go online, it’s so funny because I work with a lot of, obviously, online entrepreneurs who are like, “How do I figure out this whole email subscription thing?” Were you using constant contact?

Mastin Kipp: Totally. I was using constant contact up until a month ago.

Marie Forleo: That’s awesome. It’s awesome.

Mastin Kipp: I got to like 75,000 people and then I started getting all these emails like, “I’m not getting my Daily Love. I’m not going to get my Daily Love.” So I had to like Trump. I bought. I stopped using it. But my thought was in the beginning. I have no idea what I’m going to sell. But as long as I send stuff out that touches people, they’re going to remember me. So I’m just going to capture emails.

Mastin Kipp: I didn’t have a blog. I didn’t have content. I didn’t have a content strategy. This was before Twitter. This was right as Facebook was starting to emerge. And I said, “I’m just going to have a landing page that’s really simple. That just says, “Enter your email address with a cute logo.” And I’m going to have that cute logo in the newsletter. And just every day with that consistently just send stuff out. And I can remember when I made that switch, people started interacting more. And then, I didn’t even consider myself to be a writer.

Marie Forleo: What is the switch?

Mastin Kipp: When I made the switch from Thoughts of the Day to The Daily Love.

Marie Forleo: To the Daily Love. Oh, well, I mean, because they feel so different. I mean, if you think about thoughts for the day, it feels very in your head. If you think about the Daily Love, there’s something even in my body that just goes like, “Oh, that sounds awesome. I want that.”

Mastin Kipp: Yeah, totally. And so, yeah. So it went from that. And then all of a sudden, I noticed like, “Wow, 10 people signed up today. How did they find out about it?” And then “Wow, this person signed up.” And then, “Oh my friend unsubscribed.” You know what I mean? And just started drama with some of them. I would go, “Wow, I’m up to like 750. This might get to 1000 people.” And they get to 1000, one of my friends, who’s a publicist in this industry, he was like, “You’re going to be over 10,000 people in no time.” And I’m like, “Yeah, right.” And then Kim Kardashian found out about it. She told me about it.

Marie Forleo: And this was in 2000 and …

Mastin Kipp: Nine.

Marie Forleo: So this is kind of cool. So think about this, so many people start businesses. They start businesses online or something they believe in. And they give up after like six freaking months. You know what I mean? Or after a year. And I know for me, my journey, I’ve been online for a long time. I’ve been doing what I’m doing. And it wasn’t until, honestly, the past few years where things just started exponentially growing. But you and I were talking a little bit off camera. It’s like most people, they think you’re this overnight success, at least that’s the perception. But there’s been all this work happening in the background.

Mastin Kipp: Totally.

Marie Forleo: Right?

Mastin Kipp: I mean, if you think about today, there was an ad that came out where it says Twitter is faster than an earthquake. Did you see that ad?

Marie Forleo: No.

Mastin Kipp: It shows this guy in New York. Remember when there was a DC earthquake?

Marie Forleo: Yes.

Mastin Kipp: So there was this hipster guy in the Starbucks having a coffee. The coffee’s down on a table, and then his iPhone goes off. He looks at it, picks up the coffee, the whole coffee shop shakes. Everyone else is nervous. He’s just sitting there reading his thing holding his coffee up it doesn’t spill. It stops. He puts it down and it says, “Twitter faster than an earthquake.”

Marie Forleo: Amazing.

Mastin Kipp: Right? I’m like, “That’s amazing.” But here’s the thing that people don’t understand, just because we have instant access to answer any question at any time, or we can have infinite variety by going on to Facebook or Twitter, or Googling anything, it still takes the same amount of time to establish trust with people. Which is not something you can automate, or something that you can plan for or strategize. It’s just something that you have to be. And it’s like just because … Again, just because you can be retweeted a million times, it doesn’t mean that if you plant a seed in the ground, it’s going to hurry any faster. Nature has its own pace.

Marie Forleo: Yeah, no, it’s-

Mastin Kipp: And we’ve forgotten that.

