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Today’s topic is close to my heart and research shows it touches millions of us.  

In fact, the World Health Organization reports that globally more than 300 million people of all ages are dealing with depression.

As you know, the impact of depression can be devastating: emotionally, physically, spiritually, psychologically, socially and economically.

No matter how successful or spiritually rooted you are, depression can sneak up and leave you feeling ashamed, broken and alone. Left unaddressed, it can completely derail your life.

If you struggle with depression or you know someone who does, this episode is a must watch and must share.

It’s not just dealing with depression that causes problems — it’s also dealing with related issues like brain fog, chronic stress, and fatigue.

My guest today is Dr. Kelly Brogan. She’s a holistic health psychiatrist, author of the NY Times bestseller A Mind of Your Own and co-editor of the landmark textbook, Integrative Therapies for Depression.

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She graduated from Cornell University Medical College, completed her psychiatric training and fellowship at NYU Medical Center, and has a B.S. from MIT in Systems Neuroscience.

Dr. Kelly Brogan is a champion for natural and effective remedies for dealing with depression as well as healing chronic stress, brain fog and fatigue.

Most importantly, her protocol for helping us naturally reclaim our mental, emotional and physical health gets results.

I personally worked through her action plan last year and found new levels of energy, clarity and strength. In this episode you’ll learn:

  • Why depression is not caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, per se (in fact, there has not been a single study to prove that common myth)
  • How part of the problem is that our lifestyles have outpaced our evolution
  • The common, toxic culprits in our homes, medicine cabinets and kitchens
  • The powerful trio of tools you can use to radically change your mental, emotional and physical well being

Plus so much more.

A VERY IMPORTANT NOTE: This interview with Dr. Brogan represents her perspective, philosophy and experience. While many people have benefitted greatly from her protocol, it  may not be the best approach for you.

The tips shared here are not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, treatments, or diagnosis. We encourage you to always seek the advice of your doctor or healthcare professional before changing treatments or taking on a new health care regimen.

Our intention is to help you become aware of ideas and possibilities to consider as you craft your own path to a healthy, vibrant life.

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Now, we’d love to hear from you. From all that Dr. Kelly Brogan shared…

What’s one thing you can start doing today to take control of your overall health?

It can be in regards to anti-inflammatory foods, or one of the other self-healing or natural remedies for depression that we discussed.

Leave a comment below and let us know.

Remember, share as much detail as possible in your reply. Thousands of incredible souls come here each week for insight and inspiration, and your story may help someone else have a meaningful breakthrough.

Important: share your thoughts and ideas directly in the comments. Links to other posts, videos, etc. will be deleted as they come across as spammy.

Also, from having covered this topic before (a spiritual approach to dealing with depression), I’m well aware that this can be a sensitive and highly controversial topic.

Respectful dialog is always welcome, while inflammatory, ill-natured or simply unkind comments will be removed.

When it comes to our health and well being, I agree wholeheartedly with Dr. Kelly Brogan. We do need a new paradigm. One of the best ways to heal the mind is to heal the whole body.

Nothing is more important than our health. Please share this post with anyone you know who wants a holistic approach to healing chronic stress, fatigue, and brain fog as well as depression.  

Thank you, for reading, watching and sharing your voice.

With so much love,

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  1. Yes! Yes! Yes! Thank you for creating this life changing content, Marie! This is extremely wise council to partner with your doctors and also take your health into your hands. I was diagnosed years ago with epilepsy and was told that it could only be controlled with medication. During that time, I was also experiencing brain fog and mild feelings of depression and purposelessness. My doctors were doing what they were trained to do through tests and treatment, however when taking the meds, my body screamed at me “hell-no!”. It was so “loud” that I made the decision to wean myself off the medication against the counsel of my Dr. This was a personal decision and I knew that I was risking complications. Intuitively I knew there was something else and that God was ultimately getting my attention for my good. I took initiative to learn about health- seek holistic professionals and through this process it was healthy eating, exercise, yoga and meditation that became my healing balm- truly God healed me back to health. Today I am on no meds. I am also a licensed professional therapist and can attest to the value and truth that Dr. Brogan is sharing through my own experience and it is completely in alignment with the counsel I give to my clients. Thank you for diving into this very important topic that so many of us can use.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s so great to hear, Jenna! I’m so glad you trusted your gut and that you’re healthier and happier as a result. Go you!

      • Thank you for sharing this Jenna
        It’s a story of courage and inspiration! It makes me feel grateful.
        Thank you

      • Madeleine

        Hi Marie,

        Thank you so much for this brillint post!

        Does Dr Brogan suggest organic, free range meat as the best meat to eat? There has been reports that the hormones in meat (similar to dairy) could negatively impact our health?

        Thank you,

    • That is truly great to hear you are no longer on medication and your health has become paramount for not only you, but also your clients. Thank you for your support on behalf of Dr. Brogan.

    • Raygan Crosson

      Hi Jenna,
      In December 2015, I had my first seizure, and since then it has been a roller coaster ride. Ups and downs. I’m now seeing my second neurologist, it seems they want to manage the disease with medication, and not figure out what triggers the seizures whether it be diet or stress or both. Do you have any advice you could offer, books, blogs, etc? I would love to ask you some questions if you’re up for it.

      • Hi Raygan,
        Thank you for sharing and I’m sorry to hear about your ups and down. I have so much hope for your health and wellness. My experience with this was life-changing. I was going from test to test and the meds impacted almost every area of my life (mostly for the extreme negative). The tipping point landed me on my knees having a conversation with God. From there slow, but sure progress started happening. During my experiences, I kept a journal and tracked my symptoms closely. Ultimately I made the decision that my symptoms from meds were worse that the worst possible outcome my docs gave me. I started with a cleanse and slow food reintroduction to rule out food sensitivities. I started meditating daily- I was a newbie and started with a CD. Slowly I started introducing more exercise and healthier work/life boundaries. I went to a chiropractor and acupuncturist and I also started surrounding myself with awesome resources (like Marie and the work of Dr. Covey) that encouraged me and helped me shift some of my ‘fixed’ mindset. Also got myself back on track with prayer and living more authentically. I still grasp for the junk food and find that carving in space for meditation isn’t always easy, but it IS so much easier than the alternative. Raygan- make some small shifts toward health- God doesn’t make it too complicated for us. Stick with basics. You don’t have to stop the traditional treatment yet, but I believe that movement toward Dr. Brogan’s advice here will be so helpful.
        Many blessings to you!

        • Raygan

          Thank you, Jenna, for your encouraging words. They are much appreciated!

  2. Thanks for this conversation …the holistic approach certainly has been documented to help with depression as well as other diseases. I was disappointed in Dr. Brogran food plan. According to the Physicans Committee of Reponsible Medicine, a vegan diet is recommended for depression and many illnesses. It also certainly does less harm to the planet, nonviolent lifestyle, as well as being extremely healthy. The basic concepts were good in this video, I would have liked more food balanced approach.

    • Hello Dorothy, Dr. Brogan’s dietary reset as she discusses in her book, A Mind of Your Own, is a Balanced Carnivore approach as taken by revolutionary cancer doctor, Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez. Dr. Brogan believes that the body and mind needs the nutrients from animals to repair and survive. She is also aware that many have taken the vegan approach to vitality.

      • Elizabeth Theriault

        Thank you for acknowledging this piece of the talk. I wanted to write about so many things(!) but will do so, hopefully briefly and in an organized fashion, below:
        1. Thank you for sharing this interview for those of us who want to feel relief from the ambiguous “fog” as well as relief from depressive symptoms but want to work on it outside of the “conventional” allopathic method. I am a pediatrician and completely agree that mental health (an most other aspects of health, honestly) do not fit within the allopathic approach for treatment of symptoms and “absence of disease.”
        2. Specifically, thank you for bringing up the question or thought provoking comment that lead to “having a therapeutic relationship with your doctor”. I am allopathically trained as a pediatrician but in medical school I participated in a track that also educated me on Integrative Medicine. I often am asked what that means in my practice. Really what it has done is opened my mind to the fact that health is not the absence of disease. The most important aspects of it are the things we do every day (what we eat and dont eat, our sleep pattern, how we handle relationships, every day stressors, and day to day tasks -whether we perceive them as stressful or not). Notably we usually do not usually seek medical attention for these as adults unless there is a big problem. But as a pediatrician this is the foundation of my wellness visits with families and I am blessed to have the opportunity to weave this into my anticipatory guidance. I agree that you should not have to fight with your doctors about how important these aspects of treatment and health are. If your doctor isn’t open to these details then it is important to recognize that (1) their treatment may not be what you need at all or (2) it will likely be limited. If you choose to stay with that person its important to share they ways you feel that these other life changes affected your diagnosis. Hopefully it will help them understand that treatment of these processes is more than just through a prescription and that sometimes the prescriptions (be them over the counter or controlled) may actually do harm.
        3. I specifically will plan to think twice (even more than I already do as usually I try to uncover the reason for symptoms) now before recommending things I previously saw as benign – such as Tylenol or Motrin for pain (I already try to discourage its use for fever!). This was/is part of my persistent partial blindness/bias as an allopathically trained doctor! Of course we can provide temporary relief but at what cost long term. This is helping me to broaden my thinking about this hidden “cost”.
        4. I am glad that you all acknowledged that there are vegan tracks for these dietary interventions but I admittedly love meat and am encouraged by a track that may allow some amounts of animal products. Some of the studies I have seen about vegan diets actually noted that consuming less than 20% of your monthly protein as animal products still showed overall decreases in the level of resting inflammation in your body (ie limiting animal products to maybe a small amount once a month may still be alright overall). Does Dr Brogan have any comments on this? Clearly she chose a different path (which is remarkable given her history with vegetarianism) but I am wondering her thoughts on in it general (especially since she notes that she uses ghee which she states removes some of the inflammatory parts of this otherwise animal product). I do plan to read her book but it might be nice to share this for others who are curious and may not.

    • Thank you for this comment, dear Dorothy. I was also very disappointed in Kelly’s food recommendations. Neal Barnard, Michael Gregor, Brian Clement, and Gabriel Cousins, to name just four of a long list of awesome and conscientious doctors, have had great success in treating people with vegan diets for all kinds of allegedly chronic and life-threatening diseases, including depression. Please inform yourselves about these and other vegan doctors, their recommendations, and success stories. Read Will Tuttle’s “World Peace Diet,” watch “Cowspiracy” and “What the Health” and “Forks Over Knives.” You can heal through a healthy vegan life style (lots of fresh greens, ginger, and turmeric are in order), meditation, exercise, yoga, gratitude, and forgiveness. We need not harm our fellow earthlings in order to become healthy. In fact, harming them also harms us, physically and emotionally and spiritually. Check out my heroine Kris Carr’s work. Her work and message are amazing and she is 100% plant-based for both ethical and health reasons. Her books and products are inspiring and helpful. May you and all our fellow earthlings be happy and may we all contribute to the healing of our earth. Love from Friderike

      • Tracy Fredericks

        Thank you Friderike Hirsch-Wright. I agree with your point I was also going to make it but I won’t since you already have.

      • I agree that the basic concepts are solid, except I cannot do a 30 day diet that includes animal products. I read the article on avoiding dogma and have to disagree with several of the ideas. On many counts day to day, I plead to being a hypocrite and that’s because I’m not yet aware of certain facts. However, I think for myself as all my family would attest. My background is in medical science, though I had to educate myself in nutrition. The western medical field has only recently embraced a holistic approach to health, yet, still, most physicians know very little about nutrition.

        As to eating animals, I stopped when I was in high school and I’m in my mid-60’s now. I do respect that in the article you state ‘pasteured red meat’ is acceptable for the diet, though that won’t work for me. I cannot take an animal’s life and then eat it. It’s not right for me. And with factory farming, the horrendous cruelty is unacceptable as are the drugs and GMO diets they’re fed. I wouldn’t take that misery into my body and call it nourishment.

        I agree with Friderike, that there are highly reputable doctors and others, like Kris Carr, who have shown the benefits of a vegan diet and are advocates for animal rights. Each specialist with their particular beliefs and opinions has something of value to contribute. Not all will advocate ingesting animals. There are increasing numbers of professional and Olympic athletes (including dancers) who are vegans. Their examples indicate that animal products are not a requirement for strength and endurance and excellent health.

        Each person must make ethical, spiritual personal choices about consuming or not consuming animals so I’m also disappointed in the diet aspect.

        I found that gluten has a negative effect on me and I most often stay away from alcohol. I buy my food at the Farmer’s Market or in the organic fresh food section and I stay away from processed ‘food-like’ substances in boxes. I always study labels and shopping sometimes takes me a long time! Food is medicine and it deserves educated thought before eating.

        I can’t remember when I didn’t do yoga or tai chi and I dabbled in meditation. Most of my life, I had problematic asthma since my parents were heavy smokers. When I got serious about meditation 8 years ago, I quit all asthma medications and as well, I haven’t had a sniffle or a flu-like illness since then. (That’s quite an accomplishment when teaching university. Students like to share their viruses!) If I sense something coming on, I simply meditate and ask for all my healing powers to restore me to equilibrium. It always works.

        From my own experience, I can appreciate all that was presented. But on a health, ethical and spiritual level, I’m not embracing an animal diet.

      • Laura

        1)Veganism is not a one-size-fits-all solution or option, as I once thought. I tried it, a “very clean and nutritious” highly raw vegan diet. My health improved at some degree but after a while –mostly the mental part– was getting worse and worse.
        It was until I became more in touch with myself, through meditation and yoga basically, and thanks to inspiring people like Marie Forleo and Kelly Brogan, that I could really challenge and shift the self-harm mindset paradigms I was holding inside the –increasing– insanity, and wake up. So I’m lowering the carbs amount, started to introduce eggs and shellfish and I can feel really much better.
        (Sources on this topic: and
        2) Veganism is not natural or sustainable, having to buy supplements or plastic boots is far from sustainable and environmental friendliness! Also most vegans are privileged class people, mostly white, mostly first-world-country city inhabitants who are very often unaware of the human exploitation, animals threatened or killed and by-product pollution behind the products or produce they comfortably buy.
        (Sources on this other point:

        Could be healthier, more ecologically responsible and conscious towards living beings wellness in general to eat locally grown animal products than “vegan” food. Also I find really harmful to themselves and others the way vegan harass others who don’t follow their beliefs, trying to impose dogma and false assumptions.

        • Laura

          I edited and posted a new version of this answer, you could delete this one n.n

      • Laura

        1)Veganism is not a one-size-fits-all solution or option, as I once thought. I tried it, a “very clean and nutritious” highly raw vegan diet. My health improved at some degree but after a while –mostly the mental part, ADHD, OCD, anxiety, etc.– was getting worse and worse.
        It was until I became more in touch with myself, through meditation and yoga basically, and thanks to inspiring people like Marie Forleo and Kelly Brogan, that I could really challenge and shift the self-harm mindset paradigms I was holding inside the –increasing– insanity, and wake up for my needs. So I’m lowering the carbs amount, started to introduce eggs and shellfish and I can feel really much better.
        (Sources on this topic: and
        2) Veganism is not natural or sustainable, having to buy supplements or plastic boots is far from sustainable and environmental friendliness! Also most vegans are privileged class people, mostly white, mostly first-world-country city inhabitants who are very often unaware of the human exploitation, animals threatened or killed and by-product pollution behind the products or produce they comfortably buy.
        (Sources on this other point:

        Could be healthier, more ecologically responsible and conscious towards living beings wellness in general to eat local, organically grown animal products than “vegan” food. Also I find really harmful to themselves and others the way vegan harass others who don’t follow their beliefs, trying to impose dogma and false assumptions.

        • Girl from Oz

          I agree that Veganism may not suit everyone, however, a lot of leading physicians are now seeing huge benefit in asking their patients to adopt a Vegan diet. Having said that, I think optimum health is affected by a great many factors – only one of which is diet. I’ve suffered from depression as a carnivore, then as a vegetarian and now as a vegan. I feel I’ve eaten pretty healthily all my life (whether I was eating small amounts of animal products or not). For me, I’ve put it mostly down to heredity. I also have both meat-eating and vegan friends that suffer from serious depression and anxiety. I think we need to be careful when blaming a Vegan diet for causing ailments or aggravating existing diseases or conditions. This kind of talk could potentially scare off others, that might otherwise experience great health benefits from eating that particular way. I think the only thing that can be agreed upon is (as already mentioned!) that we’re all so different & what works for one, won’t be optimal for another!

      • Martina

        I’m so happy to see these comments – also a fellow vegan… I enjoyed the theory, but could never get behind such high-oil, meat-filled food plan. Perhaps the bulk of positive change is happening to her clients because of ditching all the other irritants (dairy, wheat, coffee and medications)…

      • Not everyone thrives on the same diet. The same way that not everyone thrives in the city, at the same job or in the same kind of relationship. There have many studies the have proven the benefit of grass-fed, organic, pasture raised meat and bone brother. There are many people who thrive on a plant-based and citrus diet. We’ve all evolved differently and have different needs.

  3. I’ve been vegetarian since i was 12 years old, and vegan for 5 years now, i can feel when i eat sugar that my mind goes all stressed. Thing is, it seams that the less i eat things the more sensitive my body becomes. So in the end, i assume i’ll end up eating only fruits… i wonder…

    • I have experienced the same thing as I have moved to a whole food plant based diet from the standard American diet. I am much more sensitive to some foods. I had an experience that is funny in retrospect. My daughter and I laugh now. We were running errands and I ate a rice crispy treat (delicious, btw). 15 minutes later I was in a horrible mood… and I knew why. But it was too late. I am definitely more sensitive to sugar.

      • marian Crole

        yes, interesting. Have you experienced your body calling for some food?

    • Diana

      there’s definitely a trade-off to becoming “cleaner” and more sensitive. i think we’re taking those trade-offs on in an effort to get humanity back on a naturally evolving path. future generations will thank us?

    • Sara

      I’ve had a similar experience – becoming more sensitive as I have eliminated dairy, eggs, and wheat from my diet. Since so much of this is “listening” to your body, I imagine that when I was eating these things (plus lots of processed foods), there was a lot of noise/static coming from my body. Now that I’ve eliminated them, I can hear the little sounds my body makes when a little gluten sneaks into my day.

  4. incredible! thank you for sharing such invaluable, life-changing info, Marie. as a psychotherapist, I am constantly suggesting that depression is a gift….an invitation to examine our health and lifestyle. love, love, love how Dr. Brogan relates the info. Change needs to happen. Her messages will get us there.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Awesome, Jodi! I’m so glad you’ve seen successes reframing depression in your own practice too. Thanks for watching!

    • yes, interesting. Have you experienced your body calling for some food sometimes?

    • Thank you Jodi for your kind words. Change needs to happen and once we educate ourselves about our body and mind, we’ll all be more successful in dealing with our health.

  5. constanza

    me encantaría que este la opción de subtitulos en español.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      There is a way to get subtitles in Spanish, so I’ll email you shortly with some tips! 🙂 // Hay una manera de obtener subtítulos en español, por lo que le enviaré un correo electrónico en breve con algunos consejos! 🙂

      • Pienso lo mismo Constanza. Hace mucho que pido la opción de subtítulos en español. Sería genial poder compartir estas entrevistas maravillosas con amigos y familiares que no hablen inglés.
        Great interview! Thanks to Marie and Dr. Brogan for all the valuable info.

        • Mandy - Team Forleo

          Hi Florencia! I just emailed you with some tips on getting the subtitles in Spanish. 🙂 // Hola Florencia! Acabo de enviarle un correo electrónico con algunos consejos sobre cómo obtener los subtítulos en español. 🙂

  6. Eve

    I actually have taken the first step already; 3 days ago I downloaded a meditation app (Headspace) on my phone and have committed to do the first 10 days. It’s finally a voice and accent that doesn’t irritate me 😀
    It’s my B-day next Monday and I’m thinking to ask my Hub to give me the subscription as a present, as he always likes to get me one.

    Likely the next step is to start eating a nourishing breakfast (again). January and the first couple of weeks in Feb I did great but then I fell off the wagon…

    • Love Headspace! It’s my daily meet-up with Andy, hihi. Happy birthday! I hope you get that present 😉

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Go you, Eve, and happy early birthday! 🙂

    • Eve, this is an awesome start to a better body and mind. Dr. Brogan shares in a few blog posts how a few minutes a day of meditation can change your life, just as it has for her. In the following blog posts, Dr. Brogan explains how meditation can change your mental health.
      Silent Meditation Benefits Our Mental Health –
      Sadhana –
      Kundalini: Change your life in 12 Minutes a Day –

      We hope you find these helpful and your husband will get you the birthday gift you want. Happy Early Birthday!

    • Rosa partipilo

      That’s the problem with any diet!! You always 100% fall off the wagon. Over and over again!! I try and try. Spend a lot of money but then life happens and I’m back to square one. Yup!! Life happens!! So good luck to you ladies out there who are strong and can survive anything!!! I’m still going to try looking after myself in any case. I’ve already taken myself off anti depression meds. That’s a plus for me! 😊

      • Eve

        Here’s my take on diets: I’ve lost more than 200 lbs over the years and that’s the only reason I have never been overweight. I spent a half of every year between 1986 and 2005 on a strict diet, measuring every f*n bite I took so that I can lose the excess weight I had gained while living the other half kinda “normal life” like other people who don’t need to watch every bite – until…
        I actually ditched every-single-thing that says light or fat-free and went high-fat-low-carb. Easiest, most beneficial diet of my life.

        And this was over 10 years ago. But the real peace with my body I made when I started training to compete in a sport at the age of 40 in 2011. That’s when performance became meaningful as the sole measurement. I’m still not gaining weight regardless what I eat – however I have other, far more annoying symptoms I should get rid of (it’s a mystical rash inside my mouth and it’s been going on for 16 months now). Sometimes I do things “right” and they improve. Sometimes it doesn’t matter what I do, it doesn’t seem to make a difference. Ones step forward. Six on the spot. One step back. The sh*tty part is I don’t know what the “right” is.
        And yet, what I want to improve is the performance and this thang is kinda making that more difficult.
        I’ve cut everything I love from my diet – one by one – and it’s still not going away in a few weeks or even a few months.

        Have I given up? Nope.
        Right now I believe that getting back to what I did in Jan that kinda speeded up the process will make me (at least) feel better about myself again – but likely not “healthy”.

        BTW, when it comes to depression – I’m not a stranger to that topic either. Only my crash was almost 20 years ago and the truth is, it was one of the best things ever happened to me. What I learned from it is this: If you want the great big joys, you’re gonna have to deal with the great big pains, too. It’s the full scale on both ends and no cherry picking – sorry.

        I was on the medication, but only a short while simply because I wanted the great big happy moments back. Later it turned out, most of my mood swings that had led me to some pretty stupid decision making in the past (in my 20’s) could have been prevented by the LCHF diet.

        I could write a book about this, but I don’t think this is the place to publish it…

        • Eve

          ..oh and thank you so much Rosa, Mandy and Kelly Brogan Team for you kind words! 💕

  7. Great topic but I’ll have to disagree with Dr. Kelly Brogan.
    Having dealt with depression (not being depressed, but deep depression. There is a difference), yes I do agree that taking care of your body is a great way to help. Exercise, eating right, etc.

    Medication did help me and no, I don’t have to take it for the rest of my life. 🙂

    And having a brother with mental illness, seeing what it has done to him and my family – I don’t think can be attributed to an inflammatory issue.

    Some will agree, some will disagree. I’ll just leave it at that.

    • Beverly Lambert

      You are so right Yolanda! So glad to read your response. Eating a clean diet is great, but healing a severe depression, I doubt it. She never once mentioned understanding why the extreme sadness. Was there abuse of any kind it your life, childhood, feeling trapped, have you lost a loved one, maybe more than one, money struggles, a divorce, because, a clean diet may help you to a degree, but is not going to heal depression. Prayer is a huge healing source. But sometimes you just got to feel and process why you’re depressed and cry, hurt, talk it out, and, stay away from sugar and alcohol. Dr. Kelly Brogan’s suggestions were far to simplistic to heal a true depression.

      • Jennifer Greathouse

        I know it may be hard to believe. I wouldn’t have believed how profoundly our mental state is affected by the foods we eat until I experienced it myself. My entire family on my mothers side suffers from mental disease. A few severe enough for hospitalization and sterilization. I was diagnosed as Bi Polar with Borderline Personality Disorder at the age of 14 and tried so many different treatments. It was until trying a keto diet for weight loss (no grains/no sugar/high fat) that I ever experienced true relief. Now I’m 2 years back into eating a standard diet and I’m as miserable and deeply depressed and disturbed as I’ve ever been.
        Just because it sounds simple, doesn’t mean it can’t work. You even site prayer as a powerful tool but to me that’s just talking to yourself. How can you think doing nothing would be more effective than changing the fuel source for your entire being?