Marie Forleo: It’s so important because people get so frustrated. And I’m like, “Great things do take time.” And I’ve always been people are like, “Oh, don’t you want to buy more traffic to grow faster?” I’ve been an organic grower my whole business career and it’s really been awesome. So I want to ask you, okay, so Kim Kardashian retweeted, or said, “Hey, you guys should follow Daily Love,” and everything just have some spot?

Mastin Kipp: Everyone hears that and they go, “How lucky was that?” But see, I think that was a response to a choice I made.

Marie Forleo: Tell me more.

Mastin Kipp: Because basically, a couple months before that, I had a clothing line called Love Yourself with a partner. And I love my partner tremendously, but we started to just go like this. And it was right at the peak of our success. We had clothes on like all these celebrities and photos. We were in all the top stores and international sales. And we were in all the shows, great showrooms, and then we just fell apart.

Mastin Kipp: In the same week, our investors pulled out. My partner and I was obvious we weren’t going to continue. My roommate gave me three-day notice of 30-day notice. I got doubt in my big foot, which is like for like 85-year-old guys who drink beer, cheese, and wine, and red meat, which I don’t really eat that much. I don’t drink. I don’t eat red meat. So the doubt in my big foot, it’s the most pain. You can’t even have a sheet on your foot. It’s so painful.

Marie Forleo: It just sounds really nasty. I don’t even want to go there.

Mastin Kipp: And then my lower back went out. The investors pulled out. The girl that I was dating we were seeing each other that split. And so, I don’t have a home in 30 days. I can’t walk. I can’t pick anything up. The company that I put the last four years of my life into was basically gone. And I’m like, “Everything that I had worked for was completely just gone within one week.”

Mastin Kipp: And I was smart enough at that time to realize that this is a divine moment. Like there’s no way I could ever have done this all at the same time. And so I chose to interpret it as that. And then I had a choice. I could go back into the music business, and go get a job. Or as a joke, my ex girlfriend’s mom had told me, “If you ever are in hard times, you can stay in our pool house.” And the pool house was literally 8’x 8′ with like a little bathroom and a little closet in it with it. It has like a shower. It had a shower, a bathroom, and then enough room for my bed.

Mastin Kipp: So I literally had to … I was like, “Okay, well, no one chooses that. No one in their right mind would go live in an 8 x 8 room. So I’m going to go do that and just figure out what’s up with this Daily Love thing because I had like 1000 followers and 1000 emails. I was like, “If I get to 1000, if I get 10,000, if I get to 10,000, I can at least make two grand a month off something to live.” That was my thought having no idea how. And so I made that choice. I went into that 8 x 8 room. And a month later, Kim found me and tweeted it out. And I’m convinced that that is a response to me saying yes.

Marie Forleo: I believe that as well. I believe that 100%.

Mastin Kipp: So people say, “How did you get Kim Kardashian? Or how did you find Oprah? Or how did that happen?” Because I said yes.

Marie Forleo: So you are in the full house, clearly uncomfortable. Kim has discovered you. And yes, it is in response to you having the faith and the courage just about to what you believe in. Tell me more about that uncomfortable period, because that’s really the place where a lot of people give up.

Mastin Kipp: Yeah. It was a really interesting time because this house is a beautiful house in the hills in Los Angeles. So I was confined to this very small room. Yet I would walk outside. I had a huge, beautiful view of the valley, and a pool, and a jacuzzi right there. But it didn’t feel like it was mine, so I could never enjoy it. It wasn’t like, “Oh, I’m chilling.” It was like, “This isn’t a reflection of what’s possible.” Even though I’m in this moment of lack, I was still surrounded by abundance, even though it wasn’t my abundance. It was like the universe’s way of saying, “Don’t give up.” Does that make sense?

Marie Forleo: Absolutely.

Mastin Kipp: And I remember one day I was in this 8 x 8 room and I was talking to the universe. I talk to the universe all the time. And I was like, “Man, you created everything. Why couldn’t you hook me up with free rent or something like the Chateau Marmont?” You know what I mean? That’s possible.

Marie Forleo: Right.

Mastin Kipp: And the answer I got back was, “This room is the size of your faith.” And it was just like, “Wow.”

Marie Forleo: That was like a universal smack down.

Mastin Kipp: It was. It was. I remember hearing that. And then I remember the next thing I heard was, “But it’s enough.” I still to this day get chills talking about that. And then it slowly, I think like a week later is when Kim tweeted. And so, I looked at my finances and I’m like, “Okay, I got a little bit of money here like leftovers like remnants from …”

Marie Forleo: So how much? What’s a little bit?

Mastin Kipp: $14,000.

Marie Forleo: 14,000? Okay.

Mastin Kipp: Usually, at this point, I’m accustomed to spending $3,000 to $4,000 a month living in Los Angeles with rent and food and all that kind of stuff minimum. So I’m like, “Okay. So that could last me three months, four months.” I’m like, “You know what? I’m going to cut this down as much as possible and just we’ll make this last.” Basically, if I can make this last, I don’t have to go get a job. I can just cut this down. And so, literally I didn’t have internet. I had an internet company without internet.

Marie Forleo: Which is amazing. I love it.

Mastin Kipp: Right? So I would literally go down into the neighborhood and borrow Wi-Fi in my car, like writing my blog with Wi-Fi out in the street. And I always knew in my mind Starbucks closes at 10:00. You got to get there when it would open. I literally did it at a Starbucks and coffee beans. And it was just something that I had to do. And there was a part of me that just knew, “You’re tweeting to live. You’re emailing to live. You’re building something of value.” But it was a tremendous questioning phase.

Marie Forleo: And what happened? You told me a story about calling home to your mom during this period.

Mastin Kipp: Yeah. Our parents love us. And one of the ways that our parents love us is they want us to have certainty that we’re going to be financially taken care of, especially as a 28-year-old man. Right? That’s not kid. You’re not a kid at 28.

Marie Forleo: You’re a man.

Mastin Kipp: Get out, you know?

Marie Forleo: Yeah.

Mastin Kipp: And my dad, he doesn’t still really understand what I do.

Marie Forleo: That’s typical, by the way.

Mastin Kipp: Totally.

Marie Forleo: My parents still don’t quite get it. They’re just like, “She’s happy and she’s making money. It’s all good.”

Mastin Kipp: Yeah. Yeah. But my mom got it, but it’s still … And my mom was my biggest supporter. She always encouraged me to go out and to live my adventure. But when stuff got real, this is like real. You’re living in your ex-girlfriend’s parents’ 8 x 8 poolroom house. Something pathetic about that almost. Maybe that’s my projection.

Marie Forleo: No, no, no. I mean, from the outside looking in, yeah.

Mastin Kipp: So I would call home and I’d be like, “Oh, so today I wrote this and a reader said this.” And I would get one email on the day and brighten my whole day. And now I’m like, “I wish I only got one.” And she would like, “That’s great, honey. When are you going to get a job? Or what are you thinking for money?” Every time she would say that, or my parents would say that, it felt so painful because I’m like, “Guys, that’s not where I’m going. I’m going here. I’m not going here I’m going here.” And every time that they would talk about and ask me, “When are you going to go here?” It was almost like they were ignoring my heart or my soul.

Marie Forleo: And what did you say to your mom?

Mastin Kipp: So one day I called home and it was just so painful to call home and hear this even though I love them so much. I was like, “Mom, you know I love you. And what am I about to say comes out of love for you, for me, and for my colleague. Okay? I am doing the Daily Love. I’m called to it. I don’t know what is behind door number two, but I have to find out. If I don’t find out, I will die with regret. And I do not want to die with regret. I could die tomorrow, but I want to know I gave it my all.

Mastin Kipp: So when I call home and you ask me when I’m going to get a job, the way I feel that right now is you’re saying no to my dream and asking me to give up my dream so that I can have financial security. And I’d rather be a beach bum in Venice with my laptop with my dream, than be a prisoner to someone wondering what if. That’s how much I crave and need my freedom and to express myself. So if you keep asking me when I’m going to get a job, I’m going to stop calling home. Not because I don’t love you. I love you tremendously. But because I love myself and my calling more. And I need to do this.” And I think at that point it sunk in and she never asked me ever again.

Marie Forleo: That is awesome.

Mastin Kipp: It was one of those things where it was hard to do that because-

Marie Forleo: Of course.