      • Hello Beverly, thank you for sharing your thoughts on Dr. Brogan’s approach. We encourage you to visit her website and/or read her book, A Mind of Your Own for a full understanding of her practice and how her approach has changed lives

        Have a great day!

    • Bara

      I agree with you Yolanda and I find some of the stuff Dr. Brogan said alarming and dangerous. I thank myself every day that I went to see an “old school” doctor when I started to have weird sensation in my tongue. Everybody told me to change diet, gluten, diary… You name it.
      My doctor sent me to MRI of my brain. They found a huge malignant tumor. I had an operation almost immediately. And now, almost 2 years later, I am still alive and had no regrowth (thanks God).
      And some people who suffer from depression can easily commit suicide when they stop taking medication. And as you said, the new medication is designed not only to suppress the depression but to heal the brain and so the depression doesn’t come back.

      I am very disappointed in Marie Forleo. She is a bussiness guru but definitely not a health guru.

      • Sarah

        Agree. I find much of what is said to be insulting and potentially dangerous to those suffering from depression. Taking control of your own health and being empowered are great things (I meditate, eat well etc.), but to claim that they alone are enough to “cure” serious conditions is misleading at best. Disappointed to see this being given a platform here and have unsubscribed.

      • Erin

        How does this medication heal the brain? I would like to see the proof of that! Pharmaceutical companies are more interested in life long customers than healing us. These medications are hell to get off and you must do VERY slowly but the best thing I’ve ever done for myself.

    • Rosa partipilo

      I agree with you.

    • Pam

      You are right, Yolanda.

      I have suffered from severe, recurrent depression for fifty years, first suicide attempt at 13, multiple hospitalizations.

      Healthy diet, happy body, everything going for me, then boom, depression hits. Runs in both sides of my family.

      Depression is dangerous, and I am tired of people claiming you can just fix it yourself. I tried that route. My mother tried that route. Then when it doesn’t work because you have a hereditary disease, you think you are a failure and the depression just gets worse.

      In fact, I had suicidal thoughts every day for at least ten years. I had two well-thought-out plans, and I rehearsed them every day. Finally last summer I decided to try ECT. IT FREED ME from the daily suicidal ideation. You have no idea the burden that has been lifted. I thank God for meds and ECT.

      DIY efforts to alleviate depression are useless when you are in a severe depression. You can’t eat well when it’s all you can do to pour yourself a beverage. You can’t exercise when you are so paralyzed by depression that you can’t move off the couch.

      This approach is dangerous to severely depressed people.

      • Thanks for sharing, Pam. I agree with you 100%.

        This is a hot topic and I certainly don’t disagree with some of what Dr. Brogan said. If her methods have worked for some people and they can help themselves DIY, great. Living with depression/mental illness is horrible and I don’t wish that upon anyone.

        I am not going to stop following Marie Forleo over this. We’re all different and that’s ok.

  8. Courtney Johnson

    This was incredible! Exactly what I needed to see. Recently my Mum’s health has taken a turn for the worse and I’ve just been in a fog, I’m always tired and I just feel overwhelmed. I’ve done lots of research over the years so I have a general understanding of what I need to do, so I look forward to reading Dr. Brogan’s book and using her as my guide to actually follow through. Thanks, Marie!

  9. Susanne

    Thank you. Great, I couldn’t agree more. You are two very lovely, heartful women. Hugs, kisses and blessings to you. Let’s wake up all together 🙂

  10. Hi everyone and thank you for your comments! I know this is a really sensitive subject, and as someone who absolutely used to believe in the chemical imbalance theory and the notion of medication as the only legit option, trust me, it’s shocking stuff what I have learned since my deep dive into the medical literature. But this approach has offered outcomes that were NEVER possible when I was prescribing medication. Check out some of our outcomes. Here’s one of Bipolar disorder, another of Depression, and another of super debilitating hormonal imbalance . And these are just some of the women willing to come on camera! ; )
    The science to support my claims is all in the book A Mind of Your Own (the first chapter is free here and the roadmap for more support is in our online program Vital Mind Reset ( We also have all of the material from both for free on our site.
    As for veganism – as a former vegetarian, here’s more on what changed my mind!

    Women deserve to know ALL of the options before deciding what is best for them, so thank you for your courage in exploring!

    • Thank you for sharing your information. I have been eating ‘Paleo’ for over 20 years but now that I’m in my early 50th my (many) symptoms were getting worst. I stumbled across the Medical Medium protocol which I’ve been following for 6 months now. I feel so much better but include some organic animal protein (wild fish, lean meats) and some healthy fats (coconut and olive oil, avocado).
      The trend is to move towards being vegan and vegetarian (for obvious reasons) but I wish people would be educated to the fact that some grass fed meat/beef and sustainable fish are really very necessary.
      In terms of mental health, which I’ve had my fair share of, I don’t believe in medication at all!! Even at my worst when I had acute panic attacks and depression (blood sugar imbalances played a big role) I never took one pill. It’s (initially) the harder road but the one with longevity and filled with gratitude and learning.
      I’m glad I found you and your book! Thank you Marie.

      • Diana

        what are the main differences between Paleo and Medical Medium protocol?

        • The 1st Medical Medium book was written for people with chronic and mystery illnesses. I diagnosed myself with help of that book and would benefit from eating very little or no animal protein and no- or very low fat.

          Too complicated to explain here. You can read about my journey on my blog:

          • Diana

            THANK YOU! I loved reading that.

      • Thank you Tina! We’re so happy to hear that you figured out what you needed to do for your health without the use of prescription medication. Education plays a vital role in being healthy and you implementing grass fed meat and sustainable fish is great to hear. Dr. Brogan’s dietary reset is a Balanced Carnivore diet from the revolutionary cancer doctor, Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez. We hope to hear more about your journey. Have a great day!

        • Safa

          I am not comfortable with the fact that you keep saying that ‘Dr. Brogan’s dietary reset is a Balanced Carnivore diet from the revolutionary cancer doctor, Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez.’ I have done a lot of research on Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez and he prescribed diets for treating cancer based on either the patient’s autonomic nervous system. So he would prescribe a plant based diet for some of his patients and for others a high meat diet.

          Not disclosing this fact to the viewers can be potential harmful as people should be given the whole information to make an informed decision on their health. This makes me very sad.

      • Laura

        I don’t agree at all that meat is an essential part to this kind of healing- as I have worked with and witnessed many who have benefited greatly from eliminating animal products altogether. I do understand that this is a tricky subject, but, I think we really need to take into consideration when we say things like “grass-fed” and “sustainable” these labels mean very little. Many would argue that sustainable fishing doesn’t even really exist any more. And while “grass-fed” certainly sounds better than “soy and grain fed” the conditions in which meat are processed in this country are atrocious, regardless of what the animals eat, and the health of Americans has suffered for it, greatly (Not to even mention the environmental impacts). I hear folks trying to argue that organic and small local farm meat is the way to go, and I can appreciate that sentiment but this completely alienates anyone who doesn’t live in a community where that’s an option. I think this needs to be a bigger conversation where all factors are addressed.

        • Tracy Fredericks

          Thank you Laura for that clarification.

  11. Julia

    While this interview is framed in helping people with their treatable mental illness, I actually think it is quite dangerous to send the message that depression can be managed with simple changes in diet, or that medication cannot help.
    As someone who dealt with serious mental illness most of my adult life- which was an inherited disease going back generations in my family- I can say that medication- the right medication- saved my life. Therapy was also very helpful. There is no shame in either.
    If anyone is in crisis, dealing with serious depression or anxiety, or is feeling suicidal, there is help. The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline is 1-800-273-8255.

    • I’m totally with you! Medication can be lifesaving, and I do hope this episode hasn’t made anyone on it for mental illness feel ashamed of being on it either. Also, smart thinking about including the hotline number here!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      There’s no shame in doing what’s best for you, Julia, no matter what that is. We’re just glad that you’re healthier and happier now. And thank you for sharing the Lifeline’s number—I’ve called them myself and am thankful for the good work they do in the world.

      • Team Forleo, you really need to step it up! Just because someone has a MD from a reputable school does not mean they know what they are talking about. Look at where they publish and what current research they are actually doing. Is it a peer reviewed journal? Is their research being seriously tested? What is the view-point of other respected people in the field? It is astounding how many highly educated people don’t seem to understand or respect the scientific method and why it matters! If you look at Kelly Brogan’s own web page, there is a deeply troubling change in her publishing history after 2009. No longer is she publishing in respected journals, but in a holistic Magazine! Pathways to Family Wellness is not a peer reviewed journal! It is published by the International Chiropractic Pediatric association. Good grief! Have you ever looked into the history and “science” of the chiropractic movement? I checked the Price-Potenger Journal, again, a foundation that goes against scientific consensus. I realize our media has been flooded with this psuedo-science that looks real, which is why it is even more important that influential shows like Marie Forleo HAVE to be more careful, please, these are serious health issues at stake as you can see from the comments here from people who have needed help from surgery and medication. Is Big Pharma a problem, and do medical doctors rely too much on it, of course, but there is no reason to throw out proven tools that help people just to promote your damn book, Kelly Brogan. Obviously, I am angry, and that is because my family and myself been sucked in by people like Kelly Brogan. We spent way more money that we could afford on their nonsense, and the result was the early death of both my parents–time spent going to chiropractors, weird diets and taking health supplements delayed diagnosis of both their cancers until they were terminal. Doing your research matters people, go ahead, change your diet if it makes you feel better, but don’t let someone like this keep you from getting the serious help you might need. Please, step it up Team Forleo and please don’t validate and spread more of this fake science by giving it a voice on you show! Thank you.

        • Eva

          I agree. I like watching Marie, but I feel like a lot of the time the program lacks some good scientific skepticism. It’s very important in times when people let naturopaths kill them with turmeric injections (recent story from San Diego). Balanced lifestyle is very important for your health, but it’s not everything. Also, it’s okay to be vegetarian if you take B12. And acupuncture doesn’t work beyond a placebo, no matter what ‘language’ the acupuncturer speaks.

    • BrainsBrainsPlease

      totally agree. If you’ve ever had to live with major depression and mania, you’ll know that medication HELPS.

    • Yolanda Crowley

      I agree, Julia.

      • Bara

        This is a video for healthy people who struggle with some discomfort. Not for really sick people with serious health issues.

    • Beverly Lambert

      Thank you Julia but these comments. & for the hotline. Eating clean is beneficial for everyone. I’ve done this for years, I’ve been way ahead of today’s suggestions on how to eat clean. Exercised for years, always had a great figure. At 41, many truths in my life finally hit me in the face. I had to come to terms with issues that had happened in my life. I was always a “positive” person……read Tony Robbins books that told us to “control our state!” Which I did to a fault and never let anything affect me. Some things in life are supposed to hurt…….and only when you accept this, let the hurt works its beauty, can you move forward and truly heal!!!! Eating right and thinking right, will NOT heal most people.

      • Diana

        the real truth is that resistance causes the physical manifestation of inflammation. i think when we eat clean or “reach for more” in any area of our life, we eventually see which other areas that we are still in resistance to. Being “positive” can be a cover for negative emotions that we’re ashamed of and those blockages will eventually reveal themselves if we choose an awakened path. And it doesn’t always show up as “dis-ease” – sometimes a circumstance that slaps you in the face.

    • Sarah

      I agree. Statements like “medication is opting out of your own journey” are stigmatizing and dangerous (even if they’re not intended to be). Team Forleo may be saying they’re not ‘shaming’ people, but this was not clear from Dr Brogan’s language choice.

      • Pam

        Thank you, Sarah.

        You can’t just eat and exercise yourself out of severe depression.

        A few self-righteous-sounding people posting here who think they have it figured out don’t know what real depression is. They make it harder for those of us who do.

        • Sarah

          As soon as I heard her claim she’d found out the ‘truth’ the alarm bells starting ringing.
          There are many causes of depression (many shades of blue as I like to say) and many many ways back out. There are many types of mental illness too. I’m pretty sure Dr Brogan isn’t treating psychosis or schizophrenia with a darity gluten-free diet.
          Sometimes the way out requires medication – this isn’t an ‘opt out’. It’s a valid treatment for some. Sometimes it even requires ECT. Sometimes there is treatment-resistant depression. Sometimes depression ends tragically in suicide. There are many people who don’t see mental illness as a gift and for whom a 20-minute session of meditation and a smoothie are never going to be the answer, no matter how much they want it to be.
          If only it were that simple for many. I worry discussions like this only make people more fearful about reaching out and asking for help.

    • Rosa partipilo

      Depression hurts !!!

  12. Well, I don’t believe that this lady entirely knows what she’s talking about. Sensitivity to wheat and diary is a sign that your digestive fire has lost its effectiveness due to a poor diet and eating too much processed food. Ancient humans and contemporary humans throughout the world eat wheat and dairy successfully, especially in European countries. It’s our dysfunctional American diet that is causing our bodies to not be able to digest harder to digest proteins. Go see Dr. John Douillard at in Boulder to get accurate information on this issue. I went through that whole gluten-free/dairy-free deal. I fixed my digestion, and I’m back to eating wheat and dairy along with some major diet/lifestyle changes. I’m in agreement with everything else she’s saying regarding inflamation, living too fast, and prescription drug use.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s awesome, Tina! There’s no shame in taking a different approach than what Dr. Brogan has shared––what’s most important is that you do what’s best for you. We’re glad you found what that works for your unique situation.

    • Diana

      Ok, yes. This is major. I’d like to add that, on a spiritual/emotional level, releasing toxic patterns and thoughts will get your digestive fire burning again. You will be “in alignment” and naturally attracted to a well-balanced diet (or drawn to becoming educated about it). I am completely off meds for an autoimmune condition and I definitely eat wheat and dairy. But I also eat a lot of avocado and spinach, etc 🙂 My story: I let symptoms go on too long, I believed the lies about chronic disease and while I knew stress had caused the imbalance, I took the meds. It was so easy…to wake up the very next day with symptoms subsiding. But damn, those meds ended up causing more problems (shingles in MY EYE, hair loss, puffed up face, etc etc). Once i got through the nightmare of tapering off, I was healed and still am to this day. But I believe that it is because WHILE I was on those meds, I cleaned up my emotional life and I also started singing publicly. Getting back into your own authenticity goes a long way toward health. Did I avoid alcohol and eat pretty well in that time and to this day? Sure. But I can have pizza sometimes. Get familiar with Caroline Myss and “Anatomy of the Spirit.” I am certain that Dr. Brogan understands all of this; there probably just wasn’t enough time in the video.

    • Hello Tina,
      Like Mandy said, Dr. Brogan’s approach may not be right for you, and we’re happy that you’ve found the right approach for your health. However, Dr. Brogan’s program has been instrumental in assisting many men and women on their journey as told in their Vital Mind Stories –

  13. Staci

    I love the information in this interview. After several and I mean several doctor’s appointments with no real answers. I took things into my own hands with nutrition, meditation, exercise and essential oils. And i feel more myself than ever, an even better version of myself! This took it a step further for me. Cant wait to read the book!

  14. Kelly

    This totally resonates with me- antidepressants never did anything for me but meditation and spiritual practice led me to looking at what I put into my body which changed my life. I was (and still am) emotional eater but a simple decision to cut refined sugar out of my diet has showed me exactly how important food is to every area of my being. This interview is very much aligned with what I’m exploring- thanks Marie, for introducing Dr.Brogan to us.

  15. I love what Kelly had to say, and feel like it could be a huge game changer, but I have a non-negotiable no redmeat policy in my life. Is it possible to do her program and not eat red meat?

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s a really good question, Brit, and we totally understand not wanting to compromise in this area. Dr. Brogan left a comment above with several resources, including some about food, so that could be helpful in answering this question. There may even be more resources on her website that she didn’t share in her comment. We want you to do what’s best for you, so definitely trust your gut.

  16. I’m so happy with this MarieTV episode. This is something I always felt was right. My body does not lie. Ever. It knows exactly what is needed, if I only learn to listen. Everything is connected, on all levels: mentally, physically, emotionally and spirituality. The sooner our conventional medicine gets this, the better for everyone. Thank you, Marie & Dr. Kelly!

  17. What a great episode Marie! I am a type 1 diabetic and the only one if my family who is. I wasn’t diagnosed until I was 25 and probably suffered from it for about a year before I found out what was going on. I’m told I’m an unusual case. I’ve always been curious what triggered this in my body.
    The one thing that I am going to commit myself too is meditation. I will give myself 3 minutes every morning and try the meditation techniques Kelly suggested. Kelly, do you have any recommendations as to where to find some good beginner guides for this?
    Many thanks to you both!! XOXO

    • *to ; )

      • Hi Rebecca,

        I was also diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes at 25. Anyway, I think a lot of what Dr. Brogan had to say was interesting, but I’d be hard pressed to think we can forego insulin and doctor visits.

        I would recommend Headspace for meditation apps – I appreciate the non-“woo-woo”ness of it, totally accessible, etc.

        Best of luck to you!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Great question! One viewer recommended the Headspace app and I know Oprah and Deepak Chopra just started a free 21-day meditation series on the Chopra Center website. I think the meditations for that are roughly 20 minutes a day. Marie also has a 10-minute meditation that you can get as a free downloadable here:

      • Miranda

        The Calm app is another great meditation option. They have a variety of free content you can try! Good luck!

    • Hello Rebecca,
      Thank you for your support and we’re happy to hear you’re on a healthy lifestyle journey. Dr. Brogan has a wealth of information on her website pertaining to meditation. You can find more information here:
      Kundalini Yoga: Change Your Life in 12 Minutes a Day –

      Sadhana: Best Time to Meditate –
      Silent Meditation for Mental Health –

  18. Mus

    Thank you Marie and Kelly
    This is the first time I have left a comment on your site Marie but this episode resonated with me. I was (mis)diagnosed with bi-polar disorder for 17 years, with extensive pharmaceutical treatment. 2 years ago I initiated an Asperger’s (Autism Spectrum Disorder) assessment, and yes I am a high functioning female Aspie. I slowly omitted all the pharmaceutical treatment, began therapy to understand the relationship between shutdowns/meltdowns to the depression/mania model from a female perspective, and how to work with this as information to build strategies – not be medicated, I have omitted sugar, followed a vegan lifestyle and began really listening to my body. Just over the past 10 days Marie have I been listening to your meditation every morning and it feels just right.
    I cannot cheer loud enough for your empowering approach Kelly, and I agree the body send signals to be understood not silenced. Can’t wait to get your book!

  19. I absolutely love this video. If you would die for your family, then live for today! I wish so many others would hear this message.

  20. Candace Reagan

    I believe wholeheartedly in healing the body naturally, but I have fallen completely off the wagon in the last few years. About 5 years ago, I suffered from ulcerative colitis and migraine headaches. I was overweight, depressed, sick and exhausted. After a couple of extremely painful and embarrassing incidents involving my colitis, I did a couple of things. I started drinking a morning smoothie containing “greens” and I went gluten-free. My colitis was cured and my headaches were virtually gone.

    After my divorce last year, I began putting weight back on and having headaches again. A few things are different. I have started adding in gluten-free products such as bread, crackers and even desserts and I started hormone therapy (testosterone.) I also started adding back in a little gluten here and there. And as I got involved in a romantic relationship, I stopped exercising, yoga and started drinking more often. I know, I know.

    I feel and look tired and fat. My boyfriend was an ironman and triathlete, but we have both become lazy and unhealthy. (Except of course, he is still thin.) I can’t wait to get your book and get my health back on track. Thank you!

  21. I was diagnosed with 10 different mood disorders and cycled through 10 different psychiatric medications before healing myself deeply and completely with the approach that Dr. Brogan outlines in her book. I used to be extremely skeptical of mind-body approaches to mental health, and I was very convinced that there was something chemically “wrong” with my brain. I recently wrote a guest post for Dr. Brogan that details my healing journey, as well as the beliefs that I had to change when I embraced this paradigm.

    If you are doubting (but curious!), I encourage you to give it a read. I am living proof that this is absolutely life-changing.

  22. Vetrel Smith

    Totally get where she is coming from but I think it’s important to acknowledge that people should be told to continue to take their meds unless directed by their PC provider. Too many people already don’t want to take their meds but struggle even harder at making lifestyle changes. Maybe more support via her blog or live chat would help. Also nothing here for vegans so maybe that’s another presenter, but I did save this to my favorites. 😊

    • Lauren H

      I totally agree. I screamed internally when I read the part about depression not being caused by chemical imbalances. That sends the wrong message that you can cure your depression simply by not being sad! Meds are really helpful for a lot of people, and their effectiveness shouldn’t be undermined.

      • Mandy - Team Forleo

        We would never shame anyone for taking medications when that’s what works best for them. If they’re working for you, definitely trust your inner wisdom and keep doing what helps you stay healthy and happy. Dr. Brogan’s approach is just one of many valid ways to reclaim your health, but what’s most important is that you do what’s right for your unique situation.

  23. I’ve found the following books invaluable as well as Kundalini yoga: The Depression Cure, Unstuck, and Writing to Heal. I’ve worked through a good deal of trauma with writing therapy as well as conventional. Also Love Sense discusses attachment theory and it’s contributions to human emotional health. Going through grieving my dad, from whom I have a bit of an attachment disorder, has been really hard, but taking steps to care for and connect with myself and others in an authentic way has really helped. I think I need to return to more consciousness in my diet, and I look forward to reading your book. Thanks for this valuable interview. One more book of interest – The Gift of Pain discusses a leprosy doctor’s life lessons learned through people who very literally can’t feel pain.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      These all sound like great reads, Rachel! I’m so glad they’ve helped you on your journey. Thank you for sharing. 🙂

    • Hi Rachel,
      That sounds great that you’ve found the tools to assist you on your journey of health. Dr. Brogan’s book, A Mind of Your Own – is another great read. We hope you find it helpful on your journey.

    • Marjorie

      I searched for Kundalini yoga: The Depression Cure but could not find it. Is there an author you could share. Thank you!

  24. Kelsey

    After watching this, does anyone have recommendations of a podcast that talks about this topic?

  25. Thank you so much for this!
    My path started with meditation many years ago, but only in the past 6 months have I seriously focused on food as a pathway to both mental and physical wellbeing. I found many of the comments to be wonderful confirmations of what I’m learning from the inside out. ❤️

  26. This timing of this post is uncanny for me: it is Day 1 of my Whole 30. I did it several years ago and it proved the point that food is medicine. Unfortunately I very gradually slipped back into old habits–it’s so easy when certain foods are actually addictive–and I’m at a point where body is demanding change. Thanks for this talk with Dr. Brogan; I’ll be sharing and revisiting it myself!

    • Shari

      Congratulations, Christina! It’s great to hear that it worked for you before.

  27. As a registered dietitian, who immerses herself in the science of healthy eating, I feel that a significant amount of information presented in this week’s interview is incorrect.

    • I totally agree with you Liz. I’m an RD as well. Why would Dr. Brogan recommend that people turn to the internet to find nutrition information (or chiropractors?) instead of referring them to a trained nutrition professional? And recommending that people never see a doctor again? Not all illnesses can be cured with lifestyle unfortunately. I usually look forward to watching Marie TV but this episode was really disappointing.

      • Simona

        It seems that you completely misunderstood what Dr Brogan said. For example, she wishes that patients never have to go back to a doctor, that is what it means to cure somebody, so obviously with the same complaints and hopefully with no other either as it is also supposed to be a preventative lifestyle. Nobody was talking about curing all illnesses. And just because you don’t agree with the guest’s views it doesn’t mean that the episode was disappointing. Marie is trying to bring you what she considers to be important information.

      • Bara

        That was alarming. Internet is very dangerous source of information. And can you imagine being depressed, changing diet and starting to exercise? I had one episode of depression when I was 22. Couldn’t get up from my bad most of the time, having hard time leaving the house and I had to stay at ma parents house for a while. In that stage it is difficult to bruch teeth and drink a glass of water. Thanks God for medication. I was off the medication in a year and I never got depression again.