Mastin Kipp: That’s the other thing is that part of being a successful entrepreneur is breaking up with your parents.

Marie Forleo: Yeah.

Mastin Kipp: Because they want what they want for you.

Marie Forleo: I think too it’s also part of just being a successful adult.

Mastin Kipp: Totally.

Marie Forleo: Oftentimes, I have made a very conscious choice this point in my life. And I think it’s probably going to be true moving forward that I don’t want to have kids. I have a stepson, but I don’t want to have kids. And for a while, my mom was like, “Dude, where’s the babies? Where are they coming?” I had to say to my mom, “Please stop asking. If you want another kid, go adopt one.”

Mastin Kipp: Yeah, totally.

Marie Forleo: So yeah.

Mastin Kipp: 100%.

Marie Forleo: It’s such a huge lesson and I’m so … It’s wonderful to hear you express it like that because it pains so many young people who are trying to start their own thing or living their life in a new and different way. And they don’t even have the words. And it was just perfect the way you expressed that.

Mastin Kipp: Thank you. Abraham Maslow said that to be self-actualized, you have to be independent of the good opinion of other people, and that includes your parents.

Marie Forleo: Yeah.

Mastin Kipp: And you have to remember everyone is projecting onto you their model of the world. And so when you remember that, all of a sudden it’s like, “My dad or my mom, they’re not God. They’re just a human being having this experience, and projecting onto me what they would want.” And I don’t think we’ve reached a phase in our evolution where parents go, “What does the child’s soul want?” And am I willing to whisk them dying to have that. I think that’s not very normal thought process.

Marie Forleo: No, it’s not. Not yet.

Mastin Kipp: If you take the advice of Steve Jobs like if you live like you’re dying, you get to take a lot more risks. And being an entrepreneur is you have to have some sort of disease, crazy disease to be an entrepreneur in the first place because most businesses don’t survive the first year and 94% of businesses fail in the first 10 years. So we’re signing up to fail, by the nature of what we do. So you have to be a little crazy.

Marie Forleo: I love it. So I’m going to move us ahead in the timeline. So tell me about when Oprah got in touch with you, because I know that’s another … It’s probably something that’s been on most people’s vision boards over the past 12 to 15 years. Anytime I meet someone new, they’re like, “Oh, if I could just get on the Oprah.” So the fact that they reached out to you, tell us about that.

Mastin Kipp: It’s interesting because she was on my vision board, but I never watched Oprah. And now hanging out with them, all I hear from people is how much she’s on people’s vision boards. And I’m like, “God, how much vision board space does she take up into globally?” Perhaps like-

Marie Forleo: Massive amounts of real estate.

Mastin Kipp: … 50 million vision boards or more.

Marie Forleo: At least totally.

Mastin Kipp: Think about that. So could be one of like 50, 100 million people was pretty cool. But basically, I had a vision board and I had love on it. I had money on it. I had Hay House on it. I had Huffington Post, and I had Oprah on it. I made it, but I put it away because … And I wrote a blog about this. And people were like, “I’m going to make a vision board.” Because they think the vision board is the answer because it’s so easy to do.

Mastin Kipp: But what I decided was I know I resonated this level. I’m not going to strive after it. I’m just going to be it. Because the whole metaphysical teaching is, you attract what you are. Right? So I’m just going to conduct myself as if I’m on that level, not from an ego place, but from a vibrational place of like, “I’m just going to conduct myself like I’ve made it. I’m going to speak with authority with certainty. I’m also going to be completely transparent about what I’m going through.” And whatever resonates with me on that level will come to me. And the idea came from a book by David Hawkins called Power vs Force.

Marie Forleo: Love that book.

Mastin Kipp: And I was like, “Okay, well, if the Beatles catalog resonates high, or certain phrases in the Bible resonate high, I’m going to try my best to try to resonate at that frequency, and just see if this [inaudible 00:19:30] works.”

Marie Forleo: Right.

Mastin Kipp: Right? So over the course of a six-month period recently, I got an email from Oprah’s people and Louise Hay came and saw me speak and asked me to speak at event with Wayne Dyer in New York.

Marie Forleo: Amazing.