    • Rebekah

      *trigger warning* *I am not trying to offend anyone!* However, I have to point out that Registered Dietitians are trained at traditional money-making universities the SAME way traditional doctors are. Science is constantly changing so why would everything an RD/MD learned in school still be current? I, myself, received a very expensive degree in “Advertising” and it’s sad to realize I have learned more FOR FREE on the internet (from credible sources) on this topic than I learned in college. I believe we should question EVERYTHING we are told including what we learned at prestigious universities. These places are businesses after all. Als0– I heard Dr. Brogan mention in an interview that there is no ONE way to eat- and we are silly to ever think otherwise! I say all of this with love and challenge you to respect the views of others instead of automatically pointing them out as wrong simply because they’re opposing to yours. Sending love & light to you.

  28. Trish Barchuk

    great interview im definalty going to read the book i think you can always learn something from everyone take what may work for you and your body. you dont know what the results would be unless you try something diffrent.

  29. Austen Wilson

    I was concerned about one or two things in the podcast. The rationale of “We know more than doctors. That’s why the internet is there!” is irresponsible. It’s one of the reasons why diseases are making a comeback that had been barely in existence due to vaccines.

    • Katie

      I agree. Telling everyone to go to the internet instead of a doctor is really bad advice.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      You’re right––the internet doesn’t come close to replacing doctors, and it shouldn’t.

      Dr. Brogan was talking about nutritional information specifically and how most med schools don’t spend very much time teaching nutritional medicine, so if someone has studied nutrition, they know more about nutrition than the average doctor. There are obviously many, many more areas of health and medicine that doctors are well-versed in from their medical education and experience with patients.

      I hope that clears up any confusion! We don’t want anyone trying to diagnose themselves with Dr. Google.

    • Maria

      If you knew anything regarding vaccine history, how vaccines actually work, or virology in general you would not make such ignorant comments. Do some research of your own and stop parroting media sound bytes. I suggest reading Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphries.

  30. I have just ordered her book. This is “the” message that has to be adopted by everyone if we are to find that happy, healthy, empowered, living our best life, version of ourselves. There is no room for fear when you feel that you have some control over your state of health. It is time to change the story of what we decide to do about our heath issues. The solution is not in a pill… they are only bandages that can lead to so many other negative situations that we are unaware of because we trust that what is out there is safe and should work. The unfortunate thing is that they can cause more harm than good and leave irreversible consequences.

  31. Mary

    I am pretty upset with this interview and that you are dispersing inaccurate medical information to millions of users that can truly be detrimental. Dr. Brogan is manipulating the “facts” and sounds like a fraud.

    • Diana

      Mary, are you a medical health professional? Can you be more specific about which claims appear fraudulent from your perspective?

  32. Silvia

    Thanks for this great episode! I feel like something is missing from my everyday healthy practice, and after watching this episode, I know what it is. Meditation and more exercise…I will start by practicing the guided meditation with Oprah and Deepak, and once this will be over, I want to continue on my own. Maybe start with small steps, like Kelly suggested, of 3 minutes every day and get to increase it to 45 minutes.
    I hope I can live up to “my” expectations!
    Thanks again and lots of love…

  33. This is definitely an interesting interview! I have lots of thoughts, as someone who’s an avid mental health activist, survivor of long term trauma, and living with mental illness. My business is all about this sort of stuff!

    Firstly, I do want to say there is a lot of wisdom in this episode–I love the idea of reframing mental illness from something stigmatized and shameful to something like a gift. It does give those of us with it a deeper insight into compassion, pain, and many other things that help us connect with others. There are also many practical tools for empowering ourselves to heal and recover, and these are fantastic.

    I do also have some thoughts of (very well meaning) criticism.

    Medication can be something incredibly important for those in recovery. I think there’s this binary that it’s either “oh you’ve given up trying to heal so you’re on medication” or “no medication, so you’re actually healing!” In reality, medication can be a great stabilizer or lifeline when someone is beginning (or even deep within) their healing process. It can be an integral part of working through the greater issues behind mental illness or allowing the person to function if they have a psychiatric disability so they actually can start doing the healing work.

    Opting out of medication can be really detrimental, since medication doesn’t necessarily prevent us from “pulling out the glass” either. The best psychotherapy and psychiatry is a combination of behavioral change and medication for many of us with mental illness.

    I definitely agree that many mental illnesses are caused by specific triggers, but erasing these triggers don’t necessarily stop the mental illness. And the idea that mental illness is a positive bodily response I really love! It’s totally true. As someone with DID (a very stigmatized, but very adaptive, disorder), I completely agree that many mental illnesses are a way of surviving a world we otherwise couldn’t process without it. This happens a lot with traumagenic illness.

    Regarding food, wheat and dairy can be unhealthy for some people, but I don’t think it’s a cure for mental illness necessarily. I personally have to be gluten and dairy free, but still have a mental illness. If cutting these out helps you, of course go for it (and definitely be willing to try!). It’s just important to know it’s not a cure-all for everyone.

    Also, I do disagree with the goal of not seeing a conventional doctor again. Not just because of potential risks, but also the social implication this idea has on people living with disabilities. Society (and statements like this) tell us we’re at our best when we’re free of illness, but not everyone has the ability to reach this state, and this needs to be validated too. It’s okay not to be healed, recovered, or free of illness too. Sometimes our version of wellness is found through accepting this.

    Of course, I totally promote educating ourselves on our own healing! I’m really glad Marie brought up the question about this doctor thing (really appreciated you pointing that out, Marie!). I do know a lot of people who have used these techniques to overcome chronic and disabling conditions, but I also know others who have done all of these things and not had a remission or cure. There are exceptions to everything, which I think is one of the reasons refraining from generalizing is so important.

    (Also I totally agree that educating your doctor can be really frustrating. I wish all doctors had a conventional and holistic background! This is a great point, for sure.)

    As a note to anyone else with mental illness, it’s okay if you don’t recover after 2 weeks of behavioral work. It can take years. Your recovery might mean not being cured, but learning to live a great life with your mental illness. Your progress is the best one for you. It’s fantastic that Dr. Brogan’s clients have had such success (and it’s a beautiful thing she does!), but know that it’s okay if you’re not in that crowd too.

    I love the question on Dr. Brogan’s about page too (and that happiness is something we almost want to toss out). I believe in meaning and faith and hope being these great states, and they are possible with or without any mental illness. Gratitude, yes yes yes!! Totally agree with these points. That’s a wonderful thing! This clarity is great.

    Now, with all of this I don’t want to overlook the benefit of diet, meditation, exercise, not overmedicating, and things like this. But, it’s also important to not blanket all mental illness as a result of these things (or neglect of these). Many (if not all) of us with mental illness have heard “just exercise! Have you tried yoga? Maybe going off medication will help” and phrases like this.

    There was a lot of wisdom in this episode. But, as someone with a mental illness, I do think some of this was alienating too. Parts of it promote a stigma that we can just decide to be cured and that, if we still live with a mental illness, it means we’re not doing the work/that we’re being lazy.

    Dismantling this stigma is something I’m really passionate about, so I do appreciate having the space to comment here. I look forward to reading other thoughts and hearing a collective response to this episode too. Thank you for sharing it, Marie and Dr. Brogan! Even though I don’t agree with everything, this is a great platform to begin a conversation.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      These are all excellent points, Arien! We want people to do what’s best for them, and to do that it helps to be aware of all the options available. We’re not shaming anyone for taking medications. If medications help you stay healthy and happy, we support it. Dr. Brogan’s approach is just one of many valid approaches and like all things medicinal and health-related––it works for some people and doesn’t work for others. The key is finding what works best for your unique situation.

      • Thanks for your comment, Mandy! I totally know that Team Forleo means all the best, and I completely respect that. I think it’s also important to provide this other perspective for other viewers, people with mental illness, and to maybe open up some eyes to a different side of this discussion. I appreciate all your thoughts and I do sincerely appreciate the space to speak about this. 🙂 Best wishes to all of you!

        Andrea, so glad to hear this episode was on point for you! That’s awesome. Your open-mindedness is fantastic as well. I so appreciate your reply!

        • Bara

          I had a malignant huge brain tumor. I was diagnosed because my tongue felt weird (everyone and their mum told me to change diet). My doctor sent me to MRI and saved my life.
          I totally get what you say about the stigma. It is th same for cancer patients.
          “You have to fight. Don’t give up.” I am alive not because I didn’t give up, but because I was lucky and my tumor was in good position for operation. Others did fight and hope and pray and meditate, and they didn’t make it. I feel this is unfair to them.
          The video is for healthy people who have small issues. Not for someone really sick.

          • I’m so glad your tumor was operable! You make a great point about this working for people who may not be struggling with serious illness too. Thanks for sharing, Bara.

    • Andrea

      You make several very important points, Arien. While this episode has been point on for my case, I know that not everyone who sees it is in the same situation. I hope many people read your comments here.

      • Thanks for the reply, Andrea! I’m so glad you found healing in similar ways like this. I totally agree diet and all the other things mentioned are important, for sure! Just not a cure-all. 🙂

    • Jessica

      Arien, thank you very much for your comment criticism of this video. This interview could have been really meaningful and helpful if it were framed in a different way. I actually feel ill watching these two ladies laugh and talk in an upbeat way about how mental illness is a gift. It’s really unacceptable and keeping the deadly stigma alive and well.

      • Hey Jessica! Thanks for sharing your thoughts in a reply to my comment too. I agree about the framing. There are some great bits of wisdom in here, it’s just that the way it was spoken about ended up more exclusive and inclusive. I mean, that stuff happens, so no hard feelings towards Marie or Dr. Brogan, but it’s great that we’re speaking up too! I hope the stigma can powerfully and strongly disappear as soon as possible. Best wishes to you!

        • Jessica Clark

          Thanks for your response, Arien! Forgive me if I can’t agree with you about having no hard feelings. I find it unacceptable for a public figure and a doctor to post a video saying, “Depression is a gift”. The stigma cannot disappear without people with knowledge speaking out against these harmful messages. Once again, this information could have been helpful, but there are many messages here that are too harmful to ignore. I fully support anyone who is dedicating their time to helping people suffering from mental health issues. But, the world must understand that possibly the greatest threat to someone with a mental health issue is the stigma that it’s their fault or that they aren’t eating the right foods.

          • Mandy - Team Forleo

            Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Jessica. We also support anyone who is dedicating their time to helping people suffering from mental health issues. Different things work for different people and Dr. Brogan’s perspective is one among many.

            To clarify, depression itself isn’t a gift and feeling bad isn’t a good thing––our bodies alerting us that something is wrong so we can seek the help we need is the gift. At the end of the day, we encourage everyone to trust their inner wisdom and do what’s best for them. We believe your health and happiness matters and there are many ways to go about that journey.

          • Yes, you do make really good points, Jessica! I guess what I mean is that I still enjoy Marie’s work (so no large hard feelings), but this episode definitely was upsetting to watch. The stigma is so prevalent and it really does come down to public figures to influence this stigma in many ways.

            You have a lot of insight and I’ve really loved reading your comments! As someone who focuses passionately on making personal development more inclusive for people with mental illness, I’ve found this conversation rich with knowledge and understanding.

        • I am SO glad you posted your commentary on this Arien. I was feeling quite upset and disappointed after seeing this episode. There were so many statements that felt dismissive and exclusive.

          Someone mentioned feeling sick after seeing parts of the video, I felt that way too. Many people benefit greatly from medication, including birth control – that part really got to me – saying personality is effected by birth control, then they laughed about it and Dr. Brogan said, “Imagine what your personality could have been like if you kept taking birth control.” Wha?

          So much of this video seemed like it came from a privileged perspective. I totally get the necessity of exercise, diet, mindfulness and creating deeper meaning in life as a way to combat depression – but Dr. Brogan really turned me off. Gratitude is not an “antidote” to depression. It does not counteract or end depression. It’s an attitude that can change our perspective on life. Too may things to quote and list that were just disturbing.

          Thank you for your well thought-out comments on this. They helped me to feel supported, seen and safe.

          • Mandy - Team Forleo

            Thank you for sharing your thoughts and concerns, Ella. You’re right that many people benefit greatly from medication, so we encourage people to do what’s best for them and their unique health situation. Dr. Brogan’s is one approach among many. This is a much broader topic than what’s presented here and this is just one facet of it. For some people, diet changes work well and for others it may not be enough. Others may benefit from a mix of both diet changes and professional help, such as medication, therapy, or other professional help. Knowing all the options can help you decide what’s best for you, and if Dr. Brogan’s approach isn’t it, that’s totally okay.

    • Crystal

      So glad you included this info Arien. I think this interview was full of great information but also potentially dangerous. If someone who is currently taking medication for mental health issues went off their meds tomorrow and started the 30 day diet recommended they could experience some very serious, possibly life threatening results. I was disappointed that at no time did they suggest this would be an unsafe thing for people on meds to do.

      • Mandy - Team Forleo

        Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us, Crystal. There’s no one-size-fits-all approach and we always want you to do what’s best for you. Dr. Brogan’s teachings are one of many options. Medication works for some people, but doesn’t necessarily work for all people, so we support you doing whatever helps you feel healthiest and happiest. Trust your inner wisdom.

      • Hello Crystal, thank you for your comment and Dr. Brogan does NOT encourage anyone to discontinue prescription medication and start the 30 day program. This has to be a discussion with their doctor and supervised by their doctor. Dr. Brogan’s approach may not work for some, but it has worked for many of her patients. These stories are told here:

        • Nikki Hirsch

          This point should’ve been made in the video, not in the middle of 400+ posts on a comment thread. See, this is why Dr. Brogan’s is so polarizing in her field, and this thread is a perfect microcosm of that. Dr. Brogan employs a radical, one-sized-fits-all approach to a debilitating illness that has leveled millions of people. It is cavalier and quite frankly, reckless.

          Are antidepressant medications over-prescribed in our country? Yes. Can some people suffering from mild depression and anxiety sustain amazing relief via nutrition and lifestyle changes? Absolutely. (I should note here that I am a certified holistic health coach). But are there cases of mental illness that involve much more complex factors in the brain? YES. And to suggest otherwise is really disempowering, not to mention irresponsible. I have a few friends, clients and family members whose lives were saved by medication, myself included. It’s the drugs that brought us enough relief to begin therapy and reflect upon patterns of negative thoughts and behaviors that aren’t serving us. It’s the medication that gave us the wherewithal to begin an exercise regime and modify our diets. Personally, I have been strictly Paleo for 4 1/2 years. I meditate. I exercise. I use toxin-free products. I sit on somebody’s couch once a week. I take 47 supplements a day to address methylation and healthy neurotransmitter production. I have even tried Brogan’s kundalini class in Soho. And I still have generalized anxiety disorder. (Not depression I realize but not far off). So how about acknowledging that everybody’s biochemistry is different, and that we still know very little about the complexities of the brain. Some of these tips here are fantastic, but they’re not going to be a panacea for everybody. Neither is a coffee enema like Brogan likes to suggest on her blog. That caveat seems to be perpetually missing from Dr. Brogan’s work. And I don’t fault Maria for this at all – Dr. Brogan should know better.

          • Sarah

            Nikki – EXACTLY this: “This point should’ve been made in the video, not in the middle of 400+ posts on a comment thread. See, this is why Dr. Brogan’s is so polarizing in her field, and this thread is a perfect microcosm of that. Dr. Brogan employs a radical, one-sized-fits-all approach to a debilitating illness that has leveled millions of people. It is cavalier and quite frankly, reckless.”

          • Yes, so true about having it addressed in the video! I think this could have be framed in such a fantastic way, it just unfortunately missed some of the essential caveats that would make this inclusive for people with debilitating illness.

      • Thanks Crystal! I appreciate you reading my comment and replying. I totally agree that (even though it of course wasn’t Marie’s and Team’s intention) this could carry some harm for people currently on psychotropic medication. Hopefully everyone here will be totally fine and absorb the really fantastic things about this interview over the stigmatizing parts.

    • Love your comment, Arien. Mental illness is a personal matter for anyone affected by it, and I feel it’s helpful to take a “yes/and” instead of “either/or” perspective that incorporates all the nuances of this subject without generalizing or assuming everyone to have a similar experience. For some (myself included), getting to the root of one’s mental health challenges is not as simple as making all the lifestyle changes Dr. Brogan discusses, though that may be a good starting point. That said, while medication seems to have helped pull me out of acute crises in the past, I haven’t found the disease model to be helpful overall.

      I find this episode to be a breath of fresh air in terms of honoring the innate intelligence of the body and reframing depression as a doorway (or perhaps more accurately, a cold, narrow and dark passageway) into healing and a deeper, more expansive understanding of the self. Certainly not everyone experiences it that way, though.

      • Thanks, Polly! Totally agree about the yes/and perspective. 🙂 I totally agree that getting to the root, trusting our body’s intelligent, and considering our whole experience from diet to therapy is important for sure. This episode did have lots of wisdom, just unfortunately some limiting stigma too! We do need more conversations about the benefits of these things (since I do think mental illness can be an experience from which insight is drawn), so long as they’re super inclusive too.

    • Thank you Arien was your thoughts. As Mandy-Team Forleo mentioned in her response, Dr. Brogan’s approach has worked for many and there are individuals that don’t see this approach as valid. Dr. Brogan’s approach is health-based and does have research and client testimonials to follow up her approach. Everyone’s physiology is complex and varying, so what works for some, may not for others and that’s ok. As long as we’re all educating ourselves and finding a solution to our individual cases.

      • Hi Kelly! Yes, I totally agree it’s varied. I think there accidentally ended up being some stigmatizing parts of Dr. Brogan’s words in this interview, which created the problematic pieces of it. But, I totally agree with the holistic and dietary approaches as being key to healing for many of us. 🙂

    • Sarah

      Great thoughtful response. I share many of your concerns with how this interview was framed.

    • Tracy Fredericks

      Thank you for your review on this video. I think it was informative and sensitive and speaks from the perspective of those with mental illness as well as someone working with and advocating for the population. It too was painful for me to see the two of them giggling about this topic and implying that one’s diet would make it all go away. My mother was severely mentally ill and it shaped my childhood and ultimately my adulthood. It would have been great if you were sitting in a chair beside the doctor to counterbalance their conversation. In my opinion, Marie should have stayed away from this topic because she is out of her league on this one. This is not a topic that you just take 10 minutes to research online or one that everyone already knows the answer too like she usually addresses this really affects people’s lives in a life or death way. Anyway, thank you for providing a voice for a group of people that are sometimes seen as voiceless.

      • Tracy, thank you so much for your response. I do agree that this is something that takes carefully considered research and attention to accurate approach, and I do feel Marie’s work would have been better (or at least more inclusive) without this episode. I LOVE Marie’s work, just this episode definitely threw me off. So sorry to hear about the difficulties this interview caused. I’m so glad to hear that you find this comment of mine helpful for this community–that really means a lot to hear.

  34. Tamera Standerfer

    Love, love, love what Kelly had to say! Being someone that enjoys empowering others…not only will I read Kelly’s book…but also share her message. Thank you Marie for having this particular conversation!!!

  35. Jeanne Visvader

    I enjoyed the talk and for myself realize that her beliefs are good for some people and may not be good for other persons with unique situations and lifestyles. For myself good diet, exercise and meditation are definitely diserable and beneficial. I see emergency medicine as very necessary as well as most doctors. We need the help of doctors of all kinds to help us identify our medical issues when they come up and help us heal them. I feel her stance is too simplistic and nieve.

  36. Sarah Bradelton

    Thank you Marie! This is one of the best, most insightful shows yet. The fact that you feature powerful women, who are also brilliant, and who aren’t afraid to challenge conventional myths around the necessity of psychiatric medications, makes you one my favorite spokesperson for women’s empowerment out there. Please have her back on!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Thanks so much, Sarah! That’s really what it’s about. We know there’s no one-size-fits-all that will help everybody, so we think it’s important to share alternative options, especially those that don’t get as much airtime as conventional wisdom. At the end of the day, we want people to trust their inner wisdom and do what’s best for them.

  37. Carmen Payne

    I am so glad I listened to my body when going through six months of panic attacks and intuitively changed my diet to cure it. In addition to getting back to exercise even if it just going for a walk. This serves me in many ways, gets my body moving, realigned my emotional and energetic being and I make sure to really appreciate the beauty around me, even if it’s a neighbor’s front drive.

  38. Katie

    This content is irresponsible. I took anti depressants for a couple months during a very dark time, and I don’t know if I would be here today if a dr hadn’t diagnosed and prescribed — and I hadn’t put aside pride and shaming opinions like these to take the medicine and get better. I wasn’t even in a place to even go to the grocery store and make smoothies. This interview lacks compassion for a much more complicated issue, and by posting this Marie, you are complicit. I’m really disappointed.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      I’m sorry to hear you’re feeling disappointed, Katie. We’re not shaming anyone for taking medications––we want you to do what works best for you and your unique situation. We’re really glad you’re here today and that medications have helped you. There’s no one-size-fits-all approach that works for everyone and Dr. Brogan’s approach is just one of many valid approaches to reclaiming health. At the end of the day, we want you to trust your inner wisdom and do what helps you feel healthy and happy. We absolutely have compassion and we’re sending love your way.

    • Diana

      I hope you are doing better now! I’ve had my own healing journey with traditional medicines and I have always wondered…what if instead of wandering into a rheumatologist’s I had wandered into a holistic office? Would those 2 years of nightmare side effects been avoided? Dr. Brogan is offering another option that people aren’t aware of and Marie is great to get the word out. Bottom line, you needed support. What if someone was supporting you in a new diet for 30 days or just being present with you in your pain? You can’t know if those things wouldn’t have worked, but you were working with the info you had at the time. I find mass depression to be a societal issue because we often don’t feel a tribe rallying around us. In the absence of this information, yes definitely, the medication was the best option!

  39. Whew!!! This is a provocative and powerful topic nonetheless… I have worked in managed behavioral health, Pharma, and wellness and have a graduate degree in psychology as well as worked in an Emotion Regulation research lab and collaborated in a clinical trial study on Major Depressive Disorder. All that to say, I believe our lifestyle has a direct impact on our health, hands down. To go as far to say that there is a significant cause and effect may be beyond anyones scope at this point. However, what do any of us have to lose with integrating holistic health practices? What do we have to lose by becoming educated on how to take ownership of our health-related choices? If we lean in to what seems to be Dr Brogan’s overarching message, the take away is learning to listen to the communication we are receiving from our bodies individually and collectively and honoring that. I would say we can ALL benefit from becoming better listeners. Having respect for the symptoms we’re experiencing is life-giving. So, wether it be a medication or a lifestyle or a combination of the two, whichever empowers us to best listen to our body’s communication, is likely the best intervention.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Exactly, Erica! Beautifully said. The real message here is that it’s important to listen to our bodies.

      Marie always encourages people to approach life with an attitude of “what can I learn from this?” (which doesn’t mean agreeing with everything or everyone––just being open to the possibility that wisdom surrounds us and is there for the taking). Your questions of “what do any of us have to lose with integrating holistic health practices? What do we have to lose by becoming educated on how to take ownership of our health-related choices?” is such a great example of that. Love it!

  40. This was very good. I relate to everything she said because I healed from Stage 3 cancer with a 9cm tumor and tumors rotating around it. I like to say sort of like Saturn to my Venus. My name is Venus. Silly humor! I took the natural approach, no surgery, chemo or radiation and that was eight years ago. I changed everything about my life, Spirit, mind and body. This just confirmed what I believe and personally have seen make a difference in many peoples lives! I am a vegan which works great for me. Thank you!

  41. Marie, this was great!
    Really enjoyed all of it. I’m a great believer in natural healing and as someone that has suffered from severe anxiety, gut problems, hormonal changes and is currently having a difficult time in all areas of my life, I can assure you that medication is NEVER the answer. I’ve not taken any medication in 27 years and have always looked to nutritional and natural healing methods to help me along. The learning has been invaluable and listening to my body, mind and spirit is one of the most precious gifts I’ve collected along the way.
    I happened to watch your TV episode of your own meditation practice this morning and coupled with what Dr Brogan shared of hers, I think this is one area I need to explore more. The only bit of meditation I do is in yoga practice which I’m going to this evening.
    Thank you for the inspiration! I needed that today.

  42. Britt

    Excellent interview.
    I wish Kelly promoted a vegan diet which would make much more sense to be honest …… but besides that, she’s spot on with her information. Yes depression is a very serious ailment – but depression is a symptom NOT a diesease. People love to play victim and not take responsibility for their own health …. yes depression can be debilitating and some people may benefit from an SSRI temporarily but that’s beside the point. Depression is a symptom – find the root. Diet absolutely plays a HUGE role in depression !!!!!!!!!!

    • Laura

      Completely agree, Britt! So very confused as to why she promotes the consumption of meat though. I study nutrition and anti inflammatory diets and I cannot understand for the life of me how meat consumption could be considered anti inflammatory. Really appreciated the interview besides that.

      • Mandy - Team Forleo

        Great question, Britt and Laura! Dr. Brogan left a comment above with some resources, including one about food and why she no longer promotes a vegan diet. Feel free to check it out to learn more about her perspective. Thanks for tuning in! 🙂

  43. Marie-
    Thank you so much for this episode! I am sharing it with my family, friends, doctor, everyone I can think of. My brother, a disabled Vet is handed a packet of pills every month – and I can hardly wait to send him Kelly’s book.

  44. Avalon Yarnes

    Love this! Feeling so inspired to turn some things around.. currently I deal feeling “swollen” and sweaty throughout the day… trying to figure out WHY.. maybe a simple imbalance.

  45. Beautiful, beautiful interview, thank you! Please take this to Oprah… there is such a disconnect with her beautiful work and the weight watchers commercials… it is time for her to hear this information and start sharing it with the world, don’t you think?

  46. Thank you very much for sharing such supportive, beneficial and important ideas for our health. They are really inspiring. Definitely diet, meditation and exercise make big changes. And as you said gratitude is very important. Because every moment is important and we should enjoy every moment and be thankful for what we have. Thanks again for choosing this topic.

  47. Thank you for sharing this Marie & Dr. Brogan . I am a nurse practitioner who embraces natural approaches to mental health, recovery, and vibrancy. Thank you for opening the door for more women to hear and understand this.

  48. Food is medicine, I’ve always believed this. However, I respectfully disagree about having to eat meat to obtain brain health. There are plenty of alternatives to get the nutrients she’s outlined in her program from plant products.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Totally, Melissa––definitely do what works best for you. If you’re curious and want to hear Dr. Brogan’s perspective and why she’s no longer vegetarian, she left a comment with some resources toward the top of the comment thread.

  49. Thanks so much for this!!! I have all the info and recipes for a paleo diet and I haven’t used it!!!! I will clean out my fridge and start this week!!!!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Woohoo! Hooray for taking action!

      • Mandy,
        I am a B-School 2017 student and I have really learned so much from this community!!!!
        I am lovin me some Marie Forleo!!!!

  50. Sue

    The information presented in this interview and in Kelly’s book “A Mind of Your Own” have proven invaluable to me and my loved ones. It has also served as a reclamation of my own innate healing power and intuition. Knowing that you have the information to guid your own healing is the greatest gift anyone could receive.

  51. Véronique Julienne-Rambaud

    Very interesting . The one thing for me would be changing my breakfast ( and then the rest of what I eat, obviously ). I have been experiencing a severe depression for 5 years, feeling much better ( thanks to medicine and psychotherapy ), but still not feeling cured. So what Dr Brogan explains really leads me to reconsidering my lifestyle more than I have. Thank you so much to both of you

  52. Laura

    So appreciative that you covered this topic, Marie. It is a deeply personal one for me as well, and Kelly is clearly so knowledgeable and I so appreciate the work she has done. I am however so very confused that she would talk about inflammation and then encourage people to eat meat. I study nutrition and the work of incredible doctors like Colin Campbell, Max Gerson, Caldwell Esselstyn, Dean Ornish, Neal Barnard and Joel Fuhrman (to name a few) and all of them support this idea that inflammation in the body caused by dietary choices wreaks all kinds of havoc on the body (and mind)- but they all talk about how incredibly inflammatory meat consumption is. I couldn’t agree with Kelly more about dairy- and I understand wheat causes lots of problems for lots of people, mostly, I believe, due to the extreme bastardization of wheat products by the processed food industries, but the idea of asking people to remove ALL grains, while encouraging them to eat things like beef and pork is really quite shocking and a little disturbing to me. I’d love to hear more of the logic behind that.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Great question, Laura! Dr. Brogan left a comment (toward the top of the comment thread) with some resources, including more about her perspective on food and red meat, if you want to check it out.

    • Hi Laura, thank you for your comment as Mandy mentioned, Dr. Brogan did leave a few links at the top of the comments for your perusal. I’ve also attached information on Dr. Brogan’s approach on eating meat.
      Dr. Brogan’s approach is a dietary reset of the body and mind that includes a 30 day dietary reset based on a Balanced Carnivore protocol from the revolutionary cancer doctor, Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez. I hope you find this helpful.

  53. Kathy

    I agree with many of the ideas expressed in this video and I’m sure change of diet, exercise, meditation, etc. can help. My question is this: how do you account for the type of depression that has been with a person since early childhood? I believe this is referred to as dysthymia…an all encompassing total lack of joy, low energy, flat affect… Can this be explained as a diet thing?

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s a really good question, Kathy! Dr. Brogan’s perspective is just one among many valid approaches to reclaiming health. She may have more resources about dysthymia on her website,

  54. Sandy

    Thank you so much for this episode. It really enlighten my perspective about depression. I like the nuggets “Often we need a bit of fear, of struggle, and hit rock bottom or go thru a dark night of the soul to be really awakened to what is possible. Begin to live the way we should live. Thank you again for a great powerful story about depression. I also was a suffer of depression and I was at my darkest moments. What I started to do is read self help books. Then I hire a business coach. I went on a personal development retreat. Now I am doing b-school which is another way in getting the life you want to live.
    What’s one thing you can start doing to take control of your overall health? I am taking action on the 30 day plan of avoiding coffee (which I only drink on weekends) now I am going to really eliminated for 30 days, avoid, grains, dairy, and wheat. So I will get on protein and vegetable healthy way of living. I shall keep you posted on the end results. It will start after Easter weekend. April 17 to May 17 is my one month goal to eliminate coffee for 30 day.
    Thank you again for all the work you have create and make things happen for those who want to make the necessary changes in our lives. Love ya


    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Go you, Sandy! I’m so glad you’re taking inspired action and are trying new things. We’re really happy you’re a B-Schooler and love hearing about the great work you’re doing. 🙂

  55. Christen

    I feel like this interview came at the exact right time for me. My husband and I have been toiling with the idea of giving up our health insurance because it offers us nothing in the way of support from any kind of “healthcare”, and is in no way “affordable” for us. We are just putting money into the insurance companies pockets for basically nothing. I don’t need to go into all of that since I know so many people are going through the same thing. So, we have been discussing ways of trying to become more healthy, but not knowing where to start. I don’t know if he will be totally on board with this because he eats way too much sugar and drinks a lot of coffee, cereal, milk and doesn’t believe in the “no wheat” craze. I think maybe it will take me getting started on this road, and hope he will follow eventually. I am going to read your book, and pick a month where I can dedicate myself to my health in body and mind. Thank you for being a guide. I am looking forward to feeling much better!

  56. Thank you, Marie, for this on point episode. Sorry if I take too much space here, but it feels like this is the best moment to express all that has been gathering these past few months.

    First, to answer your question at the end, I will look up the nutritional protocol and continue on my journey. A little more than a month ago I decided to quit all foods that contain sugar for one month and the effects are remarkable. I no longer have cravings and can go much longer during the day without snacks to keep my blood sugar on a normal level. I hadn’t thought of the effect these foods had on my blood sugar, just that it didn’t help to eat so many empty calories every day.

    A few months ago, after arriving to a small town in Germany, I realized that the dread that had been mounting up for the past year didn’t have that much to do with my commute or my work. It was a a depression sinking in, cutting me off from my friends and loved ones, making me somehow fade away from society. After a few months living here, the depression hit a maximum and I realized that I had felt the same before, during my high-school years after I stopped volunteering for a while.

    During the five years of my bachelor’s and master’s studies I was always out, doing something, interacting with people, living in the heart of the community, as a dancer and a volunteer and later as a creator and event organizer. After starting my PhD, everything in my old life, a life in which I felt alive and never even questioned my status in society, wilted away. I was trapped in this work routine, not questioning it, just going along, but without doing what I loved.

    I have six more months left in my PhD program and whether I finish it or not is not relevant any more. Yes, I know more about cement than 99,99% of the population, but who cares? It doesn’t help anyone. I can’t wait to go back home and work towards bringing value to people’s lives. That’s what I believe kept me away from depression all these years and the lack of the opportunity to help people has brought me to where I am today. Not completely depressed, as I did start changing things (diet, a bit of yoga and dancing on my own), but on my way back. I hope this helps others who were touched by today’s episode.

    Thank you both for being a beacon of light and wonder in this world, Marie and Kelly.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      We’re sending buckets of love your way, Andrea, and are glad that you’re on a healing journey. Although it may not feel like it sometimes, you are helping people and the way you show up does make the world a better place.

    • Thank you for sharing Andrea, you are not alone xxx

    • Thank you Andrea for sharing your beautiful journey with us. You are on your path to a vital life and that’s great to hear.

  57. Francesca Leonetti

    This does a disservice to the millions of people whow have clinical depression which is a disease and often times requires medication and other treatments to resolve or lessen. I agree that many are misdiagnosed and that our culture likes to pop pills instead of eating healthy, getting exercise and reducing stress but the disease depression is not a gift for many and can cause death if not treated seriously. I’m disappointed in this episode for continuing to perpetuate the stigma that people with mental illness have to deal with because they aren’t able to cure themselves.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, Francesca. To be clear, we’re not shaming anyone for having a mental illness or for taking medications because of a mental illness. We want you to do what works best for you and your unique situation. If you’ve found that medications help you, then we absolutely support it and want you to do whatever it takes to be healthy and happy.

      There’s no one-size-fits-all approach that works for everyone and Dr. Brogan’s approach is just one of many valid methods of reclaiming health, and it’s one that’s not discussed as often as conventional wisdom. At the end of the day, we want you to trust your inner wisdom.

  58. Abena Whitted-Nti

    This was so moving. I am reading a book by Queen Afua “Heal Thy Self”. These concepts are mind opening and I love hearing this from a conventionally trained Medical Doctor! I think all of her points were very much worth exploring. We are not encouraged enough to explore the relationship our bodies have to the things we consume. We eat so many things that our bodies do not recognize because they are processed. In fact World Health Organization has published that eating processed meats is one of the primary causes of childhood cancers.
    I am so thankful for this video. I get that considering our medications as not the answer to our ailments and that even in some cases they are the cause of them is a controversial notion. It begs the question if we have been told to “take our meds” and its not the best way, what other ill guided directions have we been given?

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      It does make you wonder! I think people do the best they can with the information they have available at the time. As more research is done and as more people are able to share their personal experiences through the internet and other means, it can mean questioning conventional wisdom. Knowing all the options out there is a good thing because it allows us to make the best decisions for ourselves. 🙂

  59. Thomas Walz

    First, I’m male, 66, an artist/creative, and dealing with depression, and have cyclically my entire life. Right now, my drpression is crushing me.

    I enjoyed this interview, and relate to the dietary issues being brought up. I’ve recently been watching many videos on the keto diet and am intrigued by the claimed benefits. I want to give it a try, which will be difficult given that I’ve also been a carbo addict, caffeine addict, and my sweetie and I LOVE sweets and bread.
    We’ve stopped the sweets and I’ve just begun cutting coffee back. I need to sit with my gal and work on this keto thing… which seems against the “grain” (pun intended) of all I’ve studied in the past.
    My depression is hurting me economically right now, a no-go.

    • Hi Thomas, thank you for sharing your journey with us. Dr. Brogan’s book, A Mind of Your Own, addresses a 30 day dietary reset for the body and mind, which can be helpful on your journey. Even though Dr. Brogan’s patients are all women, her book and the information in it is gender neutral and can work for both you and your significant other, as it has for many other couples and families.

  60. Shay

    Wow! Wow! Wow! Beautiful conversation!


    Hi Marie and Kelly

    I absolutely loved this video. I have been on antidepressants for about 20 years and have tried many times to come off of them without much success. Hopefully by taking some of this information on board I can finally be free of medication. Which has so far only been a dream.

    Thank you Marie

  62. Betsy Bruns

    I loved this discussion. Thank you for the beautiful dialogue. It’s really about taking our health into our own hands and waking up from the toxic overload pushed by Big Pharma, Big Ag and Big Corporate. Profits drive the conflict and confusion because they want us hooked. The challenge lies in the conflicting research that supports just about any lifestyle approach. But if you really look at the volume of studies and who is funding them, it’s clear there thst there is more peer reviewed scientific research on the benefits of a whole food plant-based diet , lower in fat and oils , than any other way of eating. A vegetarian diet cannot be compared to a vegan diet because dairy is extremely inflammatory. Switching to a vegetarian diet made me sick, where a whole food plant-based diet made me extremely well, despite my genetic predisposition of diabetes, depression, bipolar disease, heart disease and cancer. For more info, watch Forks Over Knives on Netflix.

  63. Sabrina

    This was absolutely brilliant! I’m currently studying Nutritional Therapy and this feeds nicely into everything I’ve learned so far. Our bodies and nature are so powerful it’s mind blowing, really. Hope that one day we can turn the healthcare system around. Thanks Marie and Dr. Brogan for this interview 🙂

  64. If you want the latest and best evidence-based nutrition research, visit

    Dr. Greger reviews every nutrition research article published every year. Then he produces short (3-6min) videos and blog posts detailing the latest findings

  65. I can definitely acknowledge the benefits of a holistic approach, and maybe starting them while receiving other treatment. Personally the medication mix that I have FINALLY found to be successful has changed my life. While it may not be the best approach for everyone, medications for mental disorders can in fact save lives, and the thing that worries me about this conversation is that it seems to stigmatize medications further – which is part of the reason that many people don’t see the help they need. I love you, Marie, I don’t mean to be negative, but this topic is a very sensitive issue for me! <3

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      You’re not being negative at all, Dorothy, and we appreciate you sharing your experiences! At the end of the day, we want people to do what’s best for them. If medications work for you, we absolutely support it. We’re not shaming anyone for having a mental illness or taking medications for a mental illness––Dr. Brogan is just presenting her research and approach, which doesn’t get discussed as often as more conventional wisdom. Knowing all the options available better helps people decide what’s best for their unique situation.

  66. Constance

    Thank you Marie for another great super relevent episode touching on the topics and issues that matter most today.
    Depression is effecting so many people! Only last week, I discovered, that it may be effecting me.
    As someone who has been struggling (sadness, fogginess, fatigue) for a bit and wary of the standard healthcare responses to my issues, I am excited and encouraged to learn of doctors/ practioners who are nutrition and research focused.
    It’s a pleasure to meet Dr. Brogan! And be introduced to her work. The timing, for me, is impecable! Looking forward to reading her book and sharing her work with my local care provider (as soon as I can find one who is a good fit for me) Thank you!

  67. 1000x YES! I feel like I’ve found my twin in life. I’ve grown up knowing all these things and to finally have a medical professional verify it is so incredibly relieving! I’ve had so much flack from others on my own lifestyle that mirrors her suggestions exactly! I was blown away at how much this helps me feel validated and that doing my own research and making my own choices has helped me be preventative in all types of illness. I wish everyone in the western world could see this and truly help themselves take action to really live a full and enjoyable life. Thank you so much for this!

    • Thank you Joy for your wonderful support. We’re happy that Dr. Brogan’s approach resonates with you and you’ve found your twin, lol.

  68. I have been thinking of returning to a Naturopath. I do receive Chiropractic treatment and I am a strong believer in managing your own health and fitness. This interview shared new information about not only the effects of food but over the counter and prescription medications. I want to learn more.

  69. Emily

    Thanks so much for this much needed wake-up call. I’ve had too much stress at work lately and on top of it I’ve been ripping the bud of my baby business open too fast, rather than letting it blossom naturally. Why am I pushing myself so hard? Time to slow down! My behavior has been way more impulsive than usual with everything from Facebook posts to random costly purchases. I literally feel like I’m not me. Time to put balance at the top of my to do list. Love you all.

  70. Jill Lambert

    Thank you SO MUCH, Marie and Kelly! Kelly is so articulate and down-to-earth, and it’s such a relief to hear her say what I have always believed; we have everything we need within, and that is provided for us in nature, to heal and live a healthy, happy and fulfilled life.

  71. Sarah

    I am shocked at the number of fear-based comments which have been posted on here. Like Dr Brogan, I am a medical professional and I wholehearedly concur with her that we have got many, many things wrong. Much of what is practised in the name of Western medicine is not evidence-based and we would do well to open our minds to other possibilities. Kudos to you both for having this discussion, especially in a world and an Internet which can be so closed to new ways of thinking xx

    • I don’t think it is fair to label conflicting views as “fear-based” or “close-minded,” it can simply be a disagreement.

    • Jessica Clark

      Sarah, the problem is that this video isn’t framed as a “discussion” with questions being asked. Dr. Brogan is claiming that mental illnesses are caused by inflammation. Discussions are great. Keep in mind that many people have dedicated their lives to finding treatments and cures for major mental illnesses with little success. If you have never had a loved one with major depression or schizophrenia, you really will never understand how harmful this video is.

      • Mandy - Team Forleo

        I’m sorry to hear you found this episode harmful, Jessica. To be clear, we’re not shaming anyone with a mental illness or anyone who takes medications for a mental illness. Different things work for different people, so we support whatever helps you and your loved ones feel healthy and happy. Dr. Brogan’s approach is one of many valid approaches to reclaiming health, though if it doesn’t work for you, we absolutely encourage you to trust your inner wisdom.

      • Lindsay Reeve

        Thank you *so* much, Jessica, for this comment. I suffer from depression and watching this video made me feel so helpless — like it’s all my fault, like I should give up and die. I’ve tried this diet, I exercise regularly and rigorously, and it does not cure depression for me. (Medication didn’t, either).

        • Jessica

          Lindsay, don’t ever give up! I am here rooting for you from afar, encouraging you to hold on tightly. I am so sorry that life is so unfair and hard. Still, keep going. So many suffer, and you are a part of a huge awakening by sharing your life. I believe that we are on the cusp of new discoveries and treatments. XXXX

        • Caroline - Team Forleo

          Lindsay, I’m so sorry to hear you’re feeling helpless, and I know you’re absolutely not alone. We wanted to reply to you here to let you know we just sent an email to you, and we appreciate you commenting and sharing this week.

    • Thank you Sarah for your support and we’re happy to know that there are other medical professionals that share the same viewpoint as Dr. Brogan. Thank you once again.

  72. Liz

    I was diagnosed bipolar – which is a chemical imbalance in the brain – at thirteen, and again at seventeen, and again at twenty-two. It wasn’t a one-time diagnosis by one therapist. It was a constant struggle. But you know what? I started running when I was twenty-eight and never felt better. Exercise adjusts the chemicals that your body produces. So yes, exercise can certainly help with depression. I tell everybody and most people don’t believe me, because of all of the [ish] that we’re taught about prescription medications.
    Also, I was diagnosed with a autoimmune disorder last year. Stopped exercising, because of the exhaustion that I felt. Then I went off of birth control and started the 10 Day Detox and felt amazing! Started working out again about two months ago.
    Diet and exercise really is everything. If something is wrong the first thing I think to myself is “okay. what have I been eating?” And the answer to my problem is usually in there.
    No gluten. A lot of red meat and vegetables. Exercise 5-6 times a week. But I still drink coffee and eat chocolate. I’m going to try to kick coffee, but I’ll need a good smoothie recipe to replace it with. 😉 Probably won’t quit the chocolate, though.

    • Shana

      I am the same with coffee and chocolate. 😊 I started making my own “chocolate” with coconut oil to get the benefits of that and get a little fix without the sugar and preservatives. If I do splurge and have processed carbs/sugars I sure can feel the increased anxiety the next day. And exercise really does help! Best to you!

  73. Marie – THANK YOU!!! I have known this for some time – at least 5 years. This put everything together, so that I can share what I’ve believed and practiced in my own life. I will be ordering Kelly Brogan’s book, following her suggested altered diet for 30 days, (I’ve never eliminated my beloved Earl Grey tea). I also will be eliminating naproxen from my daily ingestion – I’ve known I should eliminate this, yet my joints have felt so good with it.

    • Hi Deanna, thank you for your support and we can’t wait to hear your take on Dr. Brogan’s 30-day reset for the body and mind. This is life-changing and you’ll see how a few changes in diet can change the way you feel physically and mentally.

  74. I loved this episode. Thank you so much Marie and Kelly! The idea of evolutionary mismatch, and getting back to the basic is so powerful. I truly believe that our bodies are powerful beyond belief yet unfortunately we’ve lost touch with how good we can actually feel. I believe there is a shift happening and more people are wanting to get back to the basics. More people are paying attention to what they eat, and the toxic products and chemicals we bring into our home. I am extremely passionate about this and have built my own community of women who are also passionate about this through a key tool that I love to use – Doterra Essential oils. This tool has been a great gateway for me to use my life coaching, my health background and educate women on taking some of the power back. Feeling empowered in our bodies is one of the greatest gifts we can give to our families and this world. I will be sharing this episode with everyone I know 🙂 Thanks again for your work!

  75. Oh my goodness!!! I totally see myself in her!! I’ve been trying to tell people this for years! I also healed myself from a ton of chronic illness through Nutrition and my practiced is totally based on this. I don’t believe any adult should have dairy and gluten is totally inflammatory. If only I had her reach, I would trumpet this from the rooftops. Birth control also depletes folate and there are so many medications causing nutrition deficiencies! I was shocked at all the deficiencies covered in my pharmacology class during my masters program in clinical nutrition. Listen to your body before it forces you to listen. <3

  76. I can start the morning off with Gratitude and Meditation. I thrive off stress and being “busy” I need to send my body off in the morning with the message of “things are actually OK!” I like that. Thank you SO much for this video!

  77. Marie, thank you SO MUCH for taking the time to interview Dr. Kelly Brogan! As the author of “Eat Your Feelings: Recipes That Fight Anxiety and Depression” (which I published on in September of 2016), this video truly resonated with me!

  78. Lidewij

    There is definitely a link between diet and exercise and how you feel, and it will make the average person much happier and balanced, however a depression that stems from deep psychological pain for example cannot be cured with just that.

    Anyone that has a deep depression should seek professional help in the form of something like counselling. It is a way to examine this pain and to learn to live with it.

    I do think it is great to point out that too many people are put on antidepressants without trying other methods first, and that in many cases that can do more harm than good.

    Personally I remember going for a run one day during a depressive episode when I was exercising a lot and eating well, I felt fine after finishing, then half an hour later went into deep despair and suicidal thoughts. I then realised it is not as easy as that, and depression needs to be taken seriously to really take care of it. It can be very dangerous.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Absolutely, Lidewij. There’s a world of depression between feeling depressed and having deep, chronic depression. And we definitely encourage people to seek the help they need and do what’s best for them. Dr. Brogan’s approach is just one of many, and knowing all the options available can help people better decide what’s right for their individual situation.

  79. People who suffer depression as a result of wars, bullying, divorce or the death of a loved one can start comfort eating and become anti-social. So for me, depression triggers the bad eating habits not the other way round. I feel like if your depression is caused by frustration from working or living in a negative environment, then the first thing to do is remove yourself from any negativity and heal the mind through different forms of therapy or meditation. Only when you are in a better mental state, will you be able to improve your diet, exercise routinely and live healthily again.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Very true, Sarah! There’s no one-size-fits-all and depression can manifest differently for different people. Dr. Brogan’s perspective is just one of many. I’m really glad you found the cause of yours and know what helps you feel your best!

  80. Andrea Albarran Wick

    I am going to meditate every single morning, no questions asked. It is vital for me to meditate, its my medicine. It changes everything for me and Ive been practicing for 5 years now and have found that its those moments of meditation where I feel blissful, greatful, whole and full of love and life.

  81. Jen

    This is so so so so so so so SOOO great!! I will be starting with breakfast that is NOT processed (not cereal or gluten free toast, etc). Healthy shakes are where its at!

  82. Delisa Richardson

    I LOVED this! I’m ready to devour more information on this topic. I’ve been trying to get off of depression/anxiety meds for a while now and I feel Dr Kelly’s method will help. I have pleaded right now to do the following things:
    1. Start daily 3 min Kundalini Yoga meditation sessions
    2. Make the Smoothie recipe mentioned in the talk.