Mastin Kipp: And I didn’t pitch anyone. There was no strategy. And the only thing I can say is that one day I got an email from the general email box, which I check every day but scan. And there was someone said something about Oprah. And I thought it was … I didn’t know. I was like, “Whatever.” So I clicked on it and it was like [email protected] And I was like, “Oh my God.” I still thought it was a joke or something. They told me that they were starting to think about life class and they wanted me to be a bit part of it. And I was just like, “Oh, that’s not going to happen.”

Mastin Kipp: So I just wrote them back and said, “Yeah, I’d be happy for it.” And I put no energy towards it. I just kept living my life. And then they called me a week or two later. And they went through this whole interview process and they had moved something to get back to me again and said, “I’m just going to put that away. I’m not even going to give Oprah a dime of attention because I’m focusing on building my business. I’m focusing on my purpose. And I have my eyes towards my creator.”

Mastin Kipp: Because even Oprah is a shiny penny, distraction. I just want to focus on my purpose, focus on my creator, focus on serving. And whatever stays in this field, whatever comes to me in this field, is what’s meant to come. I’ve made it a intention to practice the feminine quality of receptivity in my business. It was an intentional choice. And then they called back and they said, “We love you. And you’re going to be on life class asking you a question to Oprah and Eckhart Tolle.” And that’s when I was like, “Just kidding. Are you serious? Just kidding.”

Mastin Kipp: And it was amazing moment. And they interviewed me about the questions I wanted to ask. And a lot of the questions, it was surprising. They actually stumped the producers. They were like, “Never thought about that before.” I’m like, “You never thought about that before. You work with Oprah. What are you talking about? You’ve had everyone on.”

Mastin Kipp: So yeah, it was a really interesting process. But the only thing I can say is is that I attracted it. Even when it started to come, I gave it no attention because it wasn’t about … To me, my goal is not about Oprah. It’s not about Louise Hay. It’s not about any of those things. They’re fun to play with. But for me, I’m about service and surrender and impact. And that is it. And whatever comes is a form of that surrender to my calling into the will of the universe, I will accept. But I’m not trying to strategize my way into formulating a construct. The publicist can do that. But not me.

Marie Forleo: Yeah. [inaudible 00:22:01].

Mastin Kipp: I’m really trying to be like that spiritual presence, which is very difficult, especially when you don’t know where your food’s coming from every month.

Marie Forleo: So Lifeclass, Eckhart, Oprah, the dreams come true.

Mastin Kipp: Yeah.

Marie Forleo: What happens next?

Mastin Kipp: It was funny because Eckhart is, one of the reasons why I got this tattoo on my arm which says This Too Will Pass. Eckhart was in his book, A New Earth. And it was just like, “Yeah, I just need that right on my arm to remember.” So he’s been like one of my main teachers. And when I figured out that I was going to be on the show and then asking him a question, asking Oprah question, it was just like, that was my introduction to both of them.

Mastin Kipp: So there’s a part of me that goes just to surrender. It’s going to be okay. There’s another department that just really wants to look good. And there was about three days of technical prep. And they were like maybe three different locations because the internet with Skype and all. I mean, there was this whole thing and they sent me this Oprah Skype kit and all this. It was like a big deal.

Mastin Kipp: And the producer is producing it beforehand. So there’s this buildup to the moment. And they’re like, “We can cut you at any time for the next two hours so just be ready.” So for two hours I’m potentially in front of my computer just like, “Q, Q, Q,” just ready to go. So they cut to me. And I made sure everything was perfect. And Oprah had said my name. And then Oprah said, “the” And I was like, in my head like, “Oh my God. It’s actually happening.”

Marie Forleo: Oh my God.

Mastin Kipp: And then I asked my question and then they wait for me. In the middle of my question I was like, “What?” And basically, the microphone had not worked. So there was no volume for my mic. Part of me was just so embarrassed because I’m like, “Oh my goodness.” But here’s what the redeeming quality was. Oprah asked my question to Eckhart and Eckhart’s response was, “Hmm, never thought about it that way.” Which was like-

Marie Forleo: Do you remember the question?