  83. Zaida

    To me this episode really gives people hope based on empowerment. The knowledge that we can control a lot of our health outcomes and general feeling of well-being is such a blessing. 2nd takeaway: Cultivating gratitude is life-changing. It pushes you to be mindful and aware. I loved this episode. My only thing is that I think we should definitely move every day. Our dogs would be really bummed if we didn’t walk them every day. 🙂

  84. What wonderful content! I wish more people understood this. When I think of all of the problems we have with the health care system, it seems so easy to fix with this knowledge. Dr. Brogan, I sincerely would like to know from your perspective, WHY doctors are not taught this very important information. I know that we have entered an era where we are becoming more aware of the power of nutrition and healing through food, but it stymies me that Doctors, the very professionals we trust, are not getting educated about this extremely valuable topic. It is so interesting to me, too, that traditional Nutrition programs don’t teach this, either. (I went to Cornell, too, where Nutrition is a very popular major).

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      That’s a really good question, Brett! It makes me wonder if nutrition is downplayed at all traditional medical schools or if it’s only downplayed at some of them. Either way, you’d think it’d be taught in depth since it’s so important.

  85. Kat

    The synchronicity of this episode is uncanny – I have just today said to my husband that I think I need to change my diet to start to address my depression and anxiety, and really start to live my life they way it’s supposed to be lived, not the ‘hamster on the wheel’. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom. I am going to start by changing my breakfast 🙂

  86. Michelle

    This has inspired me to give up gluten. I was gluten free for 2 months. I started gluten again and my acne came back. Learning to accept the way life is can be very healing.

  87. Marie and Kelly,

    Thank you so much for this program. I totally get it. It’s been 2 weeks since I quit drinking wine which I really enjoyed almost every evening. When I thought about the “one thing” I could improve in my health was to eliminate wine consumption from my daily life.

    Thank you for the inspiring question that I can use for my coaching clients: What is the happiest and healthiest version of yourself? A single most powerful question you can pose to yourself! Right ON!!

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Love that! Really drilling down into what would make the happiest and healthiest versions of ourselves leads to a lot of important insight. So glad you’re going to start using it for your coaching clients! 🙂

  88. Angela

    Thank you so much for this episode.

    Will resume my morning meditation practice. Got into the habit of only meditating in the evening.

    My mild depression disappeared as soon as i went vegan even after 5 years as a vegetarian. Clearly animal foods were a trigger for me.

    I also believe that depression can be a gift if the right response is made as Dr Brogan mentions.

    Miraculous episode. Thank you again.

    • Mandy - Team Forleo

      Exactly, Angela. Feeling bad isn’t a good thing––our bodies alerting us that there’s something wrong so we can get the help we need is the gift. I’m really glad you’ve found what’s triggering for you and are taking daily action to live your healthiest, happiest self.

  89. Jennifer

    I’m getting more & more into this idea that food affects health. I watched a lot of YouTube videos by a guy name Dr John Bergman who’s a chiropractor & he echos a lot of what Dr Kelly Brogan said in this video. I recently decided to give up sugar & cow’s milk (but not goat’s/sheep milk) for Lent & my psoriasis is a lot better. Doesn’t itch nearly as much as it used to. Plus I have a lot more energy. I used to have to nap during the day or even just 1/2-hour after dinner if I had like a small pudding for dessert. I’m going to try to keep it up & see if I can slowly get my son (who’s in elementary school) to do it, too. Not going to be easy, especially in France where they can’t bring bag lunches to school, though the lunches here are definitely healthier than in the U.S.

  90. I need to know what kind of yoga she is talking about!!!!! lol. I’m a food junkie… and by food junkie I mean I eat a lot of junk food 🙁 I have a serious addiction so sugar that is way way out of control. I’ve tried every diet out there to get myself back under control but I always fail. And to me I always felt like unless someone told me I was going to die unless I got my eating together I couldn’t justify denying myself foods that I love. After this eye opening interview though… It seems like I’m denying myself of so much more then that….. and there is good possibility that I could die a lot soon then I want to…. Thank you so much for sharing this with us. Now I need to get buys on cleaning up my nutrition!

  91. I feel God brought this video to me in miraculous timing. I was supposed to go get some Zoloft this morning but a friend needed me to watch her son. That same friend is over weight, on tons of pharmaceuticals, & had many issues with her tummy-which I believe is all caused from prescriptions & alcohol abuse. I want her to see this for herself but I had to see it for myself first. I intuitively know that the antidepressants I’ve been taking are really just a quick fix & possibly a cause to future ailments. I suffer from severe depression, my father actually committed suicide when he was 50 & ive been fearful to follow his steps bc I have been through major traumas in this life. I have a crying disorder it seems – it got worse when I started birth control in high school & now recently which is ironic bc they tell me it should stabilize me more. I needed to hear that I could remedy my depression without medication bc the belief I have that I NEED meds is not accurate nor helpful. It costs too much time & money to even receive it which just amplifies my stress. I am also extremely relieved that her diet consists of red meat. I have had a blood disorder that makes me so anemic that I wouldn’t be able to be vegan if I tried. Also, I grew up with a mom who happens to be a nutritionist & she says the same thing about B-12. Both of the ladies in this episode make me want to go back to school for psych & neuroscience. This is my calling…thank you for sharing the belief that we are all equipped to get through this life in a holistic – whole way. I really needed to hear this bc society was starting to brainwash me to believe otherwise. Now I can get back to my roots & take on the challenge of meditating & eating properly-& dancing!

  92. Marie & Team Forleo!
    I can’t thank you enough for this valuable information. And the timing in my inbox was remarkable. I just met with my functional medicine/naturopath dr. yesterday to take charge of my health again, revisit mental health concerns and overhaul my gut. This video is the perfect complement to that appointment. Thank you for the reminder that depression is a gift. I had forgotten that somewhere along the way. It feels so empowering to hear the actionable steps I can take toward my own wellness, rather than focusing on the stigma and shame associated with depression.
    With gratitude,

  93. Candice

    I LOVE this episode. So wise and so real. It is wonderful to hear a woman such as Dr. Kelly Brogan bringing this wisdom to so many. I felt to share my favorite sound vibration meditation resource:
    Thank YOU for this!

  94. Jessica

    Before posting a video like this, you need to explicitly state that this is not about Major Depression or Psychosis. Would you call cancer a gift? You mention that this applies to all mental illnesses. Are you seriously including schizophrenia in this conversation? This is perpetuating the stigma in a very harmful way. If you want to promote a certain diet to alleviate symptoms of mental illnesses, go ahead. The story about gluten causing mania is absurd and so incredibly harmful. That is not a controlled or scientific study that should be referenced. Also, don’t call mental illnesses a gift if you haven’t experienced it.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Jessica, thank you so much for watching today’s episode and candidly sharing your thoughts. This is an incredibly important conversation, and because it is, we’re grateful to have your voice here.

      While Dr. Brogan acknowledges that using the word “gift” is provocative, as nobody wants to experience trauma, it refers to the fact that our bodies are making us aware of something being wrong and thus needing care and attention – whether the solution is all natural, medication, or a combination. The gift is the shift of our attention to taking care of ourselves and not making ourselves or our experiences wrong or bad in the process.

      As she shared in the episode, “And when you begin to attend to that area, things will shift and change. And in this way, you know, depression or really all mental illness from my perspective, it’s the beginning of your next chapter if you pay attention to it.”

      Although we’re not doctors, Dr. Brogan does reference studies and the foundational pieces in her work, so you’re welcome to touch base with her team or explore more of her writings.

      We love sharing a variety of resources and perspectives through MarieTV, and this episode is one perspective and one approach to reclaiming your health, but of course, not the only approach.

      For some people, the tools Dr. Brogan shares could be incredibly healing, whereas for others they may not be, so we encourage everyone to work with their doctors and do their research to choose a path that’s best for them.

  95. Kelly

    Wow. That was just wow. The short story is that I have been in engaged in some sort of burnout/depression/anxiety since 2013 (anxiety for much longer). The end of 2015 was the bottom of the well for me and I spent most of 2016 keeping myself from falling all the way back down it. For years I have believed that my body has the knowledge and ability to heal itself, and that pharmaceuticals do serve a purpose, but for me, are not a long term solution. When I told my Doc I had anxiety he said, “Well, I can prescribe you this…I don’t want to see you so upset, you are such a happy girl.” My response in my head was, “A drug before a counselor…interesting.” I didn’t tell him about the weeks I spent not wanting to get out of bed and napping 3x a day. I said no to the drugs, and decided to simply start becoming more aware of my body and mind. It was often exhausting, but I did it. Too much alcohol drops me real close to the edge of the well for days, or recently when I had a girls weekend…just over a week. I rarely drink, I just don’t see the point. Even though it put me away from my best self it was a gift. It forced me to begin meditating again. That alone was an immediate lifesaver. When I don’t do it, I imagine that everything in my world is unravelling even though it’s only me being out of tune with myself and the flow of life…and I know this…I forget.

    But this video had me asking a question I had never though to ask before. I was on birth control for nearly 10 years. The timing of taking the birth control coincided with my parents separation, moving away to university, etc. I have been looking at that time of my life from only one perspective – all the external stuff going on around me – and now have another – my hormonal state of being, all the stuff going on on the inside. I have spent a fair amount of time comparing my current self to my past self in admiration of the ambition and drive I had and in shame that I have somehow lost that part of me. If this didn’t strike me as something needing to be unpacked, I probably wouldn’t have even paid much attention to this part of the video, but I did. There is some journaling to be done and that in addition to maintaining my meditation practice is going to be my next step in my healing journey. I know this is an important piece in understanding for me.

    • you are not alone Kelly, thank you for sharing xxx

  96. Amy

    I healed my thyroid (was on a daily Rx for hypo-thyroidism) in less than a year by going gluten-free (after doing the elimination diet & misdiagnosing my nemesis as eggs).
    an interesting side note: after I weened myself off of this Rx, I spent a month in Italy and ate myself silly on pizza, pasta, gnocchi, etc. (and may have looked a little shiny (& very, very happy)) but felt absolutely fine. my truth, for my body, is the issue is with our food sources Stateside…scary but true…
    I’ve also spent time looking at the Blood Diet and have found truths in there for my body…the takeaway for me is that health, diet, etc. is unique to each & every person…

  97. Karen

    Just got validation as I had been thinking about cutting out grains, dairy, and sugar. Those are the exact foods Ms. Brogan mentioned to remove your diet for 30 days. MAYBE the coffee will come later because I love that too much. tee he. I did find some great spiralized vegetable recipes that I want to try and I’ve already bought the spiralizer.

  98. Marie! I am soooo excited and grateful for this episode! I’ve admittedly been pretty resentful of a lot of life coaches and people who discuss making positive life changes who don’t address what I believe is the single biggest obstacle to doing just that: depression, anxiety–basically mental struggle!

    It’s honestly insulting when you looking online for how to just feel better and you feel like what you’re finding is barely grazing the problem that you’re facing. This episode is so helpful and enlightening and really dives deep into taboo and highly personal struggle we call depression. So grateful!! Thank you!!!

  99. Patricia

    Thank you. Talk about synchrony. I found this right after I had my first interview with a functional medicine advisor and she told me to check out Kelly !! The first thing I’m going to do is order Kelly’s book. This is very inspiring ❤️❤️

  100. Lettie

    I’m so grateful for that, I have tears in my eyes as I am writing this. I am a physician, and I am so happy that Dr. Brogan is putting this information out there. It IS hard to get off the hamster wheel, not just the wheel of prescription medication, but the wheel of PRESCRIBING medication. It IS a culture, an expectation. I have been taking classes in energy work, and yes, B-school to fashion an exit for myself because I believe that what we need is not medication, but addressing what our bodies are trying to bring to our attention. Thank you so much.

  101. Personally, there is nothing that could convince me to consume any foods derived from the horrors of factory farming.

  102. Loved the video, and I’ve loved Dr. Brogan’s book!
    I’m going to start meditating every morning. I want to change how I eat, but I think that starting with meditation first will give me a great foundation to have the courage to completely overhaul my eating habits.

    Good luck to everyone following through with their changes 🙂

  103. Shana

    Love this episode! I need to be more consistent with my meditation practice, but am pretty close on diet and exercise. I am curious though about things like environment, not pollution, toxins, etc although important, but rather energetically, if we are somewhere we don’t want to be, where we don’t feel good, but are stuck for the time being, is it possible to find joy and contentment there? To have a good connection to ourselves and our intuition if we feel completely in limbo? Has anyone else overcome a similar situation?

  104. I’ve found that wheat causes severe depression for me, which I am so happy to have discovered. I still have mild to moderate depression almost all the time and I’ve been wondering if I have some other sensitivity as well. I know a lot of people are convinced that medication is the only answer. It was, after all, what rescued them from the anguish they were feeling. But I’m willing to bet that if they took the time to look at their nutrition, they would find that it is indeed a driver for many mood issues and it may allow them to reduce the dosage of their medication. My mother suffered terribly from mental illness and even died because of it. Knowing what I know about my own sensitivities, I often wonder if she had these sensitivities as well and if she had changed her admittedly terrible eating habits, would she have suffered so much and would she still be with us? We’ll never know. Thank you Dr Brogan. I believe 100% that nutrition plays a huge role in our health, including mental health and I hope your message is heard.

  105. Mahal

    I am so excited that you did this interview – I am running around my living room with joy. I shared this video on my social media bec there were too many golden nuggets of truth from Dr. Kelly Brogan that it would have been a disservice not to share. Thank you, Marie and TeamForleo for bringing in the best. This is truly life-changing content.

  106. Karen Yackel

    Thank you so much for this today. I am someone who deals with Chronic Pain and have bone spurs and nerve pain at the top of my neck. I have always believed that the body can heal itself and have been on a quest as to how to help myself and to end the pain medication trail. I do not accept that I need to be on this medication for the rest of my life.
    I think for me today I need to start on all of these things that you talked about today and I will first begin by getting Dr. Brogan’s book. I will be starting to meditate each morning as my very first step and then looking in to a diet that can help me.
    I am curious to know the form of yoga that Dr. Brogan was describing. I couldn’t quite hear her pronunciation on the video.
    Thank you for this video. It comes at a time in my life that I know I need a total personal transformation to get out of the fog and back to my vital personality and lifestyle that is there somewhere>

  107. thank you for sharing this conversation. What an empowering gift to shift the way we approach disease, pain and any other imbalance. I feel in my body the truth of this, and even though I’m not sure how I’ll make this change, it is so inspiring to try and at least start small. I can’t believe it only take 20 minutes a week of short fast paced workout… ha! that’s heavenly to hear and too good to be true! But to answer the question as to what I can do now I think taking out wheat out of my diet could be one step, the other will be milk however it seems difficult. Thank you for this!

  108. Jessica

    Thank you Marie, this was so needed and timely and informative and hopeful. I feel vindicated and reassured that I can take control to change the years of periodic stress and anxiety/panic attacks by listening to my body. Starting with dietary changes and regular daily meditation. And getting this book while also looking for an appropriate physician to partner with me. Thank you again!

  109. Fabulously helpful – thank you Marie & Kelly. I am working to heal something that I was told ‘you’ll be on meds and in pain for the rest of your life’ for. I will never return to that doc. I’ve been doing my research, engaging in new movement to strengthen my core, and looking into some things like collagen. I am going to try the KB Smoothie asap! I love how Kelly mentions being EMPOWERED… yes, yes, yes, that’s the bottom line, rather than just being robots re: our diet and how we handle illness or pain, we can empower ourselves. I love that.
    In gratitude, Shannon

  110. About a year and a half ago, I noticed that I was becoming repulsed by chicken. I ate it only because I felt that I had no other option but I began to have physical symptoms of nausea after eating it. I decided to stop eating meat altogether (I did continue eating fish occasionally). I noticed an immediate reduction in my anxiety levels. BTW, I was diagnosed with Severe Generalized Anxiety and Panic Disorder about 13 years ago. I have been noticing this significant change and telling people about it but feeling like I had no medical explanation. After watching this I feel validated. I have been trying to attribute the change to other factors but the only thing that feels right is the change in my diet. This is real folks. I know that for me, only medication helped for a very long time, as my anxiety was quite debilitating. I wonder what would have happened if I had taken on a diet while on my medication way back when.

  111. Jenn

    Awesome topic- thank you! I can’t wait to get her book. A great reminder of the importance of get back on track with meditation.

  112. Rebecca Spacke

    This is a game changer! I shared it with many people. Thanks so much for this incredible post… well as all the other great content you provide.

  113. Daniel

    Thank you Marie for inviting Dr. Kelly and discuss depression, physiological and physical matters and reactions.
    There is one very important point that Kelly has mention regarding something extremely important. And that is, the uses the power of the mind, that can improve or cure many physical illnesses or physiological disturbances, and avoid drug oneself unnecessary.
    Most people run to the chemicals to alleviate a physical or mental discomfort or disturbances, but they don’t realise that the root of the problem will still remain and surface later that 90% could been dealt mentally. Yes I think we should learn how to deal with the mind and leave the Dr’s and medicine cabinet, as long you are not in a trauma situation.
    Thank you Marie for all your talk clips.

  114. Marie T Corish

    This was such a valuable and interesting interview. I am grateful to you, Marie, and Kelly for bringing this to light for everyone. I am on the path of eliminating wheat and dairy from my diet and helping others to do the same through a 28 Day program. I will happily share this video with them and recommend your book. Thank you so much for all the work you do Marie and for sharing your gifts and those of the people you interview.

  115. This was an amazing episode. Thank you. While I’ve been a health & fitness advocate my whole life I never realized how much we are all primed toward grabbing the quick fix. We get a scrip for what’s bugging us, grab energy bars on the go or boost flagging energy with caffeine and sugar and it’s a vicious cycle. About 5 years ago I went nearly gluten, dairy, sugar, corn and alcohol-free and also began reading a lot about mindfulness and health. It was not just life-changing personally but professionally too. I basically maintain that way of life all the time, and I can tell when I haven’t been as diligent. I have struggled with anxiety and stress issues my whole adult life and clean eating and exercise by far have been the best remedies to stave it off, even when work and family is going full-throttle, as long as I’m eating clean, exercising and practicing mindfulness I’m fine. Paying attention to diet and exercise and “getting back to basics” changed the way I showed up to work and in personal situations. It made me a more present at work and in any setting, and allowed me to approach difficult conversations with more positivity. In fact, I’m so passionate about the connection between wellness and communications that I left a 25-year career in PR to launch a communications coaching business grounded in health and wellness principles. (Aided by the current class of B-school, I should also note!) Thanks for featuring her content! She’s an influencer I will draw upon many times.

  116. LOVED this episode!!!
    I have personal experience with both my own stress and eventually depression.
    As well as my mother’s schizofrenia.
    I was already well aware of the importance of diet and lifestyle in relation to this because I chose to heal myself through this instead of medicine.
    But I still had a few a-ha moments during this conversation. and I think it is SUCH and IMPORTANT issue that all people should know.

  117. Thank you Marie and Dr Brogan. I don’t watch every week but I read the emails. Today when I read the email, I realized I was in a fog today. I appreciate that reference because it prompted me to watch what I think will be an important talk in my life at 74 years old.

  118. I liked her focus on making a few small changes, like a three-minute meditation or a 20-minute workout, can have a positive ripple effect that allows for healing. Nothing is ever cut and dry, but we can always learn from the core message to listen to our bodies and take responsibility for our health. Healing is a loving relationship between ourselves and our bodies and minds. Seeing a health crisis as a message that something needs our attention and care is a good first step to healing. For me, meditation is something I need to start making nonnegotiable.

  119. Catherine

    I agree with Dr. Brogan on all of this – it’s exciting to see someone with a medical background articulate all of these holistic approaches to restoring balance and health. I particularly liked the comment regarding food being an information exchange with our surroundings. However, I strongly disagree with one of her opening comments – that depression isn’t an illness. Many illnesses are caused by poor diet, stress, bad habits, etc., many have a multiple of symptoms, and many can be cured by changing these parts of our lives – but that doesn’t make them non-illnesses or diseases. I think statements like this undermine the hard work that is being done to change the perception and stigma surrounding mental illness – it will be lumped into the ‘just snap out of it’ camp, even if your reason for stating that it’s not an illness or a disease is different. My daughter suffered from sexual assault PTSD triggered when she came forward with her story nine years after she was assaulted. She took her life last July. (She came out with her story 2.5 years earlier, and had two suicide attempts prior to her death.) She was a brilliant young woman. She was in holistic therapy and seeing a Psychiatrist. But she didn’t have the mental clarity to follow through with the holistic treatments/suggestions, etc, without being on her meds. I have advocated that suicide attempts be called suicide attacks – like heart attacks, because I think for some it is a psychotic break that makes them carry out the act with a manic obsession to complete it. And I’ve also advocated changing the term ‘mental health’ to ‘brain health’ or ‘brain disease’ – as it removes the huge stigma and helps people understand the mind-body connection – regardless of what triggered it or how it is cured.

  120. Vivianne Bentley

    Love, love this . Thank you so much to Dr. Brogan for synthesizing this information in ways that are so practical and inspiring for everyone. As a Holistic Psychologist I share
    Dr. Brogan’s belief system and views on nutrition, exercise and other lifestyle changes such as meditation. Sometimes I have clients who have experienced a lot of trauma
    which may prevent them from making the behavioural changes needed and, in those cases, extra support in working through difficult feelings, hurts, grief and false beliefs can assist the healing process. Thank you Marie also for being such an inspiration to us all.

  121. This video was probably one of the best ones yet! I was saying YES to so much to what Dr Brogan was saying……I was diagnosed with anxiety last year…..I have never felt so out of balance in my life. It was not just on a physical level….it was on a soul level! The fear that I feel for the physical symptoms that come with my anxiety have been somewhat paralyzing. BUT YES, i finely have started to see it as a blessing. I have never done so much reading and research of the mind, body and soul connection (and this is coming from someone who has ALWAYS believed in mind, body soul health) as I have now. It’s like it has forced me to go into a whole other level that I would have never understood or even considered understanding that what I have done now. But what I am taking away with me today from this video is to start the kundalini meditation practice. I am still working on some fear based challenges and have really been searching for something that I can do myself to change my neurological thinking pattern so that I can over come these fears. THAN YOU!

  122. I want to re-listen and re-absorb all of these simple yet profound insights. One of my favorite take-aways ” the body doesn’t make mistakes – it is trying to communicate with you” (paraphrasing). Today I will listen and not ignore what this girl is trying to tell me and the respond with ” yes of course you can have something more delicious and nutritious !!!!”. I appreciate this mind shifting content and the many many hours of research and refining that went on behind the scenes to make this such a palatable and powerful interview.

  123. I’ve experienced so many health issues over the years, and most of them were brought on by the medications that a doctor prescribed me. My most recent victories have been over the constant joint pain that they said was rheumatoid arthritis, I finally shook a 2 year long addiction to Zyrtec, and my acne is mostly gone. Back when my doctor first told me to take Zyrtec because of constant hives, I remember I specifically asked her whether there are any negative consequences from taking Zyrtec everyday, and she said it was fine to do that for forever. After tons of testing and suffering, I’ve finally realized that I’m allergic to certain foods. I cut those foods out, and now I’m hive free. It’s taken a LOT of investigation and persistence, but I stuck with it mainly because I felt that conventional medicine had not gained me anything–so there was no other alternative.

  124. This is really a life-changing interview. Every person out there who thinks holistic medicine and approach to health is a bunch of hippie talk will be speechless after watching this amazing woman talk. Her absolute strength is having been trained just like any other doctor out there. Not only does she actually know how the system works, but she’s also figured out it’s incredibly flawed. This woman is changing the world. I’m absolutely in awe.
    Thank you, Marie for interviewing Kelly and Kelly, thank you for all the work that you do! You can be sure I’ll be taking your 44-day course.

  125. Drue-Ann

    Amazing! Thank you!!!

  126. Janene

    Dear Marie,

    Thank you so much for bringing this episode. Just last week I got the news from my doctor (much to his surprise) that my inflammation was gone. Since first diagnosed (Crohn’s, Aug 2014) I was convinced that the root cause was something I could learn to manage and that medication was not a long term solution I could accept. I was also grateful that my body was giving me this signal so that I was cued to do, to live life differently. I turned to mindfulness and meditation practice to change things. At first I agreed to medication. I soon found that I had more discomfort and pain from the medication then I did from the disease itself. It drove me nuts. The last medication I took even landed me in the emergency room (Jun 2016). After that I took myself off everything and decided to go without. In Dec the inflammation was holding steady (at a higher level) and it had been there for half a year. I agreed with Dr that if it didn’t lower by March I would try another treatment. I was determined to do what I could to get that inflammation down during those three months. With a lot of meditation and slight diet changes, and determination…it happened. He was shocked it wasn’t just low it wasn’t there at all. Ha ha! I did it. Anyhow I totally agree that, for me, medication is not the path to better health. I’m still young at 47 and don’t want to be on medication for the next 40.
    Instead I want to live life in a way that is aligned with what my body needs. I’m learning how to do this and am grateful for the experience. I will continue to listen to what my body is telling me. I wasn’t able during the past 2.5 years to do my regular exercise and it broke my heart. So that thing that I’m starting to do is to ease back into some of the sports that I love so much but haven’t been able to do ( MTB, Xco and tennis) … not all at once mind you. 🙂 Thanks again for sharing and for confirming my own experience with this great episode.

  127. Lindsay

    As others have pointed out, there are a few serious problems here. If this approach works for everyone, why is it directed explicitly toward women? We are constantly being told we ‘should’ be doing a multitude of things for the sake of health and wellness — and on top of it, if we have depression it’s our fault for eating a bagel. Can we talk about how enormous the wellness industry has become, and be transparent for a moment about the ways various professionals are profiting from our (esp women’s) desire to be ‘well,’ to be enough, to be esteemed? And not all of us have the privilege of access to an army of naturopaths, specialists, and Ivy League doctors. I’ve suffered from depression for years – formerly medicated, currently rigorous with my diet, exercise (weight training and HIIT/intervals), yoga, meditation….still depressed. To call depression a gift instead of acknowledging it as the seriously debilitating condition that it is is genuinely harmful.

    • Lindsay, I can hear the anger, hurt and frustration in what you wrote. Given the pain you’re clearly in, perhaps being open to another perspective could serve you. Because clearly what you’re doing now doesn’t seem to be.

      I’d encourage you to read through some of the comments and consider alternate perspectives — many from folks who’ve also suffered from depression, bi-polar and a host of other diagnosis who followed a similar philosophy of using food, exercise and lifestyle changes to recover their health. Many are not patients of Dr. Brogan — simply fellow humans who have seen similar outcomes from using natural methods to regain health where traditional meds did not work.

      To respond to your question about why direct it at women: I can’t speak for Dr. Brogan, but each of us has the right to direct our time, energy and life’s work towards whomever we feel most called to work with.

      Regarding your profiting comment, I’m certain you realize that in our current society, earning a living (which means making money) is necessary. Do you earn money to live and support yourself and your family? If so, you’re profiting off of something, as does anyone who earns an honest living does.

      • Lindsay

        Dear Marie,

        Thank you so much for taking the time to reply to my comment. I did not mean to suggest that Dr. Brogan was wrong to direct her energies toward women, or to profit from her work — we all should profit off our hard work. It’s just that I’ve found the most release from the grip of depression when I can stop seeking to be ‘better,’ more perfect, more well, and understand that I — all of us — are actually just fine. And that feeling depressed is actually ok too (a thought Dr. Brogan expressed that I did really appreciate). It is tough when even discussions around depression are encouraged to be positive….you know? Having lost a family member to suicide, I also have a difficult time accepting that depression might be a gift. Maybe there’s room for depression and even negativity *at times*? Not at all the time. But sometimes what you need is to just acknowledge how you’re feeling.

        • Hey Lindsay, I agree with you 100% that we must allow ourselves to feel the full range of human emotions. Anger is not intrinsically bad (sometimes, it’s quite useful!) Nor can anyone be “happy” or “energetic” all the times. Sadness, grief and yes, feeling depressed in my opinion are absolutely normal.

          But there’s a big difference between experiencing these natural human emotions and feeling a deep sense of hopelessness and despair that does not go away. I’ve dealt with mental health issues in my family and know intimately how devastating they can be.

          What this episode is about is offering an alternate perspective to consider when dealing with issues like chronic stress, brain fog, fatigue as well as mild to severe depression, from someone who trained, educated, experienced in the field and deeply committed to her work.

          While not everyone will agree with her philosophy or approach, it’s an important topic that I believe is worthy of discussion!

          • Penelope

            Marie, it is extremely irresponsible to invite someone to give medical advice on your show unless you are well-informed on the topic. I can guarantee you are not up to date on the current medical literature because you do not have medical experience, do not understand the brain and nervous system, do not have access to peer reviewed medical journals, and likely do not know how to interpret evidence based medicine. This is dispersing dangerous and inaccurate information. SHAME ON YOU!

  128. Susan Stam

    Dear Marie,
    Thank you so much! I want to do it all Dr. Kelly! So one way, ummm, food changes, mediation, exercise….I suppose I am starting with reading and learning then practice it. Food changes for health is really where I need to start and see what happens. Knowing that it might not me mental is really very reassuring. I have struggle with depression and anxiety for a very long time. Medication and without and back again. I listen to my body and know when something is very wrong so I just need to employ that instinct and food (good healthy, non-processed foods). Getting your book! Marie, just keep doing what you do and I am on the road to a better me. Now to figure my gift to the world and I got this!!!!
    Sincerely thankful,
    Susan S.

    • Scott

      So glad to hear you are taking back control over your health and purpose. Best wishes on your journey! 🙂

  129. Shona

    Wow, what a fantastic episode and such a joy to hear this perspective. I have suffered with severe depression and was adamant that I didn’t want medication after years of meds for other issues. I am so pleased to say that through diet, exercise, meditation, using a gratitude journal and a brilliant mental health nurse I have turned it around and when I let these things slip, boy do I get a reminder! I don’t take meds for anything now and I guess I did need to hit rock bottom to force me to examine my lifestyle and make a change. Thanks Marie for discussing this and really looking forward to reading the book.

    • Scott

      Wow. Such a powerful story. Kudos for learning to listen to your body. I also had to hit rock bottom before I realized what I had been missing. Thanks for sharing! 🙂

  130. Janice Hofmann

    Wonderful discussion with Dr. Broganon! I have an office with an OB/GYN where I do health coaching. I will definitely share this with the doctor as every key point was articulated so wonderfully.

  131. Thank you a million times for having Dr Brogan on! I love her teachings. We are finally getting the word out that food is our healer. And I love her perspectives and teachings on depression. I have always thought the same. My husband was diagnosed years ago with clinical depression and has been on medication ever since. Knowing his history of childhood I can see where his depression originated. His conventional Dr’s don’t see the pattern between his depression and chronic autoimmune dis-ease. Nor do they see the connection between food and all his aliements.
    I have healed my own illnesses through food and have been eating vegan and grain free for some time and have a completely healthy internal system. I know what food can do for you and to you. Often I’m in disbelief at our outdated system of Dr’s who are in denial of the mind body food connection.
    And since I do eat so clean, like the other comments on here, I can also feel it almost immediately and often for several days after when I eat the wrong food. Even quinoa makes me bloated. Learning what you’re body wants is a journey.
    Thank you for bringing this to the for-front of conversation!!!! LOVE IT!!!

    • Scott

      Such a wonderful comment. Thank you for sharing. Hope your husband is finally able to recover as you have!

  132. Marie and Kelly,

    Thank you, Thank you Thank you!!! Best time spent on my phone ever!!!! I am 53 and that covers many hours spent. I am a New B school student and depression and healing from cancer ( metabolic protocol ) have kept me from realizing my full potential. I loved hearing that depression is another gift like cancer is s gift. For the first time in months I don’t see the last few months as “wasted” time in bed! I have learned so much by being still. Now it’s time to get up, wake up and go for a walk and decide what is my next right step! Inspiration and perspiration here I come! Elizabeth Eisenhauer

    • Scott

      Wow. Go Elizabeth go!!! Thanks for the personal inspiration, and best wishes on your continued health and healing. While these “gifts” can be gut wrenching at times, I’m unbelievably thankful for my own health struggles and the opportunity to make a change.

  133. Vinnie

    Wow, Marie that was Kelly at her best. Have seen many of her interviews in recent years (all great) and this one was The Very Best Ever!

    Thank You!

  134. Kalil

    The action that I will do is find the time for meditation (and move that action off the to-do list.)
    The information that is presented is similar to much that is currently available: eat real food, move, and destress (meditate). (Bulletproof, Dr. Hyman, China Study all come to mind).
    The two questions that come up for me is how do you find the correct health partner, especially when they all have their perfect plan and they all sell their product. (A lot of the helpers mentioned in this video are not covered by normal insurance and there for come at an extra cost.) And how do you integrate​ these ideas with a family of different ages and genders.?

    • Hey Kalil! Here’s what I can share: if you can grab the book (from the library or bookstore) and start to work through the protocol on your own (making the dietary changes, the daily meditation and exercise) you’ll start to see the results for yourself.

      You’ll then have the personal experience that will allow you to introduce it to your family in a way that makes sense for them. Often, one of the most powerful things we can do to influence others is to lead by example. I’m excited for your journey!

      • Kalil

        Thanks! We are on a whole food plant based diet with no sugar, dairy, meat, alcohol, or coffee, and limited gluten. (We did try Paleo 1st and found whole plant food worked better for us.) Now it’s trying to find the right partner in health to get to optimum vitality. It’s been costly, both with time and money and confusing. (Do you eat meat and lots of oil or not?) We just keep at the experimenting and seeing what works. Thanks for bringing this health content out for all!

  135. Sonia Martinez

    Marie, how do you know what I need exactly when I need it??? I just woke up today commiting myself to getting out of my funk, knowing that I need more information on how to change my diet and lifestyle. I had a feeling that my lack of the best diet for me was feeding into my health issues (high blood pressure and extreme fibroid condition) but I did not know where to search for answers. Then, your email popped into my inbox. I want to thank you and Kelly for all your insights. I am so exited about making changes in my life – I can actually feel the veil of depressing and just feeling stick slowly lifting. I am going to get Kelly’s book and start on my journey to a better me right now. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

  136. Thank you so much for this reminder!
    B12 is now on my table.
    BUT, I know how to put myself in that expansive state, and I’m going to make a routine of staying aware of it and doing it over and over again, until I see that my response to the stressful factors change.
    Thanks again <3

  137. Thank you for the video with Dr. Kelly Brogran. You may have saved my life today. I am going to change how I eat and embrace meditation.

    • Thanks for watching Melodie, I’m so very glad you found this helpful. I urge you really give the full action plan a go and see the results for yourself.

  138. Absolutely priceless episode, Marie – thank you, and Dr. Brogan, very much! This hits home in so many ways. I’ve been learning more and more about the realities of health and nutrition, and the role that “modern medicine” plays regarding staying healthy, since my little brother passed from cancer a few years ago.

    Needless to say, my eyes have been opened some more! Being dual-diagnosed, and still struggling with how to be “normal,” I’ve recently taken another major step towards eating a healthy diet (previous steps included starting to drink water and almost completely stopping the intake of sodas). I have a long way to go, but I think Dr. Brogan’s book will be major beneficial towards improving my journey.

    I’m a staunch advocate of Ty Bollinger’s TTAC and TTAV as my basis for objective and factual information, but he hasn’t explored depression and mental issues, per se. Your video and article here is now in my “arsenal” of valuable information for this.

    Also, I’ll be seeing about finding and scheduling a doctor visit for a naturopathic “physical” in the near future, if I can find one that takes Medicare. Uuuhhhh, Dr. Brogan, do you make house calls to Missouri? lol

  139. Ivan Šestak

    Marie hvala ti što pomažeš ljudima sa svojim prijateljima i doktorima drugim ljudima. No ja dobivam Milosti Majke Božje koje lječe sve bolesti svijeta nedokučivo za ljudski um i tu svoju Milost također dijelim svim potrebitim ljudima cijelog svijeta ove Zemlje. Amen.

  140. Steph

    Original comment two long, split into two:
    Good morning, and thank you Marie and Kelly, this is exactly what I needed right now. I apologize in advance for the length of this post, but I have a lot to say 🙂 on this topic!

    I will start with my current situation. I am 39 and have been on sick leave from work for the past month. Officially diagnosed with depression in January/February of 2016; but for me, I personally feel it is so very much more than this, and I’m having an extremely hard time recovering. I have gained about 50lbs within the last year and a half alone, but I’d say almost 90lbs in total within the last decade. I am so tired all of the time that I am struggling to stay awake, even when driving, let alone at work. I therefore have to ‘nap’ frequently. At the same time, I suffer from insomnia, and even prescription sleeping pills don’t put me to sleep. I was prescribed a drug called Effexor for my depression, which did help in the beginning, (and I suppose is technically helping at the moment, if only keeping me together enough to barely function) but I think it’s value has passed. I have a desk job as an Administrative Assistant (AA) for a large public school board, it is extremely fast paced and high stress. Most AA’s do not get and/or take breaks, work overtime without proper pay, and are expected to be ‘on’ and running at 110%, 100% of the time. (I happen to be good at this, when I’m not on the verge of a ‘mental breakdown’;-), but I don’t necessarily enjoy it. That’s a problem. I was never one of those lucky individuals who knew what they wanted to be when they grew up, I wanted to be so many things and it changed monthly/weekly/hourly, etc.; I definitely couldn’t fathom doing the same thing for the rest of my life. That thought alone was depressing to me. ) But I digress, enough about the present, I could go on for quite some time! Let’s move on to the past, I promise, I will be as brief as possible.

    I have always been labeled as ‘shy’, ‘quiet’, ‘too sensitive’, and have also always felt that these labels are not quite fitting. I have always been more ‘solitary’ in nature, and have required a good deal of ‘alone time’. I have also always just ‘felt different’. I was officially diagnosed with Generalized Anxiety Disorder about 12 years ago. I was having panic attacks and couldn’t really leave my house. I was terrified of being fired for not going to work, so I went to a doctor, who prescribed me Paxil and sent me on my way. Paxil was numbing, there is no other way to describe it. I didn’t feel anxious, or sad, or worried, or happy, or … I think you get the picture. Quite simply, I didn’t feel at all. So, after a month or two, I took myself off of Paxil, which in itself was almost debilitating. Luckily, at the same time, I was educating myself on the benefits of holistic healing in pets, and so I began to question the benefits for healing myself. Phew! I was able to pull it together with a bit of Kava Kava and deep breathing, or so I thought. Eventually, I was able to ‘manage’ my anxiety with food (lack of to be specific; this was the first time that I realized a lack of something in my diet was making me anxious, and sometimes I would feel instantly better when I ate something ‘healthy’) and/or deep breathing. I learned enough to keep me going, but obviously, not enough to really heal. Again, I could go on, but I can only fit so much info into a comment on a video! So, I’ll try and get to the point soon, I promise!

    I attempted to take time off from work last year, shortly after I was diagnosed. I did, at the time, also decide to opt out of seeing a Psychiatrist. The reason? I have had a lot of ‘bad luck’ with medical professionals in the past. For example, I was hit by a truck when I was 15, it wasn’t a terrible accident in that I wasn’t critically injured. I was sent home from the hospital with some tylenol 3’s (which I’m sensitive to codeine, but didn’t know it at the time) and a set of crutches. No physio, no recovery, nothing. I began getting tension headaches a few years later, and my family doctor prescribed muscle relaxants, and sent me on my way. I began getting ear infections continually in my early 20’s. By this time, I had moved to a new city and just started going to a walk in clinic. (My family doctors, there were 3 in the practice and you pretty much just saw whomever was available, were mediocre at best. My very first pap test was incredibly painful, I was traumatized by this and did not have another until last year. Doctors, unfortunately, can scar you for a long time.) Oddly enough, I saw the same doctor almost every time I went, he would tell me I have Swimmers Ear, prescribe antibiotics, and send me on my way. Finally, after about 2 1/2 years and close to 10 infections, I asked to see a specialist. I was officially diagnosed with Psoriasis, prescribed a random cortisone cream (I still use cortisone in my ears), and was sent on my way. Anyways, again, I’m pretty sure you get the picture. So, I did see a counselor (actually may have been a Psychologist, can’t quite remember), I decided to talk to someone through a service provided at work. With our benefits plan, access to ‘Mental Health Professionals’ is free to access. This wasn’t particularly helpful to me, I felt the focus was more about getting me ‘back in the saddle’, so to speak, not really about getting me healthy. Getting back to work was the best thing, assimilate, you’ll feel better. (Flashbacks to my youth began creeping in. I was asked so many times throughout Elementary/Junior High/High School, by everyone in authority. Guidance Counselors, Teachers, Principals, family members, friends, etc., what was wrong. Why was I so quiet? It’s sort of given me a complex at this point!) I felt the exact opposite, I first and foremost, needed a rest. Everyone disagreed (except my hubby, he’s a champ!). It was like pulling teeth to get time off work. Even though I had almost 3 weeks worth of ‘sick days’ accrued, I was made to feel guilty for using them, if I really didn’t need them. My family doctor at the time (Yes, I decided, since I hadn’t had a ‘family doctor’ since my teens, and it seemed to frustrate the medical community to continue using a walk in clinic without committing to one doctor, that I would ‘adult’ properly and commit to a ‘family doctor’. This experience alone is laughable, I am now on my third ‘family doctor’ because they keep leaving the clinic.) told me that I would regret using all of my sick time, because I may need it later. I would also regret using all of my vacation time. Again, I knew I needed a rest, pretty much demanded time off and reluctantly received a doctor’s note for 2 weeks off, then an additional 2 weeks…reluctantly. I spent the entire time feeling so guilty that I was taking time off, and explaining why I even needed the time off to the Ability Consultant assigned to my case from work, that all I really accomplished was an extended vacation. I was still sick, I still needed help, but I had to work and pay bills/debt. Suck it up! So, I did. At the time, I was working in within the HR Department at head office, which had an underground parkade. For the reminder of my time in this position (approximately 6 months), instead of taking a lunch break, I would go to my car everyday and sleep. I would pick my husband up at work on my way home, because of the difference in our shifts, I would always have about 1/2 hour to 45 minutes, so I slept in the car. When I got home? Yep, I slept, if you can call it sleep. I had been telling my family doctor for months that I was barely functioning, I was also incredibly unhappy with my job (I found it absolutely mindless, and had talked to my boss, and everyone up the food chain all the way to the Managing Director of the department; promises of new and exciting challenges were always discussed, I just had to wait a bit longer.) and finally saw a internal job posting that looked interesting, applied for it, and got it. My doctor was thrilled! I was weary, it was a lot of stress, but it couldn’t be worse than being so bored, right? Wrong! WRONG!!! END OF PART 1

  141. Jennifer Greathouse

    It’s taken me a few hours to get to writing this but I had to comment on this video. First of all, thank you for bringing this information to light. Dr Brogan addressed several things I have tried to get Dr’s to understand about my bod (namely wheat triggers massive inflammation and depression in me that last for 5 days per exposure) I applaud your personal approach to this interview as well, your toned down hair, makeup and clothes for this video conveyed a powerful message of empathy for those of us that do not have it all pulled together.
    I’ve gone though this experience myself and know 100% that what Dr Brogan speaks about, specifically the relationship between food input and mental output, is absolutely real. 4 years ago I started a no grain / no sugar diet hoping for quick weight loss and I was so surprised that within the first 2 weeks not only had I lost 11 pounds (mostly water weight from bloating) but all of these mental issues I had suffered from my entire life just vanished. Depression, anxiety, angst, insomnia, fatigue and general hopelessness and obsessiveness just went poof!
    After 2 years of slowly healing all the years of damage done to my body, everything changed when a storm sent a tree crashing though my house triggering a year long remodel (during the first year of our new business as well) where I lost control of preparing my own food and ultimately my diet.
    Even though I know the answer to my problem (get back on the diet!) I have not found a way to ‘wake up’ and stop trying to kill myself with bad lifestyle choices. I think after years of taking care of everyone else (including planning/shopping/preparing every bit of food my family consumed) I just can’t anymore. I logically know that as awful as I feel at this moment, that if I went back to a non-inflammatory diet that I would feel so much better but I can’t find a way to give myself a way to heal.
    I have always avoided medications for all the same reasons Dr Brogan mentioned and I’d like to note that personally within my family, antihistamines seem to be a class of drugs that trigger negative mental effects significant enough that I will not take them anymore under any circumstance.
    Exercise and meditation are tools I’ve never put to use but I like Dr Brogans approach to very short windows at the beginning of each day. I usually wake each day trying to shake off the hours of panic and worry that make up my ‘rest’ each night so this is something I can see changing the direction of my day.
    You asked after the interview what is 1 thing we can do today to reclaim our health and it took me a few hours find something simple enough that I can manage to do it (really just not being on the couch all day counts as a victory for me lately) and something I’m hopeful enough about that I can follow through with doing it instead of talking myself out of it. In 2 hours I’m scheduled to get a nice B12 cocktail injection that I hope gives me a little spark that I can grow into something more.
    I know this is long and rambling but it was important for me to post this today. If for no other reason, to remind myself I already have the answers I need, I just need to decide that I’m worth putting it all to use.

  142. Steph

    COMMENT 2 OF 2
    I have been doing a lot of research and have discovered quite a lot about myself, that I feel may contribute to my current situation. Without getting too much into details, I believe I am a Highly Sensitive Person (HSP), which would explain why I feel certain things so deeply, and always have. I also, may be Gifted (which is no gift as far as I’m concerned. Some of my siblings are, but I have never been officially tested. I have learned that it runs in the family, if one sibling is gifted, odds are all siblings are.) which comes with it’s own set of potential psychological issues, and I am quite introverted (thank you Marie for your interview with Susan Cain) as well. I have always known I was ‘different’, for as long as I can remember. I have always described myself as a watcher. I would prefer to listen and observe, than actively participate. I guess you could say that my active participation in social situations IS listening and observing. I’m not a ‘chit-chat’ person, it’s not natural to me. I am perfectly comfortable hanging out with someone for hours while not saying a word, because that IS socializing to me. I am a deep thinker and there really isn’t much, that I’ve found anyway, that I can do about it. The small group of close friendships I have developed over the years, are with people who have become comfortable with my silence. They know that I definitely do speak my mind when necessary, discuss a plethora of topics, have a variety of interest; I just think long and hard about things first. The most important thing I have learned is that there is nothing wrong with being a highly sensitive, gifted, introvert because these are things that I cannot (and should not have to) change.

    Finally, I feel I should explain why it is that I feel like I need time off work. It’s not because I’m lazy, I’ve been working since I was legally entitled to work (16); from 12 if you count baby sitting. I have a great work ethic, or at least had one, not so sure now. My goal is to get healthy by developing a healthy lifestyle, it’s that simple. But, for me to do that at this point, I need the time to focus on me, because I am broken. After a lifetime of being told that what I’m feeling and seeing is not actually happening (too sensitive), that if I would only be like everyone else I could be happy (gifted), and that I should talk more, smile more, participate more (introvert) because that is what is expected; I am lost! For the last month I have been working on cleaning and organizing the house (side effect of severe depression is not giving a sweet f*ck about your surroundings, cleaning often gets put on the back burner, hubby can’t and shouldn’t have to do it all), creating the most basic plant based (sorry Kelly, I will agree to disagree with you on the necessity of animal products in our diet) whole foods meal plan, and a basic exercise regimen. In a month, due to a multitude of symptoms/side effects, I fell like I may have gotten to the halway point, if I had to put it in a timeframe. Meaning, I am cooking almost all of my meals at home, and mostly from scratch. I have been walking much more than usual, but exercise is a struggle still; I think it will get easier as my diet improves. My home is coming along, I actually have a squat rack that I am super excited about!

    So, here we are! I have demanded time off again (I’m so difficult!) because I’m waiting for an appointment with a Psychiatrist in mid May. It was so hard to do, that I actually yelled at my doctor (not the right way to handle it, I know.). After explaining myself and what I’m going through at the moment, to yet another medical professional, that seems to lack any amount of compassion or empathy, I cracked… I said to him, in the most scathing tone I could muster ‘With all do respect doctor, you have known me for approximately 20 minutes (doctors tend to have a habit of reminding you of the 15 minute time limit on your appointments, it’s incredibly helpful!), barely glanced at my records, and that simply isn’t enough time to know either way what is best for me! I have been continually asking for help for the last year and half; have been telling my doctors, plural because they seem to leave this clinic regularly, that I can’t function properly! That I feel like I’m one small incident away from a full blown mental break down, and your advice to me is to suck it up and go to work! Do I have to be suicidal? Or, should I wait until I actually have a breakdown and go postal? Yes I am being a tad dramatic at the moment, but I am not going to work until I see a Psychiatrist, and if I have to quit my job then so be it!”. I was livid, and bawling my eyes out. He reminded me that I was the one to refuse the Psychiatrist last year, so what did I expect. He reluctantly gave me a note excusing me from work until my ‘specialist appointment’ and said the Psychiatrist can decide what’s best from now on. I stopped at the front desk, asked for a copy of my medical records, and left.