Mastin Kipp: The question was [inaudible 00:23:43] ego. And I was like, “Instead of making the ego the devil that you’re supposed to get rid of, can’t we just love the ego as the first step to dissolving it and just recognize that it’s here, and give it love, and honor and not make it wrong?” And I’m surprised he never thought about that before, but it’s cool that he didn’t.

Marie Forleo: That’s awesome.

Mastin Kipp: And then it was cool. It was in that moment with all this tension and sweat and stress, I was like, “Can you practice being love in this moment looking bad in front of two people that you really want their approval?” And the answer was like, “Yes.” So I got angry for about 30 seconds and then just let it go. And then I was worried, well, maybe that was my one shot. And then I said, “Even if it’s my one shot, it was one shot.” And then when she said my name and that was cool. And then they called me an hour later said, “We want you to be back on tomorrow with [Yana 00:24:31] because we want to actually get a question and we care about you.” And it was awesome. And then that led to being on tour. Again, it’s like letting go.

Marie Forleo: Awesome. I love that. Now, the one thing I want to talk about before we wrap up, and there’s just so much good stuff. I feel like we could talk for hours. But one of your favorite quotes, again, while we were talking before the cameras went on was about and from Amelia Earhart. Do you want to tell us that?

Mastin Kipp: Yeah. So there’s the movie, Amelia, by Amelia Earhart. And at the end of the quote, she’s flying off into her death and this beautiful sunset or sunrise. And this was right around the time I was about … This was the quote that inspired me to have the conversation with my mom. As she’s flying off into the sunset, it says that, “Everyone has oceans the fly if they have the heart. Is it reckless? Yes. But what do dreams know of boundaries?”

Mastin Kipp: And it was just like … I still just get chills hearing that, because that sums up the whole journey. We all have it. We all can embrace it. And it’s completely counterintuitive to everything that we’ve learned for our survival. And yes. And a lot of people will email me when I write about that and go, “Mastin, but she died.” And my response to them has always been, “I would rather die on living my dream than die a coward.” Because no moment’s guaranteed. But for me, if living my dream and wanting as Steve Jobs make a dent in the universe, it requires you to face your death metaphorically and literally.

Marie Forleo: Absolutely.

Mastin Kipp: And so, I think that’s the number one thing that holds people back is this if you can transcend your fear of death, you can accomplish a lot.

Marie Forleo: It’s awesome. So our Marie TV audience is incredibly interactive and they love to have great discussions. So I think that we should challenge everybody who’s watching at home.

Mastin Kipp: Sounds good.

Marie Forleo: What is holding you back? Like, do you have this big dream? If you think about that quote, that beautiful Amelia Earhart quote, what’s the dream that you want so bad? And what could possibly be holding you back from it? Do you want to share anything to challenge them to … We want you to put your comments below this video, by the way, because we want to have a discussion about this because I think it’ll actually be really rich. Because I know when start to think about this, they’re like, I’ve coached many people and they’re like, “I buried that dream long ago. I didn’t think that that was possible.” I’m like, “That’s the thing that you need to go for. That’s the thing you need to live for. That’s the thing that’ll bring you life.”

Mastin Kipp: Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, we talked about this, but it’s really just about if you knew you’re already dead, and if you knew you had nothing to lose, and if you knew anything was possible, what would you do? Tell us down there.

Marie Forleo: Tell us. Tell us. Tell us.

Mastin Kipp: Write down there.

Marie Forleo: We want to hear. We want to hear it all. Mastin, thank you so much for being with us today.

Mastin Kipp: It’s my pleasure. This has been-

Marie Forleo: This is awesome.

Mastin Kipp: … awesome.

Marie Forleo: Yeah. We’re going to play a lot more. I know we will. And for you, if you like this video, please subscribe to the channel. And of course, share it with your friends. I think this is one of the most important videos we’ve ever made. I think it’s going to change a lot of lives. And if you want more great tips to just improve your business in your life and have a great time doing it, come to Sign up for the email newsletter list. And thank you so much. We’ll catch you next time. Bye everybody.

Marie Forleo: Hey, RHH Live is coming up. Are you coming? Go to for details.

Mastin Kipp: I got doubt in my big foot, which is like for like 85-year-old guys who drink beer, cheese and wine.

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