    Now, I know inevitably many will assume, by all of the ‘complaining’ above, that I am simply a lazy, whiny, snowflake who just needs to get over herself for crying out loud! And you just might be right, because honestly, at this point I don’t even know anymore. And believe me, I am in this camp most of the time. I feel guilty about taking time away from the world almost all of the time. So, my question is this (Finally! Right? I know, I’m sorry it took so long, I’m not that great at summaries!) am I just blowing everything out of proportion? If so, what should I do to bring myself back down to reality? If not, how can I heal myself if I can’t find/take/afford the time off to do it?

    P.S. Thank you to anyone who stuck with it and read my whole post. As a side effect, I have a hard time organizing my thoughts and putting them down in written form, as you can probably tell! Kudos!

    • Scott

      Hi Steph! I hear you. Enjoyed reading this. 🙂 Kudos for passionately pursuing what you believe in. For me it’s sometimes helpful to pull back and see things from a 30,000 ft. view. Sometimes just that perspective shift is enough to turn off my stress response, and place my focus onto something uplifting (even when it’s not the majority). Best wishes in your healing journey. 🙂

      • Steph

        Thanks Scott, I appreciate the advice!

  143. Laura

    Marie. I adored today’s episode. Thank you for your contribution and Kelly’s. Since I met the lovely Kris Carr, I firmly believe in nutrition as the key to every aspect of our well being. I’m a vegan myself and having changed my diet changed my lifestyle and my choices for good. I lost almost 70 pounds, stopped drinking, started exercising, became more at peace with myself and with others, etc. The only thing that is still a big “I haven’t mastered it yet” for me is meditation. Today’s suggestions are good and I will start implementing them but if you have like an episode of Don’t know what to do, please consider getting deeper into meditation with us just for people like me who, sometimes, feel really lost at that department. Love always, Laura

    • Congratulations Laura! It sounds like adopting a plant-based diet has worked wonders for you. Brilliant!

      Meditation: I have a free download and meditation tutorial here. This is my personal practice and it’s VERY simple and easy to do:

      • Laura

        Thanks a lot for the suggestion Marie and for taking the time to reply to my message on your pretty busy schedule. I will follow up your advice and check out your personal meditation practice. Just to celebrate baby steps today I did it for 10 minutes. It’s a start. Yeiii! 🙂 Much Love, Laura

  144. Ulla

    wow, this was a brilliant episode, love what Kelly has to say and her knowledge!!!!!!! If possible, i would be glad, if Kelly could give an advice in terms of B 12, i don`t know, how to get B 12, i tried to include chlorella into my diet, but then i learned, that this B 12 in chlorella ist not suitable for the human body,…..what kind of alternative do i have? I also suffer from thyroid insuffiency, and i am vegetarian for 44 years now and a vegan for about 4 years… i do need to add B 12 into my diet …..any ideas?
    i agree with Kelly, that basically we know our cure insight ourselfs, but it`s a long journey to hear the inner wise voice… tools are similar to those of Kelly……try to eat a balanced, organic and healthy diet, move my body, avoid drugs, develop a positive state of mind, etc….and i think – as Kelly does – helping others is very effective in order to maintain or gain back your healthy state….

  145. I have fibromyalgia and I am constantly in the state of “there’s no way out” I have been feeling quite desperate over the last few weeks and considering going back on medication. When I first saw your email I thought great another person saying that I can just fix this, when there’s no fix. I decided to watch anyway and I’m glad I did. I received the message loud and clear that medication will only stop me from reaching the true source of my inflammation and fatigue. I’m definitely buying the book so I can have the full story. Thanks for introducing me to dr Kelly

  146. This was a great episode! I have undiagnosed depression, and it runs in my family. I’ve always felt strongly about mind over matter, but wow! Diet is most certainly a factor in my case, though that never registered with me till now. I have also been recently thinking about how hard it is for me to wake up in the morning (just always seem to be in a dream state when the alarm goes off). I would love to learn more about what I can do to find balance in my life. There are so many things out there that claim they can help you achieve this, but I think with Ms Brogan’s credentials she is certainly the real deal!

  147. I’m 9 months post partum and I’m the woman she mentions in her about: coffee by day, wine by night. This is not my best self. Plus my man is having health issues of his own so (gulp) time to take the 30 day challenge. This video by far is the one I’m most affected by. Health is a treasure and it cannot be taken for granted. Thank you so much!

  148. Wow! Thank you so much ladies, an amazing inspirational video. I’m trying to meditate daily, love the idea of yoga meditation. I’m following the Japanese method of drinking 640ml of water first thing in the morning and see my health and skin improve, more top tips over at, thank you so much again, love love love Cxxx

  149. Meredith

    I agree with Dr. Brogan…to an extent. A healthy diet, exercise, and well-rounded course of care can have an exceptionally positive impact on mental/health, no doubt. It should have been mentioned, however, that there is still a time and place for properly prescribed medication.

    As someone who has been on and off of medication for major depressive disorder since high school (who has not experienced trauma of any sort), I can tell you that simply eating a better breakfast did not prevent or alleviate my depressive episodes.

    To give overly simplistic examples – like the one about the psychotic woman who’s family had a restraining order against her as if it was strictly because she had a misdiagnosed wheat sensitivity – diminishes the struggles of scores of people dealing with mental illness and is dangerous and misleading. Likewise, she mentioned terminally ill cancer patients responding to nutrition based treatments but didn’t acknowledge other factors that might play a part (genetics, environment, etc.). Cancer doesn’t discriminate solely based on your diet.

    I also wondered how the doctor would approach someone who has a mental illness and suffers from an eating disorder. A restrictive diet would be likely to cause more problems.

    I appreciate the sentiment of this episode but it came across as a very black and white approach to issues that can never be addressed in a one size fits all manner.

    • Lindsay

      Thank you for this comment! I’m so glad to read that I’m not alone in having the same thoughts. Depression is complicated, probably very individual, and at times deadly, and I just feel like this approach is too simplistic, a tad condescending, and also perhaps misunderstands the condition on some level — depressed people are often barely surviving, not always in a place to optimize their diet. I’m convinced that a good diet and exercise play a big role in mental health, but this seems more applicable to everyday stress than to major depression.

      I also did a bit of research and found that Dr. Brogan is charging $4,497 for a two hour consultation plus one hour follow up charge. This is a woman who wrote in August 2014 that “as citizens of this capitalist nation, we cannot rely on corporate-sponsored news media for the truth.”

      Marie, I usually love your content, but speaking as someone who has lost family to depression, please reconsider this message.

  150. I like her she gets it and is so smart that she can explain it to all of us! Will try this

  151. Jan

    Marie this episode is so significant for me today for many reasons. In my life I have had 2 recurring dreams, one was about my mother after she died when I was 18 years old, the second was more of a nightmare of not being able to see when I am driving. This dream has surfaced during a very painful and difficult time in my life and I read that recurring dreams are wake up calls, to pay attention to something, (doubly so if you can’t see in your dream) I needed to open my eyes to something I was blind to. The first time was when I was in an abusive marriage and it went away when I finally got the gumption to leave. I had that dream yesterday and woke up not really knowing why. After hearing Kelly speak I realized it is imbalance in my life. I knew that I have been depressed. (been down that rabbit hole before) so I have used all the tools that I know will keep me from going down too far. I see now what the dream is trying to tell me and am so thankful for Kelly’s work in the field of mental health. I am a medical professional (RN) of 40 years experience and like Kelly and most nurses I know would rather die than go to see a doctor. (Although I did find myself in the ER 3 years ago with chest pain as I did not want to be stupid about it) Turned out it was stress. I totally agree with everything she presented and am excited to find out more on her work.
    Thank you again.

  152. Amazing content and video! Thank you so much for sharing; however, I definitely disagree with her ultimate prescription of her way to help people getting their nutrition back in order. While I support people finding what works best for them and their bodies, Dr. Brogan should know more than anyone, that experimentation and tailoring for each body is crucial: and it should be done in a cruelty-free, whole food plant-based approach. Should someone decide they need to incorporate some animal fats and products, that is one thing, but the evidence-based medicine and science out there is undoubtedly clear (from research that is not backed by industry or self-serving entities) that animal-based proteins are directly related to cancer and about every other disease out there. Promoting a diet so heavy on animal-based foods is a travesty to everything else here, and I hope the underlying message of mindfulness and experimentation is not overshadowed by this promotion of a risky diet for us as a collective consciousness. With love and gratitude for this beautiful episode! -Lorna

    • Michelle

      Totally agree, Lorna! Thanks for saying it so kindly :))

  153. So great to hear this again. I am diagnosed with Coeliacs disease, have fatigue, depression, have high chance of type 2 diabetes and have fatty liver disease at 47. I am worried with the amount of the amount of wifi my kids use that this will be passed onto my children. Thank you.

  154. Trish Kaponga

    Exactly what I needed, when I needed it. I’ve been fighting against myself for years. I’ve been caught on a hamster wheel suffering from pain and inflammation, stress, anxiety and depression, taking medications and intolerant to dairy, sugar and gluten. This article reminded me that I’ve not been living true to myself. I’m going to buy her book and get started with living a life that I love immediately.

  155. Samantha

    I really appreciate the theme of this video. I’ve been depressed for the last several months, not feeling like myself, thanks to a few key life events. It’s been tough, and I’m eager to find ways to return to a me that feels normal and in control again. I just wish, as others have said, that she had a vegan or vegetarian version of the 30-day challenge. I was raised vegetarian, so meat and fish have never been a part of my diet. Because I was raised this way since birth, my reasons are different than others who chose veganism or vegetarianism for themselves. I’m weirded out by meat, don’t enjoy the smell of it, and I can’t imagine making it a part of my diet. Anyway, I did buy her book, so I am hoping to gain some insights that I can incorporate. Obviously there are vegan/vegetarian people who aren’t depressed, so there are ways to be happy and healthy without having to eat meat.

  156. Thank you so much for this great interview and information!
    I would very much like to try this diet and change, but I just can not bring myself to pay someone to kill and animal just so that I can eat it. What can I substitute for the foods based on animals? Is there a link to a vegan version of her diet? I would very much appreciate this!
    Thank you so much,
    Barbara Paz

  157. Ana

    Dear Marie and Dr Brogan !!
    Thank a lot for being you .. for your message .. you are an inspiration !!!.

  158. Debbie

    I loved this session- THANK YOU! I just recently signed up for one month of health/nutrition coaching, specifically to target my thyroid. I was already excited but now am really pumped!
    After getting my first session scheduled, the next thing I’ll do is buy this book!

  159. I found the video to be incredibly empowering – a common theme with MarieTV. Dr. Brogan’s treatment is further proof of where and how true health begins. WE have the power define ourselves in ways no chemical remedies will. Best wishes to everyone for a healthy and successful Spring!

  160. J

    Wow, a classic confusion of correlation and causation – hard to top this!

  161. Sounds a lot like Whole30. Great way to get more guidance and recipes for that type of diet.

  162. I loved this episode because finally I hear someone from the American medical world speaking about connection between our gut health and our health in general.
    I changed my lifestyle completely 2 years ago by going raw vegan, although I’m not eating stricktly raw anymore, I am a vegan and a true believer that what we eat is the most important factor in living a healthy life. In America however I see blinded people who consume drugs enormously, I’ve been laughed at so many times because of disbelief in the pain-killers and etc.
    SO happy to see that there is people like Kelly, who dig much dipper. I bought her book even though I don’t struggle from depression.
    Thank you for sharing that here, Marie, Kelly and Team Forleo!

  163. Barbara

    Thanks. I love this. It’s so great to have medical doctors starting to look at alternatives. I have been really confused about the amount of exercise I need. There’s a thought that we don’t need add on things, just use your body all day. I pretty musch do that and have my whole life. But now I do big heavy days sometimes. Then almost nothing. So, I think I believe she said 20 minutes a week of high intensity during a week makes sense as an add-on I can do. Thank Again.

  164. Christine Crockett Smith

    Cannot thank you enough for sharing this information. It will be so helpful to share this when I am trying to help someone understand that just because a Dr. prescribed it does not mean it is safe or necessary. Priceless. Can’t wait to read the book!

  165. LOVED this! For the past four years or so I’ve been free of all medications for a disease that was heavily treated with hormones (including menopause induction, I was 20 at the time!). I had a kind of “ah-ha” moment when I found information about the potential side effects of the treatments that my doctor hadn’t mentioned – something I don’t at all blame him for, provided he did the best he could with the knowledge he had. Regardless, I stopped my treatments, and turned to holistic methods instead. For this reason, I LOVE that you’re spreading the message about unknown side effects that could be working behind the scenes. I wish I had known sooner!

    However, 4 years later and my body is still healing from the side effects of being on hormone replacement/hormone altering treatments. I keep hearing and reading about this wheat/dairy factor though. I’m thinking that perhaps my next step is to eliminate those from my diet. I don’t eat a lot of dairy, aside from some eggs on the weekend, but I do love me some processed wheat! I’m assuming that the influence of wheat/dairy on an already inflammatory driven disease is quite intense. I think I’m going to challenge myself to give it a try.

    Thank you both for spreading such an important message and empowering us to take charge of our health and lives!

  166. I love all of your videos, but this one was amazing. Thank you! always thought that home remedies were better but now this information has confirmed that there is not a magic pill. Awesome! thanks again. Ready for a 30day Intervention. Dancing? who knew.

  167. Sara

    I wish I knew how to find these holistic doctors/healthcare professionals. I have switched PCP three times in the past year with no luck. How to I parse through those “ivy league credentials” to find someone who really “gets it”?

  168. What a beautiful and inspiring episode by two beautiful and inspiring women! Thank you so much Marie Forleo and Kelly Brogan.

  169. Absolutely brilliant, Dr. Brogan – everything you’ve said sounds logical and feels like truth. Thanks for having her on, Marie – You’re the best!

  170. Dinora Garcia Guillen

    Mil gracias Marie y Dr. Kelly Bragan!! totalmente de acuerdo, me encanto!! Tenemos que tener la mejor relacion con nuestro cuerpo (amarlo, escucharlo, conectarnos, conocerlo, confiar). Agradecida por lo que estan haciendo, educando de una forma tan natural y facil de entender. Gracias tambien al Dr. Nick Gonzalez (que en paz descanse). Abrazos y gracias otra vez!!!

  171. Aga

    Mmm, what a yummy episode 😋
    Thank you Marie, thank you Kelly.
    I’m so going for this 30-day no-grain, no-dairy, no-coffee, no-sugar journey. Let’s do it! 👊

  172. Dinora

    Perdon escribi mal su apellido Dr. BROGAN.


    My 19 year old daughter and I both battle systemic lupus, and the drugs used to treat the disease/syndromes are just as damaging to our bodies as the disease itself! I’ve toyed with taking a holistic approach but our resources in the rural south for anything other than “conventional medicine” are few and far between. We will be adding Dr. Brogan’s website to our regular visits and newsletter memberships.
    Thank you for the gifts you give to all of your subscribers!

  174. Hallelujah, finally a Dr who gets it. Thank you for this discussion. I suffered depression for most of my life, and have recently come out the other side of it. I went down all the usual paths for recovery and healing and nothing worked. After the birth of my fourth child I was finally over it and decided to heal myself. I used to be suicidal and are now in a space where I look back and can’t believe the person I had become. What changed it for me? Realising it was a gift, an opportunity to reset and reinvent myself to a degree. And I did this by resetting how I navigate through my life with me at the centre from a whole-wellbeing ( hauora) perspective. Knowing how many women suffer from depression and think they need to try and manage it has encouraged me to start my own business as a mindset trainer. Because I believe that when we take accountability for our own wellness, the wellness of our whole community improves. Thanks again would love to talk more to this x

  175. Jessica

    Really enjoyed this episode! I studied biomedical science at university and although I enjoyed learning how the body works, I always knew there was more than the black and white approach we were taught. This morning I made Dr Kelly’s delicious smoothie! I am rehauling my diet lately and my one thing I’m doing is quitting sugar!! Wish me luck! Thanks for sharing this Marie and Kelly 💕 Xx

  176. Annie

    I’ve been meditating for almost 3 years – have Headspace as well, but actually started with a book that came with a meditation CD – The Mind Body Syndrome by Dr. Howard Schubiner. I actually flew out to meet him at his practice in Michigan. He was a conventionally trained doc and he’s my age – middle aged. I have Multiple Sclerosis going on 16 years now since diagnosis with chronic pain, migraines as well as quite a lot of personal trauma….meditation has helped but the other components I am now starting after visiting an Integrative Medicine doctor at Stanford. She too recommended this diet protocol. My family of 8 used to call me the carbo queen and it’s been difficult along with my cheese habit (fave food). I think I’m starting to feel much better and this video has helped as well Definitely plan on getting Dr. Brogan’s book – next stop. Thanks so much, Marie – for all your videos!

  177. Philippa

    It’s so great to see someone who couldnt be closer to conventional medical practice realise its shortcomings and have the heart to speak out and help people listen to their bodies.
    I sometimes struggle to listen to my body because my thoughts often distract me from what’s going on. What is the meditative yoga called that Kelly mentions here? I’d love to try it.

  178. Tegan Ballinger

    I’m going to meditate right now. Thank you.

  179. Sarah

    Oh boy.

    Let me say I’m in support of taking a whole-person approach to mental illness. Because not all treatments work for all people all of the time. A healthy diet, exercise, sleep etc are very beneficial. But it’s “not really quite easy”.

    I like many others who work in the mental health space who are commenting have some serious concerns about what Kelly is talking about, not least “Medication is opting out of your own journey.” Medication works for some people some of the time. This is shaming language.

    Let’s go with: “Women are being victimized by birth control.” I thought I’d deal with the issue of the pill because I’m rather familiar with the million women study she quotes.

    Kelly quotes the inaccurate stat that 80% of teens on the pill end up being prescribed anti-depressants. This is fear-mongering at it’s best and shows a complete lack of understanding of the data.

    This was a study done in Denmark of a million women over 14 years. Yes.

    For all women in the study, there was a 23% increase in relative risk of being prescribed antidepressants after beginning the pill. Risk varied depending on the type of birth control and by age. Data revealed that the outcome could potentially be worse for teens with an increase in relative risk of developing depression of 80%. Newspapers widely reported this finding. But some headlines got it very wrong and reported that 80% of women on the pill get depressed. WRONG.

    It is really important here to understand here how ‘risk’ gets reported. Relative risk (which was reported in the newspapers) is one of two ways to describe the same dataset. Relative risk tells us very little, but it sounds impressive and scary. ABSOLUTE risk, on the other hand, tells you how likely it is that the something will actually happen to you.

    Looking at the data from an absolute risk perspective we see that 1.7% of women not taking the pill were prescribed antidepressants. By comparison, 2.2% of women taking the pill filled a script for antidepressants. Thus the absolute risk for being prescribed antidepressants increased 0.5% for women on the pill.

    For women admitted to a psychiatric hospital for diagnosis (we can assume these women had more serious depression), 0.30% were taking the pill compared to 0.28% not taking contraception. So the absolute risk of needing antidepressant treatment when on the pill is actually quite small.

    To try to put the numbers in perspective for teenagers, imagine you have 100 teenage girls not on the pill. In a single year, five of them will be prescribed antidepressants. Take another 100 teens all ON the pill. Based on the Danish stats, nine will then go on to be prescribed antidepressants. The increase from five girls to nine girls is 80%, but in raw numbers equates to only four more depressed girls.

    THIS DOES NOT MEAN 80% of girls taking the pill being depressed!!!

    So while the risk of depression increases for teens on the pill (and it’s not good news for those four girls) it’s not as scary as the headlines made out.

    It was also rarely reported that the Danish study round after taking hormonal contraceptives for a year, the increased risk for depression wore off. And it’s possible the younger women were more susceptible because teens are more vulnerable to developing risk factors depression anyway.

    When weighing up pros and cons of depression versus the pill, we need to consider WHY many women would want to use contraception. Not only does it have many positive health benefits such as reducing cancer risk many years after taking it for a number of years, AVOIDING PREGNANY is hardly trivial; especially if you’re in your teens.

    Hormonal contraceptives are among the most reliable forms of birth control, and can be a great way to reduce anxiety around the potential of an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy.

    • This was so insightful and I love the explanation of statistics here! It’s a great thing to bring into this conversation. I was also curious, do you have a source about this study? I’d love to read more about this and the misconceptions mentioned.

  180. April

    Thank you Marie and Dr. Brogan for this episode. It was truly an answer to prayer for me to hear this today! I am wondering if Dr. Brogan’s team may know of any literature or have any case studies or examples of these techniques and approaches working for PTSD symptom management? Thanks again.

  181. You hooked me with breakfast. I was diagnosed with Type II diabetes last year, after years of working hard to avoid this family curse, and recently concluded I need a new breakfast. It was an extremely stressful job, that I left within 10 weeks, that pushed me over the edge, and I have been battling ever since. I have other stuff too, including permanent damage to my stomach, basically a chemical burn caused by medication for hypothyroidism, which progressed to a perforated ulcer because my doctor wasn’t listening to me and I was so depleted I could not advocate effectively. So much is out of balance. I will start with meditation, and the smoothie for breakfast, and find a time to start the month long dietary shift. I already have plans to begin a basic yoga practice with a friend, and would love to do kundalini with an experienced practitioner. I had a mind-blowing kundalini experience with a one-off guided meditation done by a novice, who didn’t fully understand what was happening (I pieced it together later). Maybe the right teacher is on the horizon now.

  182. Hi Marie,
    I am in tears as I write this comment. I love this interview with Dr. Dr. Kelly Brogan.
    It’s a really respectful approach to depression.
    I’ve dealt with depression since my early childhood. It’s good to look at it as a gift, as a chance to be reminded of something that is wrong for our body.
    Some years ago, I worked as simultaneous interpreter for an International Conference of Psychiatrists here in Mendoza, Argentina. It was about Depression. While I was interpreting I could not but feel ashamed and shocked that most patients were considered laboratory rats and they were never sure what drug could work, they were just experimenting.
    I had enough with birth control pills since I was 12, because the doctor could not find other solution to my hormonal issues, for a long time it was always about those pills and pain killers.
    In my late 40s, I decided to take control of my health and body and I did a lot of research about holistic treatments.
    Even though I could improve my health regarding physical diseases, depression is still something which brings periods of dark clouds to my life, especially when I cannot afford or chose a healthy diet.
    Dr. Brogan’s way of addressing the people who suffer depression brings a lot of relief, self-repect and hope.
    It was not a coincidence that the link to this video came into my email when I am quite under the weather.
    I’ll immediately do my research to start with the 3-minute meditation, I am not good at meditation and I never last 20 minutes or cannot keep a routine for more than 3 days, because the stress in my head always wins.
    Thanks a lot.

  183. What a wonderful interview, thank you so much for making this information available.
    My (adult) son, who has had health anxiety, chronic anxiety and depression for a decade, recently had an adrenal crisis and received a diagnosis of Addison’s Disease. He’s been told by the doctors that there is no cure for the condition and he’ll be on steroid hormone replacement medication for the rest of his life – he knows this can potentially have serious side effects in the long term.
    I’d love to know whether Kelly believes this condition can be healed naturally, and where to start looking for a solution.
    Thank you for any information you can provide.

  184. Lorie

    Thanks so much, Marie! My daughter is a psychology major in her senior year and I am a teacher. We have talked at length about the need for holistic treatment for mental health issues. The thoughts expressed by Dr. Brogan in your interview were like a validation of this conversation we have had for years! In fact, this passion is what lead my daughter to this field of study. As a teacher, I have seen many children exhibit behaviors that are incredible barriers to learning and others on medication for these behaviors who no longer have that beautiful spark. I hope through the work of Dr. Brogan and others people are able to receive the treatment that truly helps them enjoy total health.

  185. Jennifer Warchol

    LOVE, LOVE, LOVE this! My gut has been telling me these things since I was a child and for the past 3 years I’ve been on a journey to heal my adrenals that began with a dr giving me pharmaceuticals that made me so much worse. I finally listened to my body! Going the natural route has taken longer, but I feel so much better that I am learning how to treat myself and it will have lasting effects! Can’t wait to read this book!!!!

  186. Cherie

    Just because, I decided that April would be alcohol free for me and so I hadn’t had a glass of wine – or any other alcohol – until yesterday when I had lunch with my aunt who ordered us a glass of white wine each – and you just don’t say no to this aunt. For the rest of the afternoon my heart rate was elevated and I felt pretty awful – so I guess I can happily say cheerio to white wine in my life! It will be interesting to see if red wine has the same effect and champagne (really the only alcohol I drink).
    I can totally agree with everything suggested in this interview – food plays such a big part in our health – food can be a medicine or a poison – and we just need to be mindful of that.
    Thanks Marie for such great inspiration – totally love it.
    Cherie x

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Cherie, good for your for observing how you felt after lunch. Having the curiosity you do about it all, noticing how you feel, and making note of things that don’t feel great is what enables us to grow and make wiser choices for ourselves in the future!

      We’re so glad this episode resonated with you. xoxo

  187. Denzil Talbot

    Thanks Marie and Kelly for your informative discussion on “How to naturally deal with Depression”. One thing I will start to do right now, is reduce my coffee intake and junk foods, also for my four children. Not an easy task when it is actually my wife who suffers Depression, Anorexia Nervosa and is the person who controls the food intake in our house hold. I will certainly encourage my children to avoid eating less junk foods and take an active role to change this issue.

  188. Thank you for this post Marie! And thank you for your work Dr. Kelly. It’s so important for people to know they can take control of their health. For the past six months I was suffering from migraines, oftentimes up to five times per week. I recently met with a holistic nutritionist, changed my diet (the same as Dr. Kelly talks about here), and in less than two weeks my migraines are gone. Hallelujah! I’m now concentrating on getting my thyroid into remission.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      YES – hallelujah Tina!! So glad you found a path that’s working for you.

  189. Wow, the interview with Kelly Brogan was inspiring.
    From the “it’s asking for your attention”
    ….. food …. an informational exchange between your body & the environment
    ….morphic resonance …. inhabit the fulfillment of that missing piece
    ….feel that expansive sensation & you can experience the wonder of it all
    Those were my favorite parts …ooo I wrote out the breakfast smoothie recipe too
    That was a wonderful interview

  190. Thank you Marie and Kelly,
    This was such powerful, helpful information. I started having panic attacks in 2012 and have been trying to figure out what’s happening to me. I have gone mostly organic with my eating and eat as healthy as possible. I very rarely take medicine and need to be in extreme pain before I even consider taking a Tylenol. One thing I’ve been on for years is birth control to keep cysts and fibroids tempered. Following this episode, I plan to ask my doctor if we can consider having me go off of them. Thank you for educating so many of us with the work you do.

  191. Jon H.

    Great article and interview with Dr. Brogan! Kelly has been instrumental in helping me recover from gut and diet-related mental health, mood and energy issues that my other specialist MDs were clueless about. She also helped me appreciate and create space for self care, which has helped tremendously.

  192. Marie I listen & love your messages every Tuesday but this one was Pivotal. I’m 37 years old dealing with Throid disease Hashimoto’s & leaky gut. I completely resonate with & appreciate everything that was shared. I’m Paleo now & gluten & soy free & im starting to get my energy back & lost 10 pounds. Perfect timing for this episode. Thank you, it’s such a relief when someone has looked into the research & can validate what you know to be true. I’ve recorded several meditations for myself about healing & will incorporate some of the messages from this episode as motivation. Thank you, thank you, Thank you both! #SuperGrateful -Megan Wilson

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      Wonderful, Megan, we’re so happy this episode motivated and inspired you. Thank you for being here with us!

  193. Thank you for this Marie! One thing I can do is to seek out those Kundalini meditations Kelly mentioned!

  194. I am not normally someone who comments but on this one I just have to.
    I have a cousin who has suffered from chronic bipolar depression for the last 20 years. He ends up in hospital regularly because he is chronically suicidal and it has ruined his career and relationships. I have seen him on this journey for a very long time and have been to most of his doctor and hospital appointments and I feel in his case it is way more than just regular depression. He is heavily into meditation and I think he has always felt he could meditate his way out of this. He is also very anti medication and has spent the last 20 years on a cycle of getting so sick that he has to take all this medication and then feeling better and coming off everything and then 3 months latter crashing completely. All his doctors say he has to accept that he will need to take medication for the rest of his life to stay well. Because it is sooo hard to watch him go through these up’s and downs and I am also one of those people that beg him not to stop taking his medication because very time he does he crashes into someone who can’t speak or engage with the world and just says he doesn’t want to be here. So…. my questions is: Do you apply the same principals that you talk about in your video to someone who has a mental illness to this degree??? I would love to show him this video as I think he would love it but I am also scared to because I worry he will see it as a way to stop taking his medication again. He is currently in hospital just coming out of a very dark place and we are just starting to see some life coming back in.
    That said, while he is massively into meditation and yoga practices everyday his diet is something that he could look at. I wouldn’t say he has a terrible diet but it is certainly know-where near what you describe. So I will definitely encourage him to look at his diet but what are your thoughts re medication based on the severity of his case??

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Kammi, this is such an important question, and we so appreciate you taking the time to comment. It sounds like your cousin has been through so much, and we’re sending so much love to both of you and your family.

      As we aren’t doctors ourselves, it wouldn’t be possible or ethical to promise that the strategies Dr. Brogan shared this week would work in every case. Especially in situations where someone’s doctor is prescribing a certain treatment method, we recommend trusting the advice of the doctor or doctors who are directly involved.

      While it sounds like there have been cases of people suffering with more severe illnesses who benefitted greatly from the kind of natural remedies Dr. Brogan shares here, it sounds like the shifts they made were extremely gradual and done under the careful supervision of that person’s doctor, and may not be the right solution for everyone.

      If some of the strategies shared in this episode sound like they could help support your cousin’s well being, perhaps in tandem with treatment he’s already receiving (and of course with approval and support from his doctor), you might like to explore Dr. Brogan’s website for more specific details and information:

      There’s no one-size-fits-all solution, and as many people have shared in the comments on our episode this week, medication for some people can be a beautiful part of their healing journey, and that’s absolutely okay. I hope that your cousin continues to feel better, and we’re sending so much love your way!

  195. Pharma is a big giant to call out and I think you’re brave for doing so. I’m so grateful that Marie has brought this to her audience because so many people (especially in the US) need this message. I use a high natural fat diet with intermittent fasting (plus veganism) to stay at my best. But it took a while to find the right information for my body. I think the key is for people to take their life into their own hands, not trust a doctor and a pill, but listen to their bodies. Yet another thing that truly needs to be part of the education system. Such a valuable video. Thanks!!

  196. Katie

    Wow. What a profound episode. This has resonated with me so much. For the last year I have been connecting dots- the link between wellness and the food we eat, the negative cascade of medical intervention and the way holistic practices like meditation can transform your life. This talk has cemented my thoughts and has fuelled a fire to find out more. I’m grateful that you did this episode so I was able to find Kelly Brogan and find her work. Thank you!

  197. Michelle

    Some of these ideas are wonderful and wholistic. However, proposing meat — red meat in particular — while heart disease is the number one killer in America, seems irresponsible. Meat is the sole cause of heart disease and high cholesterol. Not good advice….

  198. Brenda

    Someone would have to chain me in the basement in order to go without my two cups of coffee in the morning! Seriously… Since this time last year, I cut out fast food, sugar, meat and other foods in order to get healthier. I’ve lost over 30 lbs but I “get what is being said” about there’s something off. I’ve been with anxiety and depression since I started school (and possibly earlier). I wasn’t officially diagnosed until 1997 but I already knew. I’ve tried exercise, meditation, medications, EFT, dietary changes and the list goes on.

  199. I am beyond grateful for Dr. Kelly Brogan’s work. I have been struggling with depression, right along side alcohol abuse for many years. When I finally took alcohol out of the picture I realized that the depression was still there! This work has not only assisted my holistic approach to removing alcohol but has me ready to change my diet as well. I am a personal trainer and yoga teacher and thought I was doing alright in that area, but making my way through A Mind of Your Own has sort of made everything just click into place. I am not yet through the book and have not done the full 30 day program, however I have begun a process of witnessing sources of wheat, sugar and dairy and have removed them slowly. I can feel subtle changes already and cannot wait to fully commit. I have even began to break this information down to help my clients. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

    • Chelsea - Team Forleo

      So grateful to hear that, Jennifer!

  200. Eva

    I love this . Forwarding it to my mother now. Right this minute i’m going to get a glass of water, and my next step is to cut coffee for a month. I’ve managed to do 3 days so far and it is challenging but for sure worth the effort!

  201. Vera

    Thank you so much for the episode! It brings much inspiration!

  202. jess

    really enjoyed this piece- it is complex (patterns, behaviors, mindsets). i wonder her take on supplements as well? I have tried much of what she suggests and will do again. i think many folks need a kickstart and i will say Plexus supplements have rocked my world and so so many people i have come across (it gives hope and steers people to better health choices) to start a significant healing process along with what kelly shares. each of us unique…more like this please!

  203. Anna Sandoval

    So wonderful to hear inspirational women on the same page as myself. I truly appreciate the time and effort it takes to so graciously assemble life changing information for your followers. I can only hope to be as passionate and concise when I share with loved ones. You have a “friend” in me. Again, thanks for your time and beautiful smiles.

  204. Denise

    Thank you so much for shedding light on this topic. After my mom passed from pancreatic cancer last summer, I’ve made it my mission to learn about nutrition and metabolism. Since January, I’ve incorporated low carb, high fat ( lchf) or keto diet that is promoted here and I have never felt better ( down 30 pounds too!) Really enjoyed the perspective offered here linking to inflammation and depression. Will be getting a copy of the book. Thanks again!

  205. Thank you Dr. Brogan and Marie!!! This is the same advice I give my clients and you have managed to take a complex subject and easily digest it in 30 minutes. Get back to basics, listen to your body, eliminate stressors, and be present with your thoughts. It was so well done with your thoughtful, nuts & bolts questions Marie, and Dr. Brogan’s eloquently put answers, that I cried half way through it! I hope this blog hits multi-million views. Sound advice for what ails America. Truly, I’m so glad I made time for this in my day.

  206. Virginia

    Marie and Dr. Brogan,
    Thank you so much for this episode. I have been struggling with some self-diagnosed depression for the last few months. I am 42 and have had small episodes of down periods in my life, but this has been the worst to date. I have a strong family history of depression, so I think I’m ultra sensitive to self-diagnosis, knowing the history is there. My husband watched this episode with me and we have committed to doing a Whole 30 starting asap (as the Dr. said, in a time where we can really commit 😉 ). We have done a whole 30 previously and it helped me a TON with brain fog, unsure about its effect on depression as I don’t think I was suffering at the time. Anyway, we kept it up for awhile, but over time have drifted away. My whole family are huge coffee drinkers (and depressed). Whole 30 doesn’t ask you to give up coffee, but I will drop that as well. All that to preface two questions for you :-).
    1. You mentioned the idea of putting coffee back in your diet and seeing the immediate effects. Assuming it has more of a cumulative effect, how to you suggest adding it back in and tracking the effect over time? Probably one possible trigger at a time. But how long do you hypothesize it would take to see a cumulative effect from coffee?
    2. You didn’t mention sleep in you discussion. Can you tell us how much you sleep and how you think this effects mental health?
    Or, maybe I should just buy the book ;-). I think my SIL just recommended it to me this week, but she couldn’t remember the title.
    Thank you so much for this episode. I think it has the possibility of changing MANY lives. I will share it widely.

  207. It’s not often a clear, personable and genuinely caring voice is heard above the chaotic and hyped-up noise of so-called modern-must-have-and-do life. Kelly, you are a breath of fresh air. Thank you for your investigation and communicating simply and softly a synergistic solution for a better quality of life.

  208. Dr. Kelly, thank you thank you thank you! Awesome interview. Already shared with several people who I know will benefit from it. xoxo Jules

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Thank you so much for sharing, Jules! We’re so glad this episode resonated with you 🙂

  209. Santana

    Loved loved loved this episode. Thank you Marie for bringing Dr. Brogan on the show. I am 27 years old and have anxiety, allergies, asthma and addiction (the 4 As!) and I swore to myself that if I can change the food I consume on a daily basis, I know it will forever change my life in the most profound way. I have this forever nagging message that my soul has been trying to get me to listen to: It’s all about nutrition. Thanks for the validation and literature to confirm this. I’m excited to start my new life. Much gratitude to you both!

  210. I loved this interview. Thank you Marie and Kelly. I suffered through and came through the other side of clinical depression and anxiety. I felt great shame about both. I also see them now as the gifts that changed my views, the lens through which I view the world and the way I live. Something I’d like to add to this discussion is that for me pharmaceutical medication did have its place. I practiced yoga, I meditated, I wrote gratitude journal after gratitude journal. I ate clean (I’d given up gluten, dairy, soy and alcohol to breastfeed). Nothing lifted. I barely had the energy to do the things I needed to do. Medication allowed me to do the hard work I needed to do to go within. It gave me the strength. There is so much shame around dealing with depression or anxiety, and then the added shame of getting help and the added shame of taking medication, that I think it’s really important to add this perspective. Yes, I think pharmaceuticals are overprescribed due to underfunded, under-resourced health systems and a lack of holistic education within the medical field. Yes, I prefer to send clients to a naturopath and to teach them meditation, yoga and mindfulness practices. (I’m a life coach/therapist) Yes, diet and lifestyle changes should always be the first port of call. Yes, we absolutely need to be empowered to take back control of our own health. But at the time, medication helped me (and it helps others) to hang on and to do the work. It has its pros and cons – like everything. Pharmaceuticals are as subject to dogma as any other topic. We need to be aware and empowered enough to make the right decisions – whatever they may be – with a range of well-informed, unbiased opinions (if those exist). We also need to make sure we don’t create shame around a topic that already carries so much. I don’t think in any way that was the intent – I’ve followed Marie long enough to know her beautiful heart. Just passionate about this topic. x

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Thank you so much for sharing your perspective and experience, Sonia. Medication can indeed be a beautiful solution for so many people in the short or long term, and it’s wonderful that you found a solution that helped support your well being and recovery. We appreciate you sharing your thoughts and being a part of this important discussion!

  211. Amy Howe

    Yes! I’m so extremely happy that a Dr is saying this outloud! I have been researching this very thing for several years now, I knew something was very wrong with my body after our 3rd child was born but No dr could help me. After seeing 7 different Drs and being tested for MS, ALS, thyroid disease, autoimmune disease, chronic fatigue syndrome, having CAT scans, MRIs, tons of Bloodwork etc. with no answers, I knew I was on my own….then with much prayer and research I discovered how vitally important True filtered water, natural food, B12, magnesium, potassium vitamin d & c are to all of our bodily systems and made a change, I am now completely healed from all symptoms and will never go back to the big pharma approach to healing mine or my families bodies. My passion is to try and help bring this to light to as many people as we can, to help show people that there truly is a better way!!
    Thank you & God bless
    Amy H

  212. I appreciate the focus of everything you said and offered, and support the holistic approach to emotional and psychological health 100%. With the exception to the first statement “Why depression is not caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, per se (in fact, there has not been a single study to prove that common myth)”.

    That is patently and dangerously false. It again blames the sufferer for something they’re “doing or not doing”, and a statement like that contributes to the problem. There are several factors that overlap into depression that have multiple causalities, that have a result of depression, but the drop of seratonin and dopamine in a persons brain that is suffering from depression is clinically provable and repeatably so. The same way low glutahione levels are present in people who have parkinsons.

    There are many things that should be explored when trying to treat depression, but please, I beg you, please be very careful when saying something like that. Depression is a crippling illness that robs wonderful people of enjoying things the same way other people do, having the energy to do things other people do and can impair their very ability to even assess that they are suffering to the degree that they are.

    You’re on the right track, but please, don’t make that statement as it is patently false.

    Thank you for all your awesome efforts and for all the other great information contained in this discussion.

  213. Astra

    I love this! Thank you Marie for sharing this with us. I guess that if we eat better, back to basics, we will not be exposed to the many diseases we see today.
    What I can do to make a change in my life is to implement the 3 minute meditation in the morning, I only do not remember what type of medication Dr. Brogan was talking about.

  214. Sherry Kurtz

    Thank you for this episode. I so appreciate this type of information because of the possibility it holds for others struggling with mental health issues. I grew up with a mother who, when I was 5 years old was diagnosed with schizophrenia–she was in and out of hospitals, given different psychotropic drugs and to this day (at age 81) is still ingesting these medications. Her psychiatrist sees her every six months just to refill her scripts–there’s no concern for how she’s handling them, he just adds another anti-anxiety drug or increases the dose. I have been a front and center witness to the lack of care given by a conventional doctor–this poor woman has lived in hell her entire life and I can only hope that when my mother passes, she will finally find the peace she should have found here on earth. May God bless you Kelly for your work.

  215. Alexa Munoz

    Dear Dr Brogan,
    Thank you for sharing you knowledge, I’m happy to listen that -after everything I have been experiencing recently- the steps that I am taking now (changing my diet, meditating and I’ve been reducing my medication so ready to leave it!) will deliver me to a new, better place.
    Thank you Marie for facilitating this interview.
    Much love to both,

  216. Absolutely amazing! So much info crammed into just one piece. Probably the one question I had throughout watching this video was – and how does one change a behaviour? The chemicals and toxins we pouring down our throats every day have one syergetic common outcome: our complete desensitisation. I really want to get into a better shape. I start each day with a meditation, followed by a coffee, followed by some random lunch and end up so tired and cranky around 3pm that I honestly don’t give a darn anymore…. and endup eating for England till bedtime dreaming am inner self talk of how badly I’m coping with things. It often feels like a race to hell. And it’s all based on behaviour. How does one change behaviour? How does one start carrying when depressed?

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Great question, Carmen, and I totally hear you. Changing our habits can be really tough, especially when we’re going through difficult times. We did an amazing episode a while back that talks about some incredibly helpful strategies for implementing changes in our lives and helping them stick, so I thought I might share that for a few helpful tips:

      It’s also so important to be gentle with yourself. I’m definitely someone who is hard on myself too, and I find it helpful to remind myself that it’s all a process – not every day will go perfectly (most won’t actually!), and that’s okay. It’s about gently bringing ourselves back to self-care when we discover we’re a little off track, and being kind to ourselves.

  217. April

    This was really awesome to watch and learn. The health path I have been leaning on has me off dairy and gluten, but I keep hearing to ditch the meat. It was refreshing to hear another option!
    It would be great to find out if she has advice for women entering perimenopause or in menopause. Like…eat soybeans to stop hormone headaches, mood swings and vaginal dryness. I really don’t like the idea of hormone therapy but feel like I am headed that direction!

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Thanks so much for watching, April! I’m not sure if Dr. Brogan has specific resources just for perimenopause/menopause, so I definitely recommend checking out her website to learn more about her work:

      • April

        Thank you:-)

  218. One word: Brilliant!

  219. Interesting interview. I believe a holistic approach to mental health is a sensible, effective one. Like Marie, I remember being in my early twenties and having such a visceral reaction to birth control that I needed to go off them ASAP. I felt like a fully crazy person, I didn’t know who I was. When I got diagnosed with Post-Partum Depression two years ago, I was conflicted about medical treatment. I ended up using medicine during the initial stages as a way to stabilize, but always had a short-term approach in mind. I didn’t want to stay medicated for long. In addition, I also changed my lifestyle to reduce the stress (constant travel with an infant/toddler) that was the biggest trigger of the PPD, and of course, kept with my yoga/meditation practices. As I prepare for the arrival of my second baby, I’m curious about focusing more on my diet/nutrition as ways to heal, recover and survive (prevent a relapse) but conflicted on an ethical and environmental level about having meat be such a large part of the intervention program.

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Thank you so much for watching and sharing your thoughts, Wambui. If you’re curious about Dr. Brogan’s work and learning more, especially if you have questions about incorporating meat (or not!), I might recommend checking out her website for more information:

      Of course Dr. Brogan’s approach is only one solution, so we definitely recommend exploring your options, working with a doctor you trust, and really listening your body and your intuition to make the best decisions to support yourself and your well being!

  220. Izabella Natrins

    I’ve been following Dr Brogan for a few years now. I love her work and frequently share it with clients . However, I could still listen to this utterly inspiring conversation every day for the rest of my life and learn someting new from it. Thank you SO much! 😍

  221. Viktoria Tröster

    Came to the same results (am a PhD biologist) and doing already all tips in some similar way. I will check out this “magic” breakfast recipe now.

  222. Loved this interview. It just makes so much sense when Dr Brown says – ‘just go back to the basics’. Thank you Marie!
    Here is the summary of takeaways, i hope others find useful:
    1) Nutrition – Eat natural foods including meats – going back to the basics
    2) Movement – Low volume, high intensity excercise
    3) Meditation – Dr. Brown’s personal favorite is Kundalini yoga meditation
    4) Gratitude – the antidote to depression and a better goal than chasing ‘happiness’

  223. I’ve been eating “LCHF” (Low Carb High Fat) for almost 12 years, but I often stray from what I should eat because most food out there is packed with bad stuff. Thank’s for the reminder about how good it is to stick to the healthy food!
    Also: I’ve been using a lot of butter, but I will certainly change that to ghee instead – and make sure I skip out on all the dairy products in my diet…

  224. Saskia

    I worry that miss Brogan is at the very least misrepresenting the truth. She has been widely criticized for cherry picking her facts and using small scale, personal stories as “proof” for things that large peer-reviewed scientific studies have disproven so far.

    I worry about her motives and I am more than a little disappointed that Marie Forleo would give this woman a podium without at least limiting the scope of the interview (say to: “great advice on what to do if you are mildly depressed”). Please also research the other side before you buy her book and take it as gospel. The truth is more complex.

    It feels like she is very cleverly using information that makes sense -and has been proven- or information that “feels true” to most of us. She then links this to unfounded claims and starts expanding her claims so wide as to become dangerous. She is sprinkling nuggets of truth to then spread dangerously untrue information about vaccinations, medications, the dangers of food and the incompetence of doctors who work with severely ill patients every day.

    I am all for listening to your body, meditation and eating healthy and I am sure all of these will improve our condition no matter what we may be suffering from.
    But these can surely be combined with medications for people who really need them!
    Taking a medication will not automatically make you opt out of working on the root of the problem. Scientifically speaking we have tons of evidence that for severe mental conditions medications can actually help people work to recover from root causes of depression because they enable them to do the work rather than do nothing but survive or even end their lives. To use her metaphor: medications can often help us to take action on the root cause. They help us jank the glass out of our foot because the tylenol helps dampen the pain while we act and then clean out the wound (maybe add a tetanus shot to avoid unpleasant infections) and let it heal. When that is done you can stop taking them!

    Steering people away from medication, telling them it means you’ll “opt out” of other solutions, claiming that even the most dire mental illnesses can be cured with just exercise, quite extreme diet suggestions and mindfulness seems to me to be dangerous, shaming and adding to the stigma and misunderstanding of truly debilitating mental illness.

    Sure, mental health is a scale, but significantly different things are needed when you are at the dangerous end of the scale than if you are somewhere in the middle and suffering from the kind of depression that has a simple source and/ or is not prolonged or recurring. Scaremongering to drive these people away from doctors that can help them is irresponsible and will cost lives.

    Lastly I am very disturbed by the way open discussion is not invited by sternly warning about the consequences of infavourable comments. I tried my best to word my concerns as part of a respectful dialogue, but I worry that my comment will be deleted because it will be seen as “unkind” and therefore deleted. Thus the effort of putting words to the emotional turmoil that this video has put me in will have been all in vain.

    • Caroline - Team Forleo

      Saskia, thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts and concerns with us. As we shared in the blog post above, we do understand that this topic can be difficult and complex, and because of that we welcome respectful dialogue from all perspectives.

      The reason we featured Dr. Brogan’s work this week is because, as Marie shared, she went through Dr. Brogan’s action plan and found it beneficial personally, and we wanted to share a possibility and perspective with our audience that could make a big difference for some people.

      That of course isn’t to suggest that Dr. Brogan’s approach will work for everyone or that it’s the right solution for every situation. We think one of the biggest takeaways from this episode is the wisdom of trusting our body when it’s sending us signals that it needs self care, and not making it wrong for doing so. For some people, Dr. Brogan’s approach could be exactly the right solution, and for others, it could be something entirely different.

      I did want to mention that the disclaimer regarding comments is only to encourage thoughtful, respectful commentary. Our intent is never to censor anyone, and we would only remove comments if someone were name-calling or behaving cruelly. Scrolling through comments you’ll see some truly beautiful discussions here from people on all sides, and we’ve deeply appreciated all the perspectives shared